Questions & Mysteries Yonkous are not as strong as people made them out to be?
I disagree mate, oden yelling never come back to wano is not something you tell to someone youre about to kill. But be that as it may, 20 years is a long time, he may have gotten his hype then. You know, before saying that its bullshit, why not wait till we get the full picture?
Then ill happily join you.
Then ill happily join you.
Emperors
- S tier. Shanks, post ts Teach, Newgate, Big Mom, Kaido. One on one they pretty much only seem able to lose to each other... they have massive physical and character weaknesses that actually get exploited just so that challenging them makes sense in story, but they still don't lose.
- several A tier commanders each. Base Luffy is stronger than most underlings and Gear 4 makes for a legit new world fighter, but base couldn't beat Cracker and Gear 4 had help to win that one. The guys who can scrap with admirals, moderate the world's toughest prison, boast undefeated streaks, etc.
- new world allies to bushwhack the shit out of you before you even see the bosses
- waves, thousands of advanced fodder. People good enough to wreck East blue or take high numbers in an outfit like Baroque Works. A strong pirate will wear out just trying to cut their way through.
Oda has pretty sufficiently fleshed out the Yonko class IMO. We're going to see them lose because that's what the plot requires, but there's no reason to believe that an alliance between two out of four isn't the greatest power in the world.
- S tier. Shanks, post ts Teach, Newgate, Big Mom, Kaido. One on one they pretty much only seem able to lose to each other... they have massive physical and character weaknesses that actually get exploited just so that challenging them makes sense in story, but they still don't lose.
- several A tier commanders each. Base Luffy is stronger than most underlings and Gear 4 makes for a legit new world fighter, but base couldn't beat Cracker and Gear 4 had help to win that one. The guys who can scrap with admirals, moderate the world's toughest prison, boast undefeated streaks, etc.
- new world allies to bushwhack the shit out of you before you even see the bosses
- waves, thousands of advanced fodder. People good enough to wreck East blue or take high numbers in an outfit like Baroque Works. A strong pirate will wear out just trying to cut their way through.
Oda has pretty sufficiently fleshed out the Yonko class IMO. We're going to see them lose because that's what the plot requires, but there's no reason to believe that an alliance between two out of four isn't the greatest power in the world.
The admirals aren't stronger than the emperors. That's the point of creating shichibukai system because there are 4 strong people with groups of also strong crewmates that they can't defeat.
Even in their base marineford against 1 emperor's group alone, they even threaten boa and jimbei if they didn't go fight for them. Jimbei didn't and he got imprisoned. Boa also wouldn't if not for luffy.
Even in their base marineford against 1 emperor's group alone, they even threaten boa and jimbei if they didn't go fight for them. Jimbei didn't and he got imprisoned. Boa also wouldn't if not for luffy.
Actually, Akainu defeated Curiel and didn’t stop fighting until an entire separate Yonko and his crew showed up. And even then, Aokiji and Kizaru kept fighting until Sengoku called off lol.
So really it takes far more than a Yonko and 2 Yonko crews to discourage an admiral from fighting lol. Even Doberman wasn’t afraid of Shanks.
So really it takes far more than a Yonko and 2 Yonko crews to discourage an admiral from fighting lol. Even Doberman wasn’t afraid of Shanks.
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or hes like Trebol. a midget in a large lava body
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idk what story people are reading.
Admirals failed day 1 they were introduced.
Aokiji vs SH can be written off as jobbing, ok.
Kizaru vs SH not. they guy was unable to finish the SHs in time until an old fart told him off.
all 3 Admirals (and Shichibukai + VC and and and) were unable to stop a single Yonko crew from reaching their goal.
Ace got freed. the WB succeeded in freeing him. Ace subsequently threw his life away, but that fact remains: the WBP freed him.
the Marines hunkered down in their main fortress and still could not manage to stop the WBP from getting to Ace in time.
not to mention that WB was on life support...
Admirals are top tiers on the lower end. they are the YC of the marines.
Yonko (pirates in general) peak higher.
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idk what story people are reading.
Admirals failed day 1 they were introduced.
Aokiji vs SH can be written off as jobbing, ok.
Kizaru vs SH not. they guy was unable to finish the SHs in time until an old fart told him off.
all 3 Admirals (and Shichibukai + VC and and and) were unable to stop a single Yonko crew from reaching their goal.
Ace got freed. the WB succeeded in freeing him. Ace subsequently threw his life away, but that fact remains: the WBP freed him.
the Marines hunkered down in their main fortress and still could not manage to stop the WBP from getting to Ace in time.
not to mention that WB was on life support...
Admirals are top tiers on the lower end. they are the YC of the marines.
Yonko (pirates in general) peak higher.
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Kinemon wasn't defeated, he got right back up after being hit by surprise. Either you are suggesting that Oda made Dofy afraid of a guy who can't handle someone he was able to beat instantly, or you're possibly misreading the two situations considering what would count as a victory and that Kinemon didn't engage Kaido one on one in the respective conflicts. Which makes more sense?