Future Events Zoro and Roger? The true nature of Zoro's dream
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Regardless if Roger is a swordsman or not
He is dead
and Oda will only focus on Zoro/Mihawk plot for Zoro's WSS.
If Oda doesn't have the balls to settle the argument of Mihawk vs Shanks. Do you honestly think Oda would add Oden, Ryuuma, Roger and many previous dead people onto this list?
are you out of your minds? hahaha
let him settle the Shanks problem first, and then we will think about dead people.
People have been questioning Mihawk legitimacy even without knowing about Oden, and without prime Ryuuma being called "sword god". And without knowing Roger can fight with a sword.
People have questioned Mihawk's level with people of this era, people like Shanks, and Fujitora.
Let Oda settle the debate with those current two people who are still alive, and I am content and happy LOL
He is dead
and Oda will only focus on Zoro/Mihawk plot for Zoro's WSS.
If Oda doesn't have the balls to settle the argument of Mihawk vs Shanks. Do you honestly think Oda would add Oden, Ryuuma, Roger and many previous dead people onto this list?
are you out of your minds? hahaha
let him settle the Shanks problem first, and then we will think about dead people.
People have been questioning Mihawk legitimacy even without knowing about Oden, and without prime Ryuuma being called "sword god". And without knowing Roger can fight with a sword.
People have questioned Mihawk's level with people of this era, people like Shanks, and Fujitora.
Let Oda settle the debate with those current two people who are still alive, and I am content and happy LOL
I was on board with Oda thinking that everyone using a sword as a main weapon was a swordsman, but i seriously doubt Oda considers Roger as one, or at least not one that fall under the WSS title. I think he just wanted to mimic Roger as a real pirate and the clash was entirely pure haki blast from each other with Whitebeard also using a bisento, but with Oda emphasizing how neither weapon were touching each other
That plus the fact that we know Whitebeard has a powerful devil fruit(strongest paramecia), and thus it's feasible to imagine that Roger may have another powerful power to match that. If they are already evenly matched in a pure weapon/haki blast(COA/COC), then Whitebeard's gura destructive power would overwhelm Roger if it wasn't the case, and thus leads to the possibility that Oda just wanted to portray an equal clash without showing Roger's full power yet
I don't know if it's the gun, if it's a devil fruit, but the possibility exist, and thus while he may appear to use a sword right now, i don't understand why it's hard for people to understand that he may be more than just a swordsman
And this aside, there is build-up to take into consideration as well. Ever since the beginning of the story, Oda always portrayed Luffy's path different to Zoro's one. Zoro wanted to be the WSS and aimed for Mihawk, but when Luffy told him he'd become Pirate King, he was shocked, suggesting he knew what it meant, but never aimed for that because his goal simply diverged, with Luffy also stating that the WSS needs to stay at the Pirate King's side, so from story standpoint, Oda was already drawing the parallel with the right hand man of the pirate king being WSS worthy, while the Pirate King himself stands above him
Same happened when Mihawk asked Luffy what his goal was, with Mihawk saying that the goal in question was harder to accomplish, but that Luffy/Zoro was an interesting duo he wanted to meet, and yes i know there is more into pirate king than just power, but parallel doesn't lie, which i think was the real significance Oda was trying to draw out there
And for 900 chapters it always stayed the same, with Luffy following Roger's path to become pirate king while Zoro was following swordsman path to reach/surpass Mihawk
Roger was also the first one to discover the existence of the One Piece and labeled as the greatest pirate for this feat, but afterwards it created the greatest age of piracy with the current generation having even much more pirates than before, with the creme of the creme of the worst generation eventually being destinated to reach the top, and Luffy specifically being the one to accomplish something even Roger couldn't do
And thus while it wasn't specifically stated, i expect Oda to do the same with Zoro. He already created parallel with Ryuma who is venered as a god in Wano, but for Oda to accomplish that, he needs to make Zoro's final opponent the strongest obstacle for him in the path of swordsmanship, which i believe Mihawk to be that.
That plus the fact that we know Whitebeard has a powerful devil fruit(strongest paramecia), and thus it's feasible to imagine that Roger may have another powerful power to match that. If they are already evenly matched in a pure weapon/haki blast(COA/COC), then Whitebeard's gura destructive power would overwhelm Roger if it wasn't the case, and thus leads to the possibility that Oda just wanted to portray an equal clash without showing Roger's full power yet
I don't know if it's the gun, if it's a devil fruit, but the possibility exist, and thus while he may appear to use a sword right now, i don't understand why it's hard for people to understand that he may be more than just a swordsman
And this aside, there is build-up to take into consideration as well. Ever since the beginning of the story, Oda always portrayed Luffy's path different to Zoro's one. Zoro wanted to be the WSS and aimed for Mihawk, but when Luffy told him he'd become Pirate King, he was shocked, suggesting he knew what it meant, but never aimed for that because his goal simply diverged, with Luffy also stating that the WSS needs to stay at the Pirate King's side, so from story standpoint, Oda was already drawing the parallel with the right hand man of the pirate king being WSS worthy, while the Pirate King himself stands above him
Same happened when Mihawk asked Luffy what his goal was, with Mihawk saying that the goal in question was harder to accomplish, but that Luffy/Zoro was an interesting duo he wanted to meet, and yes i know there is more into pirate king than just power, but parallel doesn't lie, which i think was the real significance Oda was trying to draw out there
And for 900 chapters it always stayed the same, with Luffy following Roger's path to become pirate king while Zoro was following swordsman path to reach/surpass Mihawk
Roger was also the first one to discover the existence of the One Piece and labeled as the greatest pirate for this feat, but afterwards it created the greatest age of piracy with the current generation having even much more pirates than before, with the creme of the creme of the worst generation eventually being destinated to reach the top, and Luffy specifically being the one to accomplish something even Roger couldn't do
And thus while it wasn't specifically stated, i expect Oda to do the same with Zoro. He already created parallel with Ryuma who is venered as a god in Wano, but for Oda to accomplish that, he needs to make Zoro's final opponent the strongest obstacle for him in the path of swordsmanship, which i believe Mihawk to be that.
Is it possible for Zoro to lose to mihawk and then later Zoro cuts something real big and then the title transfers to Zoro for cutting something real big yet he lost to Mihawk?
If your answer is yes then please provide a panel in the manga that supports this. I need to see a panel that insinuates that Zoro doesn't actually have to beat a swordsman to prove he is the better swordsman and instead he just has to cut the thing the other swordsman couldn't
Note:
I'm not being random for asking for such a panel since we have been following Zoro try and achieve his dream for 1000 chapters so there's no way the rules of how he achieves his dream can just change after 1000 chapters with no foreshadowing.
Explain how this philosophy of being able to cut bigger things plays into everytime Zoro beats a swordsman in the story since like I said, apparently beating another swordsman isn't what proves you are better, it's simply cutting something bigger
If your answer is yes then please provide a panel in the manga that supports this. I need to see a panel that insinuates that Zoro doesn't actually have to beat a swordsman to prove he is the better swordsman and instead he just has to cut the thing the other swordsman couldn't
Note:
I'm not being random for asking for such a panel since we have been following Zoro try and achieve his dream for 1000 chapters so there's no way the rules of how he achieves his dream can just change after 1000 chapters with no foreshadowing.
Explain how this philosophy of being able to cut bigger things plays into everytime Zoro beats a swordsman in the story since like I said, apparently beating another swordsman isn't what proves you are better, it's simply cutting something bigger
I never opposed that totally tho my fellow. At my first paragraph i already said about it.Roger has nothing to do with zoro's ambition currently .but its bec of he is dead already and not bec of his fighting style.its just we are exchanging of ideas on dark clouds. I say it will rain (zoro may surpass), you say no it wont (zoro may not surpass).
And in eos discussions , shounen logic rules the area. "Luffy will be the strongest" "zoro will be the greatest swordsmen ever" are just some examples. These are not guaranteed but its what people expect from a shounen manga. And i think this logic is only connection between zoro and roger through swordmanship. And that is why there is heat on the forum rn ,not only by zoro fans but by opposite side too.
Most important thing is there is something to discuss after long ass time
And in eos discussions , shounen logic rules the area. "Luffy will be the strongest" "zoro will be the greatest swordsmen ever" are just some examples. These are not guaranteed but its what people expect from a shounen manga. And i think this logic is only connection between zoro and roger through swordmanship. And that is why there is heat on the forum rn ,not only by zoro fans but by opposite side too.
Most important thing is there is something to discuss after long ass time
What is Mihawk's power lvl if Zoro defeats an Admiral and a member of Gorosei before fighting Mihawk? 
honestly ... Zoro fandom as of now is BASED on "fan fictions" and "what if"s and "so it means"
cause Mihawk is featless and didn't do much ON SCREEN
so as Zoro himself
all of you guys need damage control until manga gave you any on screen shit
yes in fact Zoro fandom was on denial FOR YEARS that Roger is not a swordsman cause you didn't want to face Roger
but now that Oda proved you wrong , you jumped on defense by saying ... well Zoro > Roger
that's just lame and prove of how empty this wank base is
Zoro can die wishing be above Roger (or Shanks or Xebec for that matter)
and your wank fiction can't change that ...
Zoro fandom just need some medical and mental help ... they are a lost case
but now that Oda proved you wrong , you jumped on defense by saying ... well Zoro > Roger
that's just lame and prove of how empty this wank base is
Zoro can die wishing be above Roger (or Shanks or Xebec for that matter)
and your wank fiction can't change that ...
Zoro fandom just need some medical and mental help ... they are a lost case
Has your brain gone on vacation or how else do you explain what you just wrote?
The only one who lost his shit after the last chapter is you. What happened? No Hakiman Roger, no CoCman Roger?
When has Zoro fandom denied Roger being a swordsman? We didnt want to face Roger? How will we face a dead man?
I have been proven wrong? Regarding what? That Roger is swordsman? Where have I said otherwise?
Saying Zoro>Roger is jumping on defense? I thought it is only common sense if Zoro is supposed to be GOAT.
Empty wank base because we say Zoro>Roger? Where has Oda prohibited Zoro to be above Roger?
Lmao. "I can die wishing Zoro above Roger..." Hilarious, the only one butthurt about it is you.
Nothing stops Zoro being above Roger, Roger is not a limit to anyone's power so good luck to your mental state.
The only one who lost his shit after the last chapter is you. What happened? No Hakiman Roger, no CoCman Roger?
When has Zoro fandom denied Roger being a swordsman? We didnt want to face Roger? How will we face a dead man?
I have been proven wrong? Regarding what? That Roger is swordsman? Where have I said otherwise?
Saying Zoro>Roger is jumping on defense? I thought it is only common sense if Zoro is supposed to be GOAT.
Empty wank base because we say Zoro>Roger? Where has Oda prohibited Zoro to be above Roger?
Lmao. "I can die wishing Zoro above Roger..." Hilarious, the only one butthurt about it is you.
Nothing stops Zoro being above Roger, Roger is not a limit to anyone's power so good luck to your mental state.
Ofcourse it's possible. Lmao am I missing something? Showing better feats is always possible.
Zoro lost to Kuma, guess he can never surpass him unless he defeats him in a fight.
Luffy lost to Magellan, I guess he's disqualified from the title of PK or possibly WSM unless he goes back and defeats him.
Zoro lost to Kuma, guess he can never surpass him unless he defeats him in a fight.
Luffy lost to Magellan, I guess he's disqualified from the title of PK or possibly WSM unless he goes back and defeats him.