General & Others Why was Doflamingo not an Emperor?

[Red Admiral]

cause he was Kaido's bitch

Yonko haters gave up on making arguments and want to attack us with this low class shits

 

[Finalbeta]

WB has proven he could easily wipe the floor with the current admirals if he was not sick and dying....

But thats whitebeard, not big meme and hostage taker, Kaido

Well Old Whitebeard looked unable to perform the job. The only exception to the rule would be Primebeard or in general a Whitebeard as you say more capable health wise, he was picked as WSM for a reason after all. But I was referring to the present time so Current Yonko yes, since Whitebeard is dead regardless of any feasible debate concerning its potency.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Hotei and Fuku are likely>Diamante and Trebol
That's how big the gap between Yonko and Doflamingo's crew is

 

[Finalbeta]

Hotei and Fuku are likely>Diamante and Trebol
That's how big the gap between Yonko and Doflamingo's crew is

Even Tamago is more potent than Diamante after all.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

To the people who say he isn’t strong enough - an awakened DF that allows you to literally control whoever you want doesn’t sound intimidating to you?? Christ, the motherfucker used STRINGS to slice an entire island to bits, and y’all turn your nose up at that...powerscaling is the anime forum equivalent of brain rot.

Anyway, I think Doffy might have had a better chance of getting recognized as a Yonko if Oda had come up with the Emperors right off the bat. The author has mentioned before that the Shichibukai were intended to be the main antagonists of the series, so regardless of his title, the former Celestial Dragon was always meant to be one of the more important OP villains. If Oda had planned things out a little better, Doflamingo absolutely could have qualified for the position.

 

[Dark Admiral]

I think to qualify as an emperor you should atleast have guts enough to not shit yourself with a mention of having angered another emperor.

 

[dirtyLarry]

Did Yonko even prove to be capable of vanquishing an Admiral however? Even hype wise that much is truly uncertain, and I would dare unlikely.

A half-dead WB, who was clearly way past his prime (he himself said as much, as did Marco & Co.), who just got stabbed, who just had a heart attack and who only had one half of his face left literally toyed with Akainu, when he got serious.

 

[The White Crane]

What did Donquixote family lack to obtain a status of an Emperor?

When Garp talks about the Yonko he describes the way how they rule the 2nd half of the Grand Line, like Emperors.
From what we have seen, what makes an Emperor are first and foremost, a large crew.
Secondly, territories that they rule over or use their name to protect them.
Thirdly, the influence in the seas where they operate.

Let's start with influence. It's certainly an area where Donquixote didnt fall short. Doffy was one of the most influential characters in New World and his operations reached out to Paradise as well. He was seen in Jaya where his underling Bellamy operated and his operations were noted in Sabaody. Ultimately, as Joker, he was the man who ran the Underworld in New World, many countries were depending on his operation. The whole SMILE operation was possible because of him. His influence even reached to the top of the World Government, he blackmailed them into fooling the entire world just for his scheme of fooling Law and SHs.

When it comes to territories, he certainly doesnt lack in that section either, with the whole Dressrosa under his command he fulfills that requirement.
Human auction in Sabaody was also his territory, ran by his influence and connections until he abandoned it. Considering that other Emperors dont have more territories necessarily than their headquarters, this certainly isnt a reason why Doffy isnt an Emperor, especially considering that Luffy was proclaimed as Emperor without a single territory that could be called his HQ. With Vergo and Monet monitoring and protecting Caesar, Punk Hazzard could also be considered his territory.

When it comes to having a large crew, Doffy should check this one as well. His troops counted over 2.000 men, that may be short compared to the number the Emperors command but compared to Shanks or Blackbeard, depending on how many they command, may not be short after all. When it comes to notable members, Doflamingo family probably counts more than RedHair and Blackbeard Pirates who have around 10 notable members. Doflamingo had 4 commanders under him, called Seats. All Seats commanded 3-4 notable members under them, aside from Vergo who was on an undercover operation. There is also Monet whose hierarchy is uncertain.

The most terrifying powers in his organization, especially in Dressrosa setting, were the abilities of 3 characters - Doflamingo's Birdcage which prevents the enemies from escaping as well as cutting off all communications and prevents help from coming in. In such limited space which constantly shrinks, we have the country-wide terraforming ability of the Seat, Pica. While ridiculed by downplayers, we now see that his powers are of more use than all Calamities and Sweet Commanders put together. On top of those two abilities, we have the ultimate trump card, Sugar, with the frightening ability which neutralized many threats in Doflamingo's way.

So, considering that Doflamingo checks off all the requirements that make an Emperor, why wasnt he one of them?
The first objection could be that he himself wasnt individually strong enough. Luffy became an Emperor when he demonstrated proof of strength and his commanding troops became known. Doffy is a strong individual, not on the level of other Emperors but still, he wouldnt be a Warlord if he wasnt incredibly strong himself(Buggy-senchou aside). The number of troops required to defeat the Doflamingo family was comparable to a number of troops currently fighting an Alliance between two Emperors, granted that aside from Big Mom herself and Perorin, nobody else from BMP are there as of now.

What is your opinion regarding why Doffy fell short of Emperor status?

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Many good answers in this thread, mate.

But I think the most viable answer would be either one of these two:

1. He was already where he wanted in life (King of Dressrosa + Immunity from the law), whereas Yonko tend to want something more (evidenced from the fact that Doffy had no Road Poneglyph).

2. He is not strong enough to be an Emperor, which I think is fair to say. He is YC2 or YC3 at best, and his crew sucks compared to any Emperor's crew.

 

[khaimabu]

yes we're seen as seriuos admiral (akainu) could fight agaisnt wb crew and we also marco>=king + queen. Akainu/kizaru or mihawk must could defeat very easy all calamities or sweet commanders

Akainu and Kizaru can destroy them all, but lol Mihawk can't. Never a person equal or a bit stronger than Vista can do that.

 

[dirtyLarry]

To the people who say he isn’t strong enough - an awakened DF that allows you to literally control whoever you want doesn’t sound intimidating to you?? Christ, the motherfucker used STRINGS to slice an entire island to bits, and y’all turn your nose up at that...powerscaling is the anime forum equivalent of brain rot.

Anyway, I think Doffy might have had a better chance of getting recognized as a Yonko if Oda had come up with the Emperors right off the bat. The author has mentioned before that the Shichibukai were intended to be the main antagonists of the series, so regardless of his title, the former Celestial Dragon was always meant to be one of the more important OP villains. If Oda had planned things out a little better, Doflamingo absolutely could have qualified for the position.

He literally stood zero chances against Luffy, once the latter went into G4.
Even Katakuri - a mere YC - had no problems against that version of Luffy.
Again, Kaido said it best (and that was basically Oda speaking to the readers): "You were just too fucking weak, Joker!"

 

[Perun]

To the people who say he isn’t strong enough - an awakened DF that allows you to literally control whoever you want doesn’t sound intimidating to you?? Christ, the motherfucker used STRINGS to slice an entire island to bits, and y’all turn your nose up at that...powerscaling is the anime forum equivalent of brain rot.

Anyway, I think Doffy might have had a better chance of getting recognized as a Yonko if Oda had come up with the Emperors right off the bat. The author has mentioned before that the Shichibukai were intended to be the main antagonists of the series, so regardless of his title, the former Celestial Dragon was always meant to be one of the more important OP villains. If Oda had planned things out a little better, Doflamingo absolutely could have qualified for the position.

Actually it's the other way:
Prior to the beginning of One Piece, Eiichiro Oda, the author of the series, had intended for the manga to be rather short; one that he could wrap up within a handful of volumes. As such, the manga was going to be about Luffy fighting against a bunch of Pirates, known as the Yonko.
However, when Oda started illustrating One Piece, he introduced the Shichibukai and lots of other things that built up the world of the series.

 

[Rekien]

For all we know, the same could be said about the achievements of the Yonko in the past lol. Not everything is accurate

Indeedd, well, buggy is a warlord.

 

[Camie]

Primary one he submitted to Kaidou.

Was about to mention this. He was shook when it came to Kaido. In no way would he attempt to fight against him probably ever. That's pretty weak to be considered as a yonko. His overall crew isnt/wasnt strong enough to combat against a yonko crew either. I dont even think he would have lasted that long against Katakuri

 

[Worst]

So, considering that Doflamingo checks off all the requirements that make an Emperor, why wasnt he one of them?

 

[York]

Cracker tier chump.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Damn, never knew Doflamingo got so much hates.

OT:
- He doesn't have enough influence.
- His strength is not up there.
- His crew is not that strong.
- He doesn't have the similar will/ambition as the other Yonko.
- He shits his pant against Kaido.

The only thing that makes him strong is his potential.

 

[Shishi]

aside from what others have mentioned, Doffy remaining a warlord was both convenient for him and the WG considering he knows the celestial dragon's secrets.

 

[sanjikun]

Some people here fail to realize, that Yonkos don't see each other and are neither enemies/allies of each other. They are neutral. Maybe you could make the argument that their individual strength works as a DETERRENT, but they rarely, if at all see each other.

This notion that Yonkos are constantly engaging in these amazing 1 v. 1 clashes is pure fanfic. And even if they do, we saw that even someone like Jinbe can fight and escape from Big Mom.

Was about to mention this. He was shook when it came to Kaido. In no way would he attempt to fight against him probably ever. That's pretty weak to be considered as a yonko. His overall crew isnt/wasnt strong enough to combat against a yonko crew either. I dont even think he would have lasted that long against Katakuri

Kaido was shook when it came to Big Mom and 1 ship.

WB was the WSS and he didn't dare go against Kaido.

Fighting head on against another Yonko is a recipe for destruction, even if you're a Yonko yourself.

I think to qualify as an emperor you should atleast have guts enough to not shit yourself with a mention of having angered another emperor.

Ok sweet. Kaido is not an Emperor according to you.

2 Yonko fighting one another is assured mutual destruction.

 

[Finalbeta]

A half-dead WB, who was clearly way past his prime (he himself said as much, as did Marco & Co.), who just got stabbed, who just had a heart attack and who only had one half of his face left literally toyed with Akainu, when he got serious.

He never toyed with him, he lost half his head whilst merely inflicting Akainu a small torso injury.

Most importantly, nothing proves Akainu was left incapacitated even for a small timeframe, and his magma could have kept working regardless of his mobility levels either way.

 

[khaimabu]

Some people here fail to realize, that Yonkos don't see each other and are neither enemies/allies of each other. They are neutral. Maybe you could make the argument that their individual strength works as a DETERRENT, but they rarely, if at all see each other.

This notion that Yonkos are constantly engaging in these amazing 1 v. 1 clashes is pure fanfic. And even if they do, we saw that even someone like Jinbe can fight and escape from Big Mom.



Kaido was shook when it came to Big Mom and 1 ship.

WB was the WSS and he didn't dare go against Kaido.

Fighting head on against another Yonko is a recipe for destruction, even if you're a Yonko yourself.



Ok sweet. Kaido is not an Emperor according to you.

2 Yonko fighting one another is assured mutual destruction.

I'm pretty sure Kaido isn't afraid to fight Bigmom. Otherwise he wouldn't ask to untie her.

The reason he doesn't want to meet Bigmom is because she will recall the old debt (The day she gave him the Uo Uo no Mi fruit) and ask him to pay the debt.