Future Events The Great Debate - Will Zoro kill Kaido this arc?

[Ice devil slayer]

Magazines hyping that Zoro might fight Kaido this arc

The fact that he has Enma now and he's the only one with Luffy who has something that can injure him

Being the second Ryuma/Ryuma who cut down a dragon

Also he might be the son of Ushimaru who got killed by Kaido/beast pirates

Zoro will obviously be involved in the kaido fight but not alone

 

[nik87]

Never said it’s based on nothing, but people are so focused on the sword that they ignore the man behind it. A sword is useless if you aren’t strong enough.
No, not like Kaido. It doesn’t matter if the sword was used to injure Kaido. Zoro is not strong enough to scratch Kaido, let alone critically damage him. Entering Wano, Luffy was far stronger than Zoro. He hopped in his strongest form and went all out on Kaido and did nothing, and got one-shot for his trouble. Didn’t even lay a scratch on him. Oden was presumably even stronger and only managed to give him that scar.
Zoro is not now, nor will he be at any point in the arc, as strong as Luffy was in that moment. Luffy has to learn beyond-advanced CoA to fight Kaido. Zoro is simply not strong enough to fight him, sword or not. Zoro’s strength matters.

A post that will not age well, I can tell you that now.

 

[OEKaneki]

A post that will not age well, I can tell you that now.

Bro, you think that Zoro will kill Kaido despite the fact that Kaido is Luffy’s enemy, not Zoro, that Zoro’s speed is comparable to Snakeman, and that Zoro was more prepared/stronger than Luffy coming out of the timeskip. You should probably not be talking about things that don’t age well.

 

[nik87]

Bro, you think that Zoro will kill Kaido despite the fact that Kaido is Luffy’s enemy, not Zoro, that Zoro’s speed is comparable to Snakeman, and that Zoro was more prepared/stronger than Luffy coming out of the timeskip. You should probably not be talking about things that don’t age well.

Guessing one of us will end up being right.

 

[L o g i a]

Good point here, but the only time Luffy didn’t fight the arc’s strongest villain was when Zoro (in his first arc and the only other time we got any backstory on him) beat Morgan way back when. A weak comparison, I know, but there is precedent involving the combatant of the Straw Hats playing a bigger part in a villain’s downfall than the captain.

Technically even then they fought Morgan 2v1. There's a chance, but i just can't see Zoro being able to make Kaido even feel an itch - with or without Enma

 

[Geo]

At this point we really can't say there is nothing pointing towards Zoro fighting Kaido.
Previously it was just conjecture but as the arc progressed, there's been lots of hints towards Zoro fighting Kaido. First it was the one piece magazine alluding to Zoro slaying a dragon. Then Hawkins given both Luffy and Zoro same chance of living in a month. Then Luffy learning Ryu and advanced level of Haki where the former has already been performed by Zoro. Then it seems Zoro will suddenly get a sword which waS once used to damage Kaido himself. That is the clearest hint of there being such an encounter.

 

[True God Moe]

Because Sanji is not Zoro, we don't care about him here. And don't put me in the same bracket because I never bashed sanji, I only care about Zoro and Luffy, so lol.
Making some jokes maybe but i am not like you guys who come to every thread related to zoro and talk about dumb things like fainting, yeti cool, nailed, sleeping, fucking, xeno or homophobic comments. But sanji fans like you are different, we didn't forget Oj members! 99% of your post in OJ was about bashing Zoro, little bit ironic coming from you. You have 8 messages and already half of them about zoro lol. but hey don't talk bad about sanji

He isn't, but doesn't take away Oda how he writes and he always make them have rivalry and equals no matter what others think.

Pretty sure you do join in there. I recognize your name from Orojackson. Don't lie when we are already in new website and forum now. I have posted stuff than just about Zoro if you ever take time to see my other posts on the website except stalk my Zoro posts.

Actually not really deep fan of Sanji. I enjoy them all even Zoro, but not gonna overhype neither to the moon thinking illogical stuff like Zoro stronger than Luffy and can beat Kaido on those I comment against. There is time of fanboyism and time of using canon logic. You guys can't learn to pick one or other and think Zoro is strongest just because he destined to defeat Mihawk one day.

While that is his goal, doesn't mean he act that lvl now. Even as arc continue, doubt he surpassed Oden in trying to hurt Kaido or even trying to engage him at all when plot directions says he wants revenge on Orochi. Just saying how it looks so far and guven his fight performance, he not gonna be able to even try a Yonko at all.

Post automatically merged: Sep 1, 2019

At this point we really can't say there is nothing pointing towards Zoro fighting Kaido.
Previously it was just conjecture but as the arc progressed, there's been lots of hints towards Zoro fighting Kaido. First it was the one piece magazine alluding to Zoro slaying a dragon. Then Hawkins given both Luffy and Zoro same chance of living in a month. Then Luffy learning Ryu and advanced level of Haki where the former has already been performed by Zoro. Then it seems Zoro will suddenly get a sword which waS once used to damage Kaido himself. That is the clearest hint of there being such an encounter.

When can Zoro do Advanced COA? Never seen any of that especially in his foghts so far. Doesn't make sense there.

 

[HA001]

Lol at the guys thinking the future wss aint leaving wano as the strongest swordsman there.

 

[nik87]

Sanji fans want to drag Zoro down as much as possible without realizing that they indirectly hurt Sanji due to another headcanon that Zoro and Sanji are equals while Luffy fans want to keep Zoro as far away from Luffy as possible.
One arc to kill two flies, it is going to be legen-wait.for.it-dary.

 

[HA001]

Sanji fans want to drag Zoro down as much as possible without realizing that they indirectly hurt Sanji due to another headcanon that Zoro and Sanji are equals while Luffy fans want to keep Zoro as far away from Luffy as possible.
One arc to kill two flies, it is going to be legen-wait.for.it-dary.

In a few chapters odas got the haters from hell never fight king to hes fighting king not kaido...

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Zoro will get his Doflamingo/Cracker in the form of Kyoshiro, and then his Katakuri in the form of King.

He'll be Luffy's inferior, but he won't be far behind.

 

[nik87]

In a few chapters odas got the haters from hell never fight king to hes fighting king not kaido...

Yeah, King was never an option. How they change their tunes so fast...

 

[OEKaneki]

At this point we really can't say there is nothing pointing towards Zoro fighting Kaido.
Previously it was just conjecture but as the arc progressed, there's been lots of hints towards Zoro fighting Kaido. First it was the one piece magazine alluding to Zoro slaying a dragon. Then Hawkins given both Luffy and Zoro same chance of living in a month. Then Luffy learning Ryu and advanced level of Haki where the former has already been performed by Zoro. Then it seems Zoro will suddenly get a sword which waS once used to damage Kaido himself. That is the clearest hint of there being such an encounter.

None of that is evidence that he’ll fight Kaido. There’s no evidence that suggested in a magazine cover that Zoro would kill Kaido.

Hawkins predicting their chance of life and it winding up the same isn’t evidence either, it actually makes sense, because if Luffy were to challenge Kaido and lose, Kaido would kill his whole crew with him. Of course Zoro’s chance of survival would be linked to Luffy.

Zoro has never performed advanced CoA.

Zoro simply having a sword isn’t evidence in itself if he isn’t strong enough to do damage to Kaido with it, which he’s not. The sword was held by Oden, and Oden was stronger than Zoro. Zoro is much weaker than Luffy, and Luffy couldn’t lay a single scratch on him. Based on that alone, we can say that there is nothing pointing towards Zoro fighting Kaido and that it’s just conjecture.

He’s nowhere near strong enough.

 

[nik87]

None of that is evidence that he’ll fight Kaido. There’s no evidence that suggested in a magazine cover that Zoro would kill Kaido.

Hawkins predicting their chance of life and it winding up the same isn’t evidence either, it actually makes sense, because if Luffy were to challenge Kaido and lose, Kaido would kill his whole crew with him. Of course Zoro’s chance of survival would be linked to Luffy.

Zoro has never performed advanced CoA.

Zoro simply having a sword isn’t evidence in itself if he isn’t strong enough to do damage to Kaido with it, which he’s not. The sword was held by Oden, and Oden was stronger than Zoro. Zoro is much weaker than Luffy, and Luffy couldn’t lay a single scratch on him. Based on that alone, we can say that there is nothing pointing towards Zoro fighting Kaido and that it’s just conjecture.

He’s nowhere near strong enough.

When will you understand that swords are superior to punches?
Did a punch leave a scar on Kaido or was it a sword?
You are in the quicksand, the more you resist Grandmaster's greatness, the more you will sink. :cheers:

 

[True God Moe]

Sanji fans want to drag Zoro down as much as possible without realizing that they indirectly hurt Sanji due to another headcanon that Zoro and Sanji are equals while Luffy fans want to keep Zoro as far away from Luffy as possible.
One arc to kill two flies, it is going to be legen-wait.for.it-dary.

Same to those who think Zoro is equal and above Luffy when he isn't?

Different with Sanji and Zoro, Oda always show them fighting each other and having moments of competing as well. In this arc they both saved Toko and were only one seriously pissed off after finding how Orochi treated the people and such to take action afterwards. Oda wouldn't write like that if they weren't same lvl.

Just few you guys can't handle the truth as always. Try so hard to put Zoro above everyone despite the character fainting and tying with Killer along with couldn't even beat Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Gyaki who latter is a fox...A Fox....If he can't even beat animal, he not above those who defeated credible opponents. Let alone touching Kaido.

Post automatically merged: Sep 1, 2019

Zoro will get his Doflamingo/Cracker in the form of Kyoshiro, and then his Katakuri in the form of King.

He'll be Luffy's inferior, but he won't be far behind.

He can't handle those 2 back to back. That be too much for him given he couldn't even make Kyoshiro get serious while he was.

 

[OEKaneki]

When will you understand that swords are superior to punches?
Did a punch leave a scar on Kaido or was it a sword?
You are in the quicksand, the more you resist Grandmaster's greatness, the more you will sink. :cheers:

Luffy is going to be the strongest person in the world. He uses his fists. Garp was the strongest marine, able to match Roger. He uses his fist. Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world. He primarily used his fists. Kaido is the strongest creature in the world, uses a club for shits and giggles and will probably end up using his fists. Swords aren’t superior to fists in OP. Good try, though.

 

[Aknolagon]

He isn't, but doesn't take away Oda how he writes and he always make them have rivalry and equals no matter what others think.

Pretty sure you do join in there. I recognize your name from Orojackson. Don't lie when we are already in new website and forum now. I have posted stuff than just about Zoro if you ever take time to see my other posts on the website except stalk my Zoro posts.

Actually not really deep fan of Sanji. I enjoy them all even Zoro, but not gonna overhype neither to the moon thinking illogical stuff like Zoro stronger than Luffy and can beat Kaido on those I comment against. There is time of fanboyism and time of using canon logic. You guys can't learn to pick one or other and think Zoro is strongest just because he destined to defeat Mihawk one day.

Well it's simple, we will see in this forum who is lying and bashing and who is not :)

 

[nik87]

Same to those who think Zoro is equal and above Luffy when he isn't?
Different with Sanji and Zoro, Oda always show them fighting each other and having moments of competing as well. In this arc they both saved Toko and were only one seriously pissed off after finding how Orochi treated the people and such to take action afterwards. Oda wouldn't write like that if they weren't same lvl.
Just few you guys can't handle the truth as always. Try so hard to put Zoro above everyone despite the character fainting and tying with Killer along with couldn't even beat Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Gyaki who latter is a fox...A Fox....If he can't even beat animal, he not above those who defeated credible opponents. Let alone touching Kaido.

You still dont understand that Sanji is completely irrelevant to Zoro's power level. He was never important for it and never will be.
Zoro is aiming for Mihawk, Sanji is not in his field of vision, completely irrelevant character.
Luffy and Zoro both saved Tama this arc.
Killer, Hawkins, Kyoshiro and a fox will be of no help to you when the real fights start. You understand that?

Luffy is going to be the strongest person in the world. He uses his fists. Garp was the strongest marine, able to match Roger. He uses his fist. Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world. He primarily used his fists. Swords aren’t superior to someone’s fists in OP. Good try, though.

LOL, plenty of headcanon. Luffy will never be the strongest, he will never surpass Kaido, no one ever will.
Garp is Hero of Marines, him being strongest among them is headcanon.
Whitebeard combined physical strength with DF and a weapon. Good try tho.
Kaido's one and only scar comes from a sword which will always be superior to a fist.

 

[Geo]

When can Zoro do Advanced COA? Never seen any of that especially in his foghts so far. Doesn't make sense there.

Clearly stated he can use the "former" ..referring to ryuo

Post automatically merged: Sep 1, 2019

None of that is evidence that he’ll fight Kaido. There’s no evidence that suggested in a magazine cover that Zoro would kill Kaido.

Hawkins predicting their chance of life and it winding up the same isn’t evidence either, it actually makes sense, because if Luffy were to challenge Kaido and lose, Kaido would kill his whole crew with him. Of course Zoro’s chance of survival would be linked to Luffy.

Zoro has never performed advanced CoA.

Zoro simply having a sword isn’t evidence in itself if he isn’t strong enough to do damage to Kaido with it, which he’s not. The sword was held by Oden, and Oden was stronger than Zoro. Zoro is much weaker than Luffy, and Luffy couldn’t lay a single scratch on him. Based on that alone, we can say that there is nothing pointing towards Zoro fighting Kaido and that it’s just conjecture.

He’s nowhere near strong enough.

You replied to the post without actually addressing the point of it. Where did I state that those are evidence proving that the fight will happen?
The post is to show that claiming that there is nothing pointing to Zoro fighting Kaido is invalid since there several things (as stated) which point to it.
Unless you are claiming that a sword which is linked to Kaido does not actually serve as a link to Kaido which would make no sense as an argument.

 

[OEKaneki]

LOL, plenty of headcanon. Luffy will never be the strongest, he will never surpass Kaido, no one ever will.
Garp is Hero of Marines, him being strongest among them is headcanon.
Whitebeard combined physical strength with DF and a weapon. Good try tho.
Kaido's one and only scar comes from a sword which will always be superior to a fist.

“Luffy will never be the strongest,” lol ok.

Nobody other than Garp could match Roger, but Garp isn’t the strongest marine? Ok.

Whitebeard fought with his fists primarily, the same as Luffy.

Lol too bad the strongest people all use their fists.

You replied to the post without actually addressing the point of it. Where did I state that those are evidence proving that the fight will happen?
The post is to show that claiming that there is nothing pointing to Zoro fighting Kaido is invalid since there several things (as stated) which point to it.
Unless you are claiming that a sword which is linked to Kaido does not actually serve as a link to Kaido which would make no sense as an argument.

I did address the point. I said that none of those things point to Zoro fighting Kaido, and that saying none of those things point to Zoro fighting Kaido is actually not invalid.

No, I’m claiming that the sword that is linked to Kaido is an irrelevant point and simply doesn’t matter because Zoro is not strong enough to inflict damage on Kaido, with that sword or any other. It’s not the sword that was relevant, it was the man using it. Zoro is not as strong as Oden was when he fight Kaido. Zoro is not near as strong as Luffy now, and Luffy wasn’t able to lay a scratch on him. The sword is irrelevant because of that.