Break Week ZKK Wasn't a "Baseless" or "Delusional" Theory

[Dragon777]

I said for Oda.
For Oda, Zoro cut a dragon above the capital. It doesn't matter if the dragon is real or made of magma for him.
The Ryuma's adaptation is the arc where he cut a dragon above the capital. Not before or after that, just that thing.

So I am asking you once again, why the adaptation has the title "103 Mercies Dragon Damnation" ?

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Same as the final attack of Zoro ?

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The theory "Zoro killing a dragon" was accurate and real. And for Oda, it was a parallel and it happened, simple as that.

But not for us the fans since no one could have guessed that Oda gonna use a shitty alternative, the real dragon was Kaido and not a dragon made of magma by King ....

Honestly, at this point the real Ryuma adaptation for Zoro was killing the Dragon back in PH.

The two scenes were much more similar down to the type of the "cut" :

 

[Afroking]

ZKK was valid and you can tell Oda played with the idea

Oda just played the fans like a fiddle because he didn't want it to seem like Luffy will defeat the villain of the arc the same way he does in every arc. First Yonko to fall and fans already know Luffy will throw a strong big pinch to end him?
No bueno.

 

[Mr.9000]

Theres so much set up for it to not happen. If Kaido return to Wano, then the Shs will return.

 

[Aknolagon]

It didnt happen for Oda mate, he gave zoro fans a consolation prize because in his mind it didnt happen and was never going to happen.

So you are saying Oda the author made multiples parallels between Zoro and Ryuma. Gave to Zoro the katana Shuusui that cut a dragon above Wano, offered by Ryuma.
Also made King a pteranodon using attacks in dragon form (among all the known and mythical animals) which is an exact replica of Kaido's dragon form against none other than Zoro, by coincidence right ?
Why Kaido also at the end of his fight against Luffy became a flaming dragon ? Since when he was a flaming dragon ??

Those are the proofs that Oda searched an alternative solution to not shit on the MC Luffy's battle and to give a (low class) parallel to Ryuma/Zoro.

Zkk fans' biggest mistake was believing that Oda was capable of doing something unusual.

 

[nik87]

Zkk fans' biggest mistake was believing that Oda is capable to do something unusual.

He did do something unusual, he ended Kaido with a punch, the very thing he said he wouldnt do.

 

[Aknolagon]

He did do something unusual, he ended Kaido with a punch, the very thing he said he wouldnt do.

The more I talk about this, the more it makes me think that Oda became @Punpun and really wanted to bang us

 

[mly90]

He did do something unusual, he ended Kaido with a punch, the very thing he said he wouldnt do.

The arc feels so empty for it imagine all the cheap baits lying manipulation just for this fraud to resort to the same old formula
The biggest achievement for goofy bros in the wano arc was that Zoro did not get pay off for all of his plotlines.

 

[nik87]

The biggest achievement for goofy bros in the wano arc was that Zoro did not get pay off for all of his plotlines.

The author really seems to be that scared of MC2 outshining MC1 and he still cant do anything about Zoro becoming more and more liked.

 

[mly90]

The author really seems to be that scared of MC2 outshining MC1 and he still cant do anything about Zoro becoming more and more liked.

Haven't checked reddit but in twitter where they usually used to worship goofy he is getting called out for being such a parasite. Don't think there has ever been time where he has been more disliked than now

 

[nik87]

Haven't checked reddit but in twitter where they usually used to worship goofy he is getting called out for being such a parasite. Don't think there has ever been time where he has been more disliked than now

I think Oda will cancel the next popularity poll.

 

[mly90]

I think Oda will cancel the next popularity poll.

Last time sanji bros made ultimate sacrifice to get goofy to first place, the question is will they abandon their cook once more to keep marimo in check

 

[garciajulieen]

Well just like any theory that didn't come true, it was fine. Some of the theorists put so much thought and being passionate on it and they deserve to be appreciated for their efforts.

However, the problem was how they reacted against criticism no matter how healthy the critics was. Which was a total turn off for me.

It could have been more enjoyable to discuss if it wasn't overused and if they were mature enough to differentiate on how to respond between healthy criticism and the toxic one, instead of being arrogant and try to bully anything that came against them.

 

[Fujishiro]

So you are saying Oda the author made multiples parallels between Zoro and Ryuma. Gave to Zoro the katana Shuusui that cut a dragon above Wano, offered by Ryuma.
Also made King a pteranodon using attacks in dragon form (among all the known and mythical animals) which is an exact replica of Kaido's dragon form against none other than Zoro, by coincidence right ?
Why Kaido also at the end of his fight against Luffy became a flaming dragon ? Since when he was a flaming dragon ??

Those are the proofs that Oda searched an alternative solution to not shit on the MC Luffy's battle and to give a (low class) parallel to Ryuma/Zoro.

Zkk fans' biggest mistake was believing that Oda was capable of doing something unusual.

I dont think we understand each other, in Odas minda he was going for flaming dragon Kaido so he gave Kings flaming dragon as a compensation for zoro fans. Ergo it didnt happen for Oda.

 

[mly90]

Well just like any theory that didn't come true, it was fine. Some of the theorists put so much thought and being passionate on it and they deserve to be appreciated for their efforts.

However, the problem was how they reacted against criticism no matter how healthy the critics was. Which was a total turn off for me.

It could have been more enjoyable to discuss if it wasn't overused and if they were mature enough to differentiate on how to respond between healthy criticism and the toxic one, instead of being arrogant and try to bully anything that came against them.

Both sides got toxic Lufy fanboys who hated idea Loda for once could go for something more unique and ZKK believers who responded in kind. There were very few who who had any healthy criticism from what i recall

 

[garciajulieen]

There were very few who who had any healthy criticism from what i recall

I was among the very few.

 

[Fujishiro]

joyboy and ryuma are equals

luffy and zoro are equals
.

One is the reincarnation of a guy that will topple the WG and the other was a strong guy defending a single country.

If you would stop with this nonsense bs that Luffy and Zoro are equal then maybe you would enjoy the manga more.

Zoro is relative to Luffy in the sense but they are not equal. Luffy high diffs him.

 

[nik87]

One is the reincarnation of a guy that will topple the WG and the other was a strong guy defending a single country.

If you would stop with this nonsense bs that Luffy and Zoro are equal then maybe you would enjoy the manga more.

Zoro is relative to Luffy in the sense but they are not equal. Luffy high diffs him.

Fuji-chin... You got it all completely wrong...
Joyboy failed to stop WG from destroying his country, Ryuma successfully stopped it from destroying his.
Joyboy are Ryuma are not equal just like the rooftop MVP was nowhere near equal to the 4 spectators.
If you make piece with Zoro > Luffy always and forever, you will really enjoy the manga more.
Otherwise, you will have to go against the most powerful character OP has given birth to.

 

[Fujishiro]

Fuji-chin... You got it all completely wrong...
Joyboy failed to stop WG from destroying his country, Ryuma successfully stopped it from destroying his.
Joyboy are Ryuma are not equal just like the rooftop MVP was nowhere near equal to the 4 spectators.
If you make piece with Zoro > Luffy always and forever, you will really enjoy the manga more.
Otherwise, you will have to go against the most powerful character OP has given birth to.

Joyboy's name was literally removed from history and only found about in a poneglyph, Ryuma's name wasnt worth that level of cover up. Im didnt care about him and thats the truth.

As for the rest of your post I mean no, you need to be the strongest to be the freest man in the seas and thats gonna be Luffy. Zoro is a secondary character in this story, you'd have thought Wano taught you that when all his plot points got dropped and Luffy got the Ryuma nod lmfao.

Your idol Ryuma's achievement was compared to what Luffy currently did btw. Apparently thats what warrants being compared to Ryuma.

And Luffy is gonna go on to do many more things like ''toppling a global tyrannical entity that's been reigning over the world for 800 years''.

 

[Weeman]

Baseless no but delusional definitely yes.

 

[nik87]

Joyboy's name was literally removed from history and only found about in a poneglyph, Ryuma's name wasnt worth that level of cover up. Im didnt care about him and thats the truth.

As for the rest of your post I mean no, you need to be the strongest to be the freest man in the seas and thats gonna be Luffy. Zoro is a secondary character in this story, you'd have thought Wano taught you that when all his plot points got dropped and Luffy got the Ryuma nod lmfao.

Your idol Ryuma's achievement was compared to what Luffy currently did btw. Apparently thats what warrants being compared to Ryuma.

And Luffy is gonna go on to do many more things like ''toppling a global tyrannical entity that's been reigning over the world for 800 years''.

Yes because they are different things - Freedom and Power.
WG has put great effort to erase freedom from history.
No need to do that with Power.

How can you read rooftop, see that you were wrong the whole time and then believe in the same thing again?
Wano only reinforced that Zoro is far ahead of Luffy, idk why you would believe the opposite.
Yes, Luffy's deeds will be the greatest ever. However, he will never be stronger than Zoro, at any point in the story.