Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion
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In that fight the rules didn't allow him to use a sword, so he had no fucking other choice. Wtf are you talking about? Should he beg for mercy? 
Sanji said what Zoro would be without his swords; SANDBAG.
Read the manga.
Sanji said what Zoro would be without his swords; SANDBAG.
Read the manga.
How weak Zoro becomes isnt the point. Stop deflecting. He can still fight without swords, something you claim disqualifies you from being a swordsman. Answer the question.
Actually it was explicitly stated in a Vivre Card that Mihawk did defeat all of the other WSS candidates. @HA001 or @Light D Lamperouge can cite. If you are referring to Mihawk never defeating Shanks, you’ll just have to come to terms with the fact that Shanks was never a candidate to be the WSS.
For Whitebeard, he was referred to as the strongest since he actually matched Roger on at least 1 and likely multiple occasions, and Roger was the Pirate King so it’s pretty safe to assume he’s the strongest. The Yonko themselves also believe Whitebeard was above them. There’s no definitive proof I’ll grant you but it’s a very safe assumption.
With Kaido, not only does Oda never officially introduce him as the strongest character, but instead refers to him as the “supposed 1v1 King (an inherently different claim than “strongest character”), and spends every chance he gets with Kaido humiliating him in ways that he has never humiliated other top tiers, having Kaido demonstrate laughably worse feats than other top tiers, making directly more impressive claims about Akainu (Akainu can become the PK in less than a year, directly stated by Oda) than Kaido who needs to ally with a whole other Yonko do the same thing, having credible sources like Zoro, Akainu, and Kizaru reference Kaido in ways that they likely would not reference the strongest character, having Sengoku and Kong directly state that Marineford Whitebeard was the strongest pirate after Marineford Whitebeard got baby shaked by every Admiral, etc.
The Oden thing is primarily an example of a 1v1 Kaido would’ve technically received credit for winning without actually earning his victory. That victory would’ve been perceived as a win for him, which automatically brings into question every other win he’s ever achieved.
His win over Luffy was also questionable as he relied on a sneak attack.
This is like saying that you think Claim A is true because you’ve heard it from multiple unqualified sources. The amount of crazy homeless people who tell me the Illuminati exists does not increase the validity of the claim.
Akainu beat Aokiji by the skin of his teeth and wound up brutally wounded in the process. He and Aokiji are literal equals in strength, with no reason to believe Kizaru is beneath them. If Akainu can be above Kaido, so can two dudes equal to Akainu in power lol.
Yeah, see the above. It concerns me that you would believe certain claims just because you start hearing them from multiple unqualified sources lol.
The fact that I already told you above that Akainu is not stronger than Kizaru or Aokiji is a direct refutation to the idea that I would cling to bullshit reasons to stick Akainu over other characters.
Akainu is stronger than Kaido, but not because Akainu may or may not have idiots who believe he is above Kaido.
Well, by your standards, it sounds like the only way Akainu can be confirmed stronger than anyone is if multiple unqualified sources start claiming Akainu is stronger than other characters based on their perception of rumors and what else lol. I don’t know if this will ever happen, and I hope you’ll change your standards of belief soon lol.
Yeah I already hinted at some of the hints above, so I won’t waste much more time lol. I just wanted to make one last point:
For Whitebeard, he was referred to as the strongest since he actually matched Roger on at least 1 and likely multiple occasions, and Roger was the Pirate King so it’s pretty safe to assume he’s the strongest. The Yonko themselves also believe Whitebeard was above them. There’s no definitive proof I’ll grant you but it’s a very safe assumption.
With Kaido, not only does Oda never officially introduce him as the strongest character, but instead refers to him as the “supposed 1v1 King (an inherently different claim than “strongest character”), and spends every chance he gets with Kaido humiliating him in ways that he has never humiliated other top tiers, having Kaido demonstrate laughably worse feats than other top tiers, making directly more impressive claims about Akainu (Akainu can become the PK in less than a year, directly stated by Oda) than Kaido who needs to ally with a whole other Yonko do the same thing, having credible sources like Zoro, Akainu, and Kizaru reference Kaido in ways that they likely would not reference the strongest character, having Sengoku and Kong directly state that Marineford Whitebeard was the strongest pirate after Marineford Whitebeard got baby shaked by every Admiral, etc.
The Oden thing is primarily an example of a 1v1 Kaido would’ve technically received credit for winning without actually earning his victory. That victory would’ve been perceived as a win for him, which automatically brings into question every other win he’s ever achieved.
His win over Luffy was also questionable as he relied on a sneak attack.
This is like saying that you think Claim A is true because you’ve heard it from multiple unqualified sources. The amount of crazy homeless people who tell me the Illuminati exists does not increase the validity of the claim.
Akainu beat Aokiji by the skin of his teeth and wound up brutally wounded in the process. He and Aokiji are literal equals in strength, with no reason to believe Kizaru is beneath them. If Akainu can be above Kaido, so can two dudes equal to Akainu in power lol.
Yeah, see the above. It concerns me that you would believe certain claims just because you start hearing them from multiple unqualified sources lol.
The fact that I already told you above that Akainu is not stronger than Kizaru or Aokiji is a direct refutation to the idea that I would cling to bullshit reasons to stick Akainu over other characters.
Akainu is stronger than Kaido, but not because Akainu may or may not have idiots who believe he is above Kaido.
Well, by your standards, it sounds like the only way Akainu can be confirmed stronger than anyone is if multiple unqualified sources start claiming Akainu is stronger than other characters based on their perception of rumors and what else lol. I don’t know if this will ever happen, and I hope you’ll change your standards of belief soon lol.
Yeah I already hinted at some of the hints above, so I won’t waste much more time lol. I just wanted to make one last point:
Did I say Zoro is not a fighter? Wtf are you talking about? Previous post;
Zoro is both a fighter and a swordsman.
But Sanji believes fighter Zoro without his swords would be a SANDBAG.
Fighter Zoro can still fight without his swords.
You can't be a swordsman without a sword, cut the crap.
Zoro had no other choice in that fight, swords weren't allowed.
Yes ''strong'' when it comes to swordsmanship and being a swordsman only, people can still fight without a sword; such as Luffy and Sanji. And Vista was still equal to Mihawk.
Mastering other aspects improves Zoro as a fighter, his position in the crew is being a fighter;
Just like Luffy improves himself with Haki doesn't make him a swordsman, it makes him a better fighter. The main point between fighter and swordsman is skill , just like Mihawk said grace directly related to a strong sword and strong swordsmanship.
Mastering other aspects improves Zoro as a fighter, his position in the crew is being a fighter;
Just like Luffy improves himself with Haki doesn't make him a swordsman, it makes him a better fighter. The main point between fighter and swordsman is skill , just like Mihawk said grace directly related to a strong sword and strong swordsmanship.
But Sanji believes fighter Zoro without his swords would be a SANDBAG.
Fighter Zoro can still fight without his swords.
You can't be a swordsman without a sword, cut the crap.
Zoro had no other choice in that fight, swords weren't allowed.
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