Questions & Mysteries Why did Luffy's fruit become relevant years after he became a famous pirate?

[Paperchampion23]

Alarm bells should have been ringing at Luffy’s first bounty in East Blue among the powers that be in the Gorosei.

Firstly, they should be on the lookout for anyone called D. They run a World Government, they surely have the resources to have an office of CP0 or something just reading newspapers and bounties for a mention of anyone called D.

They were certainly aware of him by the aftermath of Alabasta, because we saw the Gorosei talk about him and say they could not ignore him. Which makes sense because
a) he‘s a D
b) he’s Garp’s grandson
c) he’s wearing a Strawhat.

And finding out his DF is easy. He’s fought hundreds upon hundreds of Marines. Simple interviews about the incidents he’s been involved in going from the lower Marines up should reveal that to them.

Oda has to somehow make the people who have run the majority of the world incompetent for them not to know. I can at least buy the idea that Imu sat in isolation in their castle not bothering about the outside world unless the info is specifically brought to them. But not for the Gorosei to be unaware.

Exactly, which means something HAD to have changed between the first 900 chapters of the series and how they are reacting to him now.

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I don’t think the WG knew, but Im did. The Gorosei as far as I know haven’t shown any indication that they know Shirahoshi is Poseidon yet we have the implication that Im might

Idk, if Im did, then its silly why he/she would never actually say to the Gorosei to kill Luffy.

Imo, it's possible Im knows about the fruit, just doesn't know what fruit it was "hidden" under. Maybe Joyboy used only its awakening at the time 800 years ago, thus never showing off "rubber" qualities as we see it now, but whatever it's true power is meant to be (oil, amber, etc. Idk)

 

[Roo]

If he wanted to eat it, he would have done so already, not chill at a bar with it.

Now Ace would be a different matter, it would be a kind thing to do as it would follow his captain's wishes.

He might have just been sitting on it, or Lucky Roux found it for him and just brought it in and Luffy ate it. You could find multiple ways to explain why he didn’t eat it before Luffy

The Ace theory is the selfless one, he went there to make Ace the pirate king but met up with Luffy

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Imo, the WG KNEW the fruit was hidden, including Im, but none of them knew WHICH fruit it was hidden under. I believe this simple fact is something Shanks knew and told them. Thereby connecting Luffy's fruit with their knowledge of this hidden fruit.

That's all. WsW being imprisoned for this could have just been because the WG are unreasonable and they'd imprison their employees for that reason alone. They tried to kill CP-9 for failing their duties (arguably for a bigger failure), so WsW getting x amount of years for failing isn't surprising.

But they did say WsW knows some ancient classified information. Now we don't know what exactly he knows but given how the CP-0 spoke of it, it's likely the information about Joy Boy fruit. We can't say if he knows this ancient fruit and GGnM are the same thing.

 

[Paperchampion23]

But they did say WsW knows some ancient classified information. Now we don't know what exactly he knows but given how the CP-0 spoke of it, it's likely the information about Joy Boy fruit. We can't say if he knows this ancient fruit and GGnM are the same thing.

I think that would have been mentioned then. He only talks about the Sun God Nika (which of course might be tied to Joyboy), but I don't think WsW knew anything about the awakened fruit or why the Gum Gum fruit was important. He mainly just heard stories about this person


Imo, none of them actually knew, not until Shanks came in and "spread a rumor" to them, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how this is explained in the end.

Clearly something changed from before Wano to now. That is undeniable

 

[Natalija]

He might have just been sitting on it, or Lucky Roux found it for him and just brought it in and Luffy ate it. You could find multiple ways to explain why he didn’t eat it before Luffy

The Ace theory is the selfless one, he went there to make Ace the pirate king but met up with Luffy

At gunpoint I'd definitely say latter, because there's no reason to stumble upon a super valuable devil fruit and not eat it INSTANTLY. Nothing was keeping Shanks from doing so, it doesn't make sense for that to be the case.

 

[Roo]

Exactly, which means something HAD to have changed between the first 900 chapters of the series and how they are reacting to him now.

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Idk, if Im did, then its silly why he/she would never actually say to the Gorosei to kill Luffy.

Imo, it's possible Im knows about the fruit, just doesn't know what fruit it was "hidden" under. Maybe Joyboy used only its awakening at the time 800 years ago, thus never showing off "rubber" qualities as we see it now, but whatever it's true power is meant to be (oil, amber, etc. Idk)

There’s probably been hundreds of pirates/marines who had the gomu gomu no and none awakened it. I think only when it started to become a possibility Im considered it, but decided against it to not alarm the Gorosei. Leaders withholding information is not new

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

cause oda made it relevant along the way in the story nat.

he was still figuring out a way to defeat kaido(per previous interview) and this is one of the solutions He came up with; it just so happens to be one that leaves question marks as to why his df wasn't made a focal point at the start of the series if it was that important.

 

[Natalija]

Clearly something changed from before Wano to now. That is undeniable

Yes, this is what's puzzling. They went from feeling mildly irritated over a rookie, to "eliminate Straw Hat Luffy" in semi-panic.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I think that would have been mentioned then. He only talks about the Sun God Nika (which of course might be tied to Joyboy), but I don't think WsW knew anything about the awakened fruit or why the Gum Gum fruit was important. He mainly just heard stories about this person

Imo, none of them actually knew, not until Shanks came in and "spread a rumor" to them, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how this is explained in the end.

Clearly something changed from before Wano to now. That is undeniable

They murdered a jail guard just for knowing Nika's story but the CP-0 guys say the information that WW knows is of no concern to the WG because it is old, so it doesn't add up.

Spoiler

 

[Paperchampion23]

He might have just been sitting on it, or Lucky Roux found it for him and just brought it in and Luffy ate it. You could find multiple ways to explain why he didn’t eat it before Luffy

The Ace theory is the selfless one, he went there to make Ace the pirate king but met up with Luffy

I don't even think the Ace theory necessarily means it was "selfless". Either him or Luffy could have just been the same pieces in whatever game he's playing (again, if he's "playing" a game, sure seems like it). It just happened to be Luffy ate it then. Imo, it's better if Shanks were looking for Ace at first but saw Luffy and learned of his name.

Better yet, they stole the fruit on their voyage...why take the fruit off the ship and into the bar lol. Either it was completely on accident, or Shanks was trying to see if he'd eat it (because "destiny").

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There’s probably been hundreds of pirates/marines who had the gomu gomu no and none awakened it. I think only when it started to become a possibility Im considered it, but decided against it to not alarm the Gorosei. Leaders withholding information is not new

But not a D. Clan member lol? One who did everything he did up until Wano?

 

[Roo]

At gunpoint I'd definitely say latter, because there's no reason to stumble upon a super valuable devil fruit and not eat it INSTANTLY. Nothing was keeping Shanks from doing so, it doesn't make sense for that to be the case.

Oda can easily draw a flashback scene of Roux landing in Foosha, going to the bar with the DF and telling shanks to eat it. Meanwhile Shanks is drunk and having a good time and he says “I’ll do it later I heard they taste bad” and Luffy ends up eating it right there lol

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Tbh, I think the reason is much more simple: Oda and his editors just came up with this "brilliant" idea of even Luffy's fecking DF being a kind of "chosen one fruit"/"destiny fruit" very recently and never thought too much about previous inconsistencies with that.

an answer so easy to see yet so hard to swallow

 

[Paperchampion23]

They murdered a jail guard just for knowing Nika's story but the CP-0 guys say the information that WW knows is of no concern to the WG because it is old, so it doesn't add up.

Spoiler

Maybe it was just generic, classified information. WsW has probably outlasted his relevancy in this story unless the last CP-0 member goes to kill him now and speaks about it.

 

[Natalija]

A D. member who ate the Gomu, plus died, I really think those are the conditions for awakening

And that awakening is Joy Boy.

Oda can easily draw a flashback scene of Roux landing in Foosha, going to the bar with the DF and telling shanks to eat it. Meanwhile Shanks is drunk and having a good time and he says “I’ll do it later I heard they taste bad” and Luffy ends up eating it right there lol

I do not think so, but we'll see

 

[IsaziSempi]

i heard somebody say shanks snitched

 

[Roo]

But not a D. Clan member lol? One who did everything he did up until Wano?

Imo Oda could easily write that many have used that DF and have died before awakening, including D members. Even after EL Luffy was considered an annoyance rather than actual threat. The moment Luffy started to amass an army and reputation Im is introduced and shown to be keeping an eye on Luffy

 

[Paperchampion23]

cause oda made it relevant along the way in the story nat.

he was still figuring out a way to defeat kaido(per previous interview) and this is one of the solutions He came up with; it just so happens to be one that leaves question marks as to why his df wasn't made a focal point at the start of the series if it was that important.

Nah this has been very clearly set up at least since the Reverie.

I can tell you that I've been thinking about Shanks talking Luffy in 907 since the chapter happened. The question was about "what" could hey have been talking about in the end.

This is now seemingly answering "about Luffy's DF", if it was about Luffy. Oda's been very coy about not addressing Luffy's awakening. Nobody talked about it, even after Doflamingo and Katakuri. Nobody thought to bring it up.

This has definitely been an idea for Oda for a long time, especially since Joyboy as a character has been around since FI and it's been clear Luffy being friends with the Mermaid Princess, would parallel this person.

 

[Black Lord Sanji]

To answer your first question nat it’s pretty simple lol oda pulled bullshit outta nowhere cuz as you said the world government BEEN knew about luffy and his devil fruit hell we saw the man in 4K hd ultra in marinefold fighting for God sakes and NO ONE talked about the lethality and specialness of his devil fruit then but now all of a sudden we’re given this monologue of how incredible it is and how it’s true nature has been hidden all this time even though there was no single clue about that throughout the story(if there is please let me know).

To answer your second question it’s possible as that could be a possible tie ing however that would question the information system of the world government as how the hell do they not know the importance of such fruit for so long even after them gaining it and hiding it and having to have shanks tell em. I doubt it tbh

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Maybe it was just generic, classified information. WsW has probably outlasted his relevancy in this story unless the last CP-0 member goes to kill him now and speaks about it.

Yeah, I thought it was some generic information too. But it's too hard to not connect the dots after learning Joy Boy fruit thing too is a piece of old classified information that the Gorosei wasn't concerned about until recently. And suddenly, WW being the person to guard GGnM doesn't feel like a coincidence anymore.

P.S. it's also suspicious how quickly the CP-0 understood the gravity of the situation without a more elaborate explanation. It's almost as if they too are fully aware of the situation they're in.

 

[Paperchampion23]

To answer your first question nat it’s pretty simple lol oda pulled bullshit outta nowhere cuz as you said the world government BEEN knew about luffy and his devil fruit hell we saw the man in 4K hd ultra in marinefold fighting for God sakes and NO ONE talked about the lethality and specialness of his devil fruit then but now all of a sudden we’re given this monologue of how incredible it is and how it’s true nature has been hidden all this time even though there was no single clue about that throughout the story(if there is please let me know).

To answer your second question it’s possible as that could be a possible tie ing however that would question the information system kg the world government as how the hell do they not know the importance of such fruit for so long and having to have shanks tell em. I doubt it tbh

Literally easiest answer to your question/criticism and the what 90% of people are talking about if you read the thread:

It's not "out of nowhere" if you believe this scene was about Luffy. Them not knowing about it prior is not the point. It's them not knowing it was Luffy's fruit.