Break Week Why ZKK?

Is there a narrative case for ZKK?


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𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
#1
Disclaimer
I'm not really in the right headspace to write another essay right now, so this wouldn't be that.



Introduction
Many people have made the following two accusations:
  1. There is no narrative for ZKK
  2. Zoro fanboys just want ZKK to happen so they can jerk off Zoro

There are many other accusations, but I find these two particularly egregious.

I don't really care if you believe in ZKK or not anymore, but this claim that ZKK lacks any sort of narrative and is just wishful thinking to masturbate to Zoro? That's not just flat out dishonest, I find it offensive on a personal level.

I've spilt a lot of ink to lay out why I thought Zoro would fight Kaido, and also why I thought Zoro Killing Kaido was a plausible answer to "How is Kaido defeated?". Powerscaling/wanking Zoro was never a motivation when I wrote those threads and so acting like that's the only reason people believe in ZKK is just insulting.


I'd like to set the record straight and take this chance to signal boost my essays, because yes, there are narrative reasons to believe in ZKK.



Why Should Zoro Confront Kaido Again?



Why Should Zoro Kill Kaido?
  1. A look at Inherited Will in the Land of Wano
    • An analysis of the Oden's will to slay Kaido and open Wano's borders, passed on to his Scabbards and to Roronoa Zoro through Enma.
  2. The Second Advent
    • "Sword God" Shimotsuki Ryuma, Roronoa Zoro, and "the Second Ryuma".
  3. Long Live ZKK
    • Reasons to still believe in ZKK after chapters 1010 - 1012.
  4. Kaido Must Die
    • The narrative necessity of Kaido's death.
  5. No, Zoro is NOT "Done" After Defeating King
    • Zoro still has more to accomplish in the Wano arc in order to bring his character arc to a truly satisfying conclusion.



Conclusions
It's fine if you don't read the above threads — I'm not even asking you to — but please don't completely ignore them and then act like ZKK has no narrative legs to stand on, or is just fandom wishes to jerk off Zoro. That'll just be disrespectful.

Please tag anyone that you think needs to see this post.





@Afroking
@Artorias
@bblue
@Benn beck
@bennbeckman
@BidaPowersTV
@Bittersteel
@Bogard
@Chocolatemuppet
@Buggy D Clown
@Bullet
@Camie
@Celestial D. Dragon
@Chaves
@Cinera
@comrade
@Constantine
@Crooc
@Cross_Marian
@Cyrus the Cactus
@Dark Hound
@Dark Knight Sanji
@DarkWitch
@Den_Den_Mushi
@Dr. Spook
@dynamight
@Elcadar
@Emperor
@Enma
@Fenaker
@Finalbeta
@Flower
@Fn Lucci
@Foxy Bunny
@Fukki
@Garp the Fist
@Garps tekkai
@Gauntlet
@Gensui Sazid
@Geo
@Gol D. Roger
@Gon’s Missing Arm
@Greenbeard
@Grumpy Zoro
@Guan Yu
@Guymieux
@h_zorothegoat
@HA001
@HAJIKATA
@Hanzo hattori
@haoshoku
@HeroesNZ
@Herrera95
@Himura
@I'mTired
@Ice devil slayer
@IceWitch
@Im_not_Osama_bin_laden
@Jack
@Jackteo
@Jew D. Boy
@JioFreed
@K!NG HARA$H!MA
@KageyamaShoyo
@Kejon
@KenshiraSonata
@KINGKONGGUN15
@KiriNigiri
@Kiwipom
@Kuro Ashi
@kurwa
@Lucas
@Luffy bin Dragon
@Luffy is the mc
@LuffyMazino
@Luslec
@LuthonTheDragDown
@Marco
@Marimo_420
@marimoheado
@MarineHQ62
@MasterD
@matt245
@Midnight Delight
@Mikail
@Monet
@Monkey D Theories
@Monster trio
@MonsterZoro
@Mr. Anderson
@Murilo
@Nidai_Kitetsu
@nik87
@Oblivion
@OmegaPsyche
@Orojackson Refugee
@Parker
@Patryipe
@pedxi
@PerfectHie
@PizzaBread
@playa4321
@princeley
@Punpun
@queen
@RayanOO
@Reborn
@Reddot4
@rednose
@ReggieZoldyck21
@rerere
@Rivaille
@Robin swan
@Roronoa-sama
@Rosella.Fiamingo
@Rukusho
@RyumaZoro
@RZ.119
@Sade
@SaintBellkin
@Sakazuki-Singh
@Sakura no Hiluluk
@Salah WG
@Sanji D Cook
@Sentinel
@Seth
@Shadowlord123
@ShadowStyle369
@ShadyOjiro
@SHIHI
@ShinmenTakezo
@Shiroyru
@ShishioIsBack
@silverfire
@SinOfGreed
@Skiddo
@SmokedOut
@Soleus
@solis
@spawn
@Starbound Beast D. Draig
@stormylife
@style
@Sunita
@Sword God Ryuma
@T.D.A
@Tamerani
@Tenshi No Konan
@ten yaksha blother
@Thabeast
@TheKnightOfTheSea
@Tobi
@Topi Jerami
@Trafalgar_D_Law
@Usopp Haoshoku Haki
@Van
@Veljko
@Vonal
@WillOfMyD
@Winsmoke Sanji
@worst pirate
@Xione
@Xlaw
@yj
@Yo Tan Wa
@yorosenpai
@Yukihime
@yunzabit heights
@Zenos7
@ZenZu
@Zoro
@Zoro D Goat
@ZoroIsOverrated
@zorojurou
@ZoroSlaysDragonTuna
@Zowo
@AdmiralKinyagi
@Jailer
@Arrow
 
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#10
Disclaimer
I'm not really in the right headspace to write another essay right now, so this wouldn't be that.



Introduction
Many people have made the following two accusations:
  1. There is no narrative for ZKK
  2. Zoro fanboys just want ZKK to happen so they can jerk off Zoro

There are many other accusations, but I find these two particularly egregious.

I don't really care if you believe in ZKK or not anymore, but this claim that ZKK lacks any sort of narrative and is just wishful thinking to masturbate to Zoro? That's not just flat out dishonest, I find it offensive on a personal level.

I've spilt a lot of ink to lay out why I thought Zoro would fight Kaido, and also why I thought Zoro Killing Kaido was a plausible answer to "How is Kaido defeated?". Powerscaling/wanking Zoro was never a motivation when I wrote those threads and so acting like that's the only reason people believe in ZKK is just insulting.


I'd like to set the record straight and take this chance to signal boost my essays, because yes, there are narrative reasons to believe in ZKK.



Why Should Zoro Confront Kaido Again?



Why Should Zoro Kill Kaido?
  1. A look at Inherited Will in the Land of Wano
    • An analysis of the Oden's will to slay Kaido and open Wano's borders, passed on to his Scabbards and to Roronoa Zoro through Enma.
  2. The Second Advent
    • "Sword God" Shimotsuki Ryuma, Roronoa Zoro, and "the Second Ryuma".
  3. Long Live ZKK
    • Reasons to still believe in ZKK after chapters 1010 - 1012.
  4. Kaido Must Die
    • The narrative necessity of Kaido's death.
  5. No, Zoro is NOT "Done" After Defeating King
    • Zoro still has more to accomplish in the Wano arc in order to bring his character arc to a truly satisfying conclusion.



Conclusions
It's fine if you don't read the above threads — I'm not even asking you to — but please don't completely ignore them and then act like ZKK has no narrative legs to stand on, or is just fandom wishes to jerk off Zoro.

Please tag anyone that you think needs to see this post.





@Afroking
@Artorias
@bblue
@Benn beck
@bennbeckman
@BidaPowersTV
@Bittersteel
@Bogard
@Chocolatemuppet
@Buggy D Clown
@Bullet
@Camie
@Celestial D. Dragon
@Chaves
@Cinera
@comrade
@Constantine
@Crooc
@Cross_Marian
@Cyrus the Cactus
@Dark Hound
@Dark Knight Sanji
@DarkWitch
@Den_Den_Mushi
@Dr. Spook
@dynamight
@Elcadar
@Emperor
@Enma
@Fenaker
@Finalbeta
@Flower
@Fn Lucci
@Foxy Bunny
@Fukki
@Garp the Fist
@Garps tekkai
@Gauntlet
@Gensui Sazid
@Geo
@Gol D. Roger
@Gon’s Missing Arm
@Greenbeard
@Grumpy Zoro
@Guan Yu
@Guymieux
@h_zorothegoat
@HA001
@HAJIKATA
@Hanzo hattori
@haoshoku
@HeroesNZ
@Herrera95
@Himura
@I'mTired
@Ice devil slayer
@IceWitch
@Im_not_Osama_bin_laden
@Jack
@Jackteo
@Jew D. Boy
@JioFreed
@K!NG HARA$H!MA
@KageyamaShoyo
@Kejon
@KenshiraSonata
@KINGKONGGUN15
@KiriNigiri
@Kiwipom
@Kuro Ashi
@kurwa
@Lucas
@Luffy bin Dragon
@Luffy is the mc
@LuffyMazino
@Luslec
@LuthonTheDragDown
@Marco
@Marimo_420
@marimoheado
@MarineHQ62
@MasterD
@matt245
@Midnight Delight
@Mikail
@Monet
@Monkey D Theories
@Monster trio
@MonsterZoro
@Mr. Anderson
@Murilo
@Nidai_Kitetsu
@nik87
@Oblivion
@OmegaPsyche
@Orojackson Refugee
@Parker
@Patryipe
@pedxi
@PerfectHie
@PizzaBread
@playa4321
@princeley
@Punpun
@queen
@RayanOO
@Reborn
@Reddot4
@rednose
@ReggieZoldyck21
@rerere
@Rivaille
@Robin swan
@Roronoa-sama
@Rosella.Fiamingo
@Rukusho
@RyumaZoro
@RZ.119
@Sade
@SaintBellkin
@Sakazuki-Singh
@Sakura no Hiluluk
@Salah WG
@Sanji D Cook
@Sentinel
@Seth
@Shadowlord123
@ShadowStyle369
@ShadyOjiro
@SHIHI
@ShinmenTakezo
@Shiroyru
@ShishioIsBack
@silverfire
@SinOfGreed
@Skiddo
@SmokedOut
@Soleus
@solis
@spawn
@Starbound Beast D. Draig
@stormylife
@style
@Sunita
@Sword God Ryuma
@T.D.A
@Tamerani
@Tenshi No Konan
@ten yaksha blother
@Thabeast
@TheKnightOfTheSea
@Tobi
@Topi Jerami
@Trafalgar_D_Law
@Usopp Haoshoku Haki
@Van
@Veljko
@Vonal
@WillOfMyD
@Winsmoke Sanji
@worst pirate
@Xione
@Xlaw
@yj
@Yo Tan Wa
@yorosenpai
@Yukihime
@yunzabit heights
@Zenos7
@ZenZu
@Zoro
@Zoro D Goat
@ZoroIsOverrated
@zorojurou
@ZoroSlaysDragonTuna
@Zowo
@AdmiralKinyagi
@Jailer
@Arrow
Have a nice new year, give 6months and we get ZKK :cheers:
 
#18
ZKK makes sense from a narrative point of view. However, given how little Luffy did in the entire arc, how much space Zoro already received in the war, what Zoro has yet to do in Wano (Orochi and Sanji plotlines), and the meaning of Zoro being the one to defeat an emperor, ZKK is dead. Actually it died the moment Zoro, BM, Kid and Law left the roof.

He even scarred Kaido, what would be the point of that scar if Zoro killed him like two hours later? :nicagesmile:
 
#19
To be real the narrative itself makes little sense. That’s primarily why I’ve never taken it seriously in any capacity.

There legit Zero change another character Defeating Kaido besides Luffy. So with that as ur base line, There legit no opportunity for Zoro to Kill Kaido. You’d need to create some weird scenario where Luffy defeats Kaido. only for him to stand back up invalidating Luffy own win. To even give Zoro an opportunity, which plain an simple not happening.

U could argue Zoro sees an wounds Kaido again. But even that not actually needed, as the narrative already put Zoro solidly behind Oden. He’s not meant to remain Kaido of Oden imo. He’s only recently even become able to comfortably use Oden blade.
 

TheAncientCenturion

King the Blue Fire
#20
the perona vs doffy shit break u bro :cantseeme::cantseeme::cantseeme:
i got VIP because of that tho so imma have to thank you :risitavirus:
Whoever gave you VIP needs to be banned
Zoro the only thing that raises sales.
The zoro chapters in wano outsold it's contemporaries by a shit load.
Luffy is what raises sales and has kept the series going. Zoro plays a good role as the #1 lackey though
 
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