Current Events Zoro's Desire to Fight Kaido

Who is Zoro's main opponent in Wanokuni?

  • Kaido

  • King

  • Orochi

  • Mama

  • Queen

  • Jack

  • Someone else (reply in thread)


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Seth

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#62
Finally, an intelligent comment. As you rightly say, Zoro damaging Kaido and his opponent being King are not incompatible. Zoro has not yet mastered Enma and fighting King may be his biggest opportunity to do so.
No.

King is a downgrade. You need to understand this.

Zoro already cut thru Kaido's scales. The most Zoro will grow is in his fight against Kaido.

Zoro wouldn't struggle with King. It would be an easy task and you are not blooming ur Haki in easy fights much.

Haki blooming works like Zenkai boost in OPM. You need high diff or near-death experiences in fights to bloom your Haki.
 

Cinera

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#63
Zoro fights his mandatory opponent. This is the strongest subordinate of the main antagonist. The pattern that Oda normally uses in every major one piece arc to date. King is no exception for me. I see this as a ruse by Oda. This is essentially Enies Lobby all over again where some of the initial matchups were not the final ones for the strawhats.
You are claiming that Zoro's entire character arc in Onigashima โ€” his desire to face Kaido โ€” is a lie? Do you recognise how extraordinary the claim you're making is? If you're going to make such an extraordinary claim, present extraordinary evidence.


Nor do I believe when Zoro wondering how he'd get past King or Queen to get to the rooftop is for naught.
This was resolved already. Marco held off King and Queen for Zoro to make it past them:



Before that, I see Zoro honing his skill vs King. Mastering Enma, fire style vs fire style, ashura reveal, mihawk flashback, coc unlocked(either vs Kaidou on the rooftop very soon, vs King, or at the end of the arc when he strikes Kaidou).
All of this is happening in the battle with Kaido. Zoro has literally been adapting to Enma in the battle against Kaido.


I personally believe that Hiyori is the shadow figure. Coincidentally, Zoro is the only person who has built a relationship with her. I don't think there's a coincidence that Zoro became acquainted with this arc's princess. If Hiyori is in trouble at any point then Zoro will have to deal with it.
Kawamatsu's words suggested the mystery figure was someone impossible. It can't be Hiyori given they know she's alive and saw her not long before the battle.


There are loads of way that Zoro could change matchups now.
All of them require Zoro's entire character arc in Onigashima to be a lie.

On the Live Floor, we see the Strawhat crew rally together:

Luffy declares that he would take on Kaido and the others should handle the rest and watch his back:


The other Strawhats affirm Luffy's order and declare that they'll handle things:


Zoro reaffirms that he just needs to get to the Rooftop and confront Kaido:


Even in a scene where Luffy declares that he shall face Kaido and asks the Strawhats to watch his back, Zoro is singled out to reiterate his intention to fight Kaido.

If Zoro ignores Luffy's order to face Kaido, then he's not leaving the Kaido fight for anything.
 
#64
Luffy Zoro Kidd Law and Killer all attacked and damaged Kaido in ways that can't be compared to other arc Villains.

the closest thing to what's currently going on is Either Skypiea or Dressrossa. And in both cases Luffy was highlighted as the only effective fighter against the main Villain, while in Wano all Five Supernovas on the roof were established as Effective fighters against Kaido even if Luffy was established as being slight above the rest in G4.

Wiper in Skypiea and Law in Dressrossa got close but Wiper's Seastone attack wasn't gonna work the second time and Law's Tramp card was nullified against Doflamingo

The other Arc villains you can compare to is Oars and the Pacifista where in which Luffy didn't 1 on 1 even if he did land the finishing blow. It's delusional to think that Kaido will go down to a One on One
 

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#65
Luffy Zoro Kidd Law and Killer all attacked and damaged Kaido in ways that can't be compared to other arc Villains.

the closest thing to what's currently going on is Either Skypiea or Dressrossa. And in both cases Luffy was highlighted as the only effective fighter against the main Villain, while in Wano all Five Supernovas on the roof were established as Effective fighters against Kaido even if Luffy was established as being slight above the rest in G4.
Lol, this isn't true.

Only Zoro and Luffy were highlighted as effective fighters against Kaido. Luffy was never highlighted as more effective than Zoro either.

In fact, that Killer, Law and Kidd lacked the ability to properly damage Kaido was emphasised:
  • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
  • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":

Meanwhile, Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki dealing significant damage was emphasised upon:
  • Kaido acknowledged that Zoro successfully countered his Tatsumaki:
  • Killer expresses surprise that Zoro cut Kaido:
  • Mama is surprised at Zoro cutting Kaido:
    • This suggests that Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki dealt significant damage, as she made no reaction to several other attacks of the Supernova:
      • She did not comment that Killer's, Law's, Kidd's or Luffy's other attacks (Kong Gun, Kong Rifle, Rhino Schneider) damaged Kaido.
      • Based on Mama's reaction, it should be much more damage than any other attack (with the potential exception of Kong Gatling).
      • The only other attack she commented hurt Kaido was Red Roc.


And I should not need to explain that Hiryuu Kaen's attack potency was on another level entirely:

It was so potent that it terrified Big Mom (a top tier swordsman in her own right, and along with Kaido one of the most durable characters in the series). It compelled Big Mom to warn Kaido to dodge:


Just witnessing Zoro prepare the attack had Kaido shook:


After Kaido successfully dodged the attack, Mama chastised him for greatly underestimating Zoro:


The reaction of Big Mom and Kaido to Zoro's attack is truly extraordinary, because this is the first (and only) time Kaido has dodged an attack during the fight.


If any of the Rooftop 5 has been depicted to have offensive prowess that completely outclasses everyone else, it was Zoro's Hiryuu Kaen.

Hiryuu Kaen legit terrified the two most durable characters in the series.
 
#66
No.

King is a downgrade. You need to understand this.

Zoro already cut thru Kaido's scales. The most Zoro will grow is in his fight against Kaido.

Zoro wouldn't struggle with King. It would be an easy task and you are not blooming ur Haki in easy fights much.

Haki blooming works like Zenkai boost in OPM. You need high diff or near-death experiences in fights to bloom your Haki.
Since when does damaging an enemy put you on the same level as him?

First, Kaido wasn't really fighting, just playing with the SN. And second, now that he's in hybrid form, the SNs are going to fall one after another.

Zoro is going to help Luffy defeat Kaido, but he will not defeat him. Zoro will not defeat any Yonko as he has not defeated any shichibukai.
 

Seth

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#67
Since when does damaging an enemy put you on the same level as him?

First, Kaido wasn't really fighting, just playing with the SN. And second, now that he's in hybrid form, the SNs are going to fall one after another.
Zoro's ap and CoA would demolish King at this point.

Zoro cut thru Kaido's scales which is x10000 better than any feat on fucking King who is YC.

The gap between Yonko and their commanders is like heaven and earth.
 
#68
Zoro's ap and CoA would demolish King at this point.

Zoro cut thru Kaido's scales which is x10000 better than any feat on fucking King who is YC.

The gap between Yonko and their commanders is like heaven and earth.
Just like the gap between Luffy and Zoro is abysmal. The captain is the one who has to defeat the enemy captain.

Zoro is always one step behind Luffy, just like Sanji is one step behind Zoro. In Wano we will see that Luffy is near the Yonko level and Zoro and Sanji at the YC1 and YC2 levels, respectively.
 

Seth

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#74
Zoro beats people who can fly very easily according to you?
Out of context.

Zoro wouldn't struggle with King. It would be an easy task and you are not blooming ur Haki in easy fights much.
Zoro's ap and CoA would demolish King at this point.

Zoro cut thru Kaido's scales which is x10000 better than any feat on fucking King who is YC.
Read better next time.

At this point King is not enemy worth Zoro's time.
 

Seth

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#80
@Seth tell me what exactly Zoro having high AP helped him against Pica?

I mean Zoro couldโ€™ve one shot Pica straight up at anytime same way he could One shot King... And yet he needed help against Pica... Anha?
It's not like Big Mom and Kaido were flying for some time and Zoro still reached Kaido to save Luffy.
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@HA001 Did Zoro have the AP to one shot Pica from the start of the fight?
Yes.
 
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