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Yeah, that's basically what I meant. He did other impressive things, but not really sharpshooting feats.
Lmao did you just use the fact that Ussop talked himself up as an actual argument for his prowess? Ussop who's other unofficial "role" is the liar? Ussop who's design is literally based on Pinocchio because he always lies about how great he is? Wow.
And you're just repeating the same argument after that. Once again, just because Yassop was a good sharpshooter doesn't mean Ussop was, and it wasn't known that Shanks was even a big deal until much later. As far as the pirate king thing, again, we're talking about the arc where he joined. Unless Luffy was the pirate king in east blue, that doesn't hype up Ussops current feats at the time.
Now that I see the picture that shot was even less impressive than I remembered.
I would also say the Shinobu's relationship with Kinemon is far from superficial. I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
He called himself and expert.. The shooter of the future pirate King crew, whos father is on Shanks crew another Yonko..
Also toward Chopper and Carrot, just for your information Shinobu used the same word talking of herself in relation to Kinemon.. It doesn't mean literally little sister.
Also toward Chopper and Carrot, just for your information Shinobu used the same word talking of herself in relation to Kinemon.. It doesn't mean literally little sister.
And you're just repeating the same argument after that. Once again, just because Yassop was a good sharpshooter doesn't mean Ussop was, and it wasn't known that Shanks was even a big deal until much later. As far as the pirate king thing, again, we're talking about the arc where he joined. Unless Luffy was the pirate king in east blue, that doesn't hype up Ussops current feats at the time.
Now that I see the picture that shot was even less impressive than I remembered.
I would also say the Shinobu's relationship with Kinemon is far from superficial. I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
That doesn’t make anything you mentioned canon, bro...I can’t believe this is even a question for you, that’s true of pretty much any manga that gets an anime adaptation. Filling in certain blanks for an episode is vastly, thoroughly different than writing and controlling all aspects of a chapter, and the anime fleshing out fights or other things that the author didn’t feel were important enough to fit into the manga has zero bearing on the story.
EDIT: To be clear, I’d be saying the same shit for anything cool/extra Yamato does or gets in the anime…if it happens on a screen without first happening in a magazine, it’s not real, plain and simple
EDIT: To be clear, I’d be saying the same shit for anything cool/extra Yamato does or gets in the anime…if it happens on a screen without first happening in a magazine, it’s not real, plain and simple
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Yes, it literally does it Canon...
Stop creating a difference between the Anime and the Manga.
First because the Anime KNOWS THE STORY OF OP
Second Because Oda intentionally doesn't write some kind of things and let the work to the anime team
Third Because ODA writes in some circumpstances scripts for some parts of the anime and gives them details.
Like it or not, the anime is canon, and will be canon just if it doesn't contradict the manga.
Stop creating a difference between the Anime and the Manga.
First because the Anime KNOWS THE STORY OF OP
Second Because Oda intentionally doesn't write some kind of things and let the work to the anime team
Third Because ODA writes in some circumpstances scripts for some parts of the anime and gives them details.
Like it or not, the anime is canon, and will be canon just if it doesn't contradict the manga.
That doesn’t make anything you mentioned canon, bro...I can’t believe this is even a question for you, that’s true of pretty much any manga that gets an anime adaptation. Filling in certain blanks for an episode is vastly, thoroughly different than writing and controlling all aspects of a chapter, and the anime fleshing out fights or other things that the author didn’t feel were important enough to fit into the manga has zero bearing on the story.
EDIT: To be clear, I’d be saying the same shit for anything cool/extra Yamato does or gets in the anime…if it happens on a screen without first happening in a magazine, it’s not real, plain and simple
EDIT: To be clear, I’d be saying the same shit for anything cool/extra Yamato does or gets in the anime…if it happens on a screen without first happening in a magazine, it’s not real, plain and simple
How desperate to do you have to be to try and claim the Anime is canon, its not.
Oda has some involvement but not much, usually just telling the staff what powers not to use in filler and stuff use little notes to expand on things namely fights (like you saw up top at Sanji & Pudding Wedding).
The only people who really know what will happen in One Piece are Oda, his editors and the heads of jump like Ken Sasaki, we know people who work on the series like Greg don't know and neither do anime staff or game developers.
Anime has constantly got colors wrong (from clothes, hair, eyes, etc), how they portray clashes (you can look at Luffy vs CC and the final clash of Dressrosa s Luffy blows through Doflamingo while the anime has it be a struggle, missed details, have filler that contradicts canon as with an early filler of Zoro cutting the net contradicts Arabasta.
Anime does what it wants usually, Oda didn't want them to reveal Laugh Tale name in the movie when they asked him about it they did anyway.
Anime isn't canon, always take anime as someones interpretation of the Manga.
You can want Carrot to join that crew thats fine, but using the anime or even shit thats filler from filler arc just reeks of being desperate just cause Carrot hasn't had the best appearance wise this arc and your trying to one up the other side by bring stuff up thats irrelevant.
Be better.
Oda has some involvement but not much, usually just telling the staff what powers not to use in filler and stuff use little notes to expand on things namely fights (like you saw up top at Sanji & Pudding Wedding).
The only people who really know what will happen in One Piece are Oda, his editors and the heads of jump like Ken Sasaki, we know people who work on the series like Greg don't know and neither do anime staff or game developers.
Anime has constantly got colors wrong (from clothes, hair, eyes, etc), how they portray clashes (you can look at Luffy vs CC and the final clash of Dressrosa s Luffy blows through Doflamingo while the anime has it be a struggle, missed details, have filler that contradicts canon as with an early filler of Zoro cutting the net contradicts Arabasta.
Anime does what it wants usually, Oda didn't want them to reveal Laugh Tale name in the movie when they asked him about it they did anyway.
Anime isn't canon, always take anime as someones interpretation of the Manga.
You can want Carrot to join that crew thats fine, but using the anime or even shit thats filler from filler arc just reeks of being desperate just cause Carrot hasn't had the best appearance wise this arc and your trying to one up the other side by bring stuff up thats irrelevant.
Be better.
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Usopp wasn't probably exactly a hell of a sharpshooter initially, for instance Van Auger instead proved to be much more skillful shooting from such a distance and definitely a top one even at that time. Of course Usopp should be able to catch up at least total power level wise, this is the thing about the manga.
That's bad faith, your Carrot bias is showing.. The moment Usopp was introduced is when snipers became relevant, the whole narrative was created for his character that's why he has his matchup against the Blackbeard pirates already locked with Van Augur. I've shown you a great feat for someone who came from the weakest sea east blue. His portrayal alone makes him a shooter prodigy.
Lookout is not something that you get better as you go, its pretty basic task like helmsman, yet Oda made it special with Jinbei. The lookout will need to possess unique abilities that goes beyond the realm of an average lookout position. Unless Carrot eats a devil fruit that's compatible with the description she doesn't fit that role. She doesn't fit a lot of things, one of it being her plain rabbit design..
Oh yeah, Shinobu randomly appeared at the end of Oden's flashback, asking Kinemon if she can join them.. They barely know each other, its ridiculous.. Yet she's her lil sister?
Lookout is not something that you get better as you go, its pretty basic task like helmsman, yet Oda made it special with Jinbei. The lookout will need to possess unique abilities that goes beyond the realm of an average lookout position. Unless Carrot eats a devil fruit that's compatible with the description she doesn't fit that role. She doesn't fit a lot of things, one of it being her plain rabbit design..
Oh yeah, Shinobu randomly appeared at the end of Oden's flashback, asking Kinemon if she can join them.. They barely know each other, its ridiculous.. Yet she's her lil sister?
So your response to me refuting your arguments is that it's "bad faith"? Because that's the weakest argument I've ever seen. At least tell my why my arguments don't work if they're so bad that it's clearly in bad faith and motivated by bias. By the way, I like both characters but I tend to be more biased towards Yamato than Carrot. I hope you will call me out for being bias if I make bad arguments in favor of Yamato later.
To be honest, your arguments here have been and continue to be laughable. You keep talking about things not directly related to Ussop or things that happen long after syrup village. Case in point, how in the actual fuck is Blackbeard relevant to Syrup village? In what way were snipers suddenly relevant starting at Syrup village? And even if they were, how does that make Ussop a prodigy? And how in the hell is hitting a big rock with a cannon at that distance enough of a feat to make Ussop an exceptional sniper?
If you have refutations to my arguments then actually post them instead of making personal jabs and then changing the subject. You didn't actually respond to anything I said, a clear sign that you know you were wrong.
To be honest, your arguments here have been and continue to be laughable. You keep talking about things not directly related to Ussop or things that happen long after syrup village. Case in point, how in the actual fuck is Blackbeard relevant to Syrup village? In what way were snipers suddenly relevant starting at Syrup village? And even if they were, how does that make Ussop a prodigy? And how in the hell is hitting a big rock with a cannon at that distance enough of a feat to make Ussop an exceptional sniper?
If you have refutations to my arguments then actually post them instead of making personal jabs and then changing the subject. You didn't actually respond to anything I said, a clear sign that you know you were wrong.
I will only call you out on your Carrot points because she's a waste of space..
Luffy and Usopp are talking about Yasopp and Luffy is reminiscing Yasopp showing off his shooting skills, that they were exceptional and he'd never seen him miss once..
Usopp's main fighting style is shooting, the first time its emphasized in the series and many times in the arc.
A normal kid from east blue whos shooting a rock from far away in the first try when he hasn't ever touched a canon before. That's exceptional in itself since he's used to shoot with a slingshot. It means he can fire the projectiles of each and any weapons he put his hands on, be it a bow, gun, canon, slingshot, boomerang, you name it and they will reach their target..
Also Usopp knew Shanks was a great pirate because he freaked out hearing about his father sailing on such an incredible ship..
Luffy and Usopp are talking about Yasopp and Luffy is reminiscing Yasopp showing off his shooting skills, that they were exceptional and he'd never seen him miss once..
Usopp's main fighting style is shooting, the first time its emphasized in the series and many times in the arc.
A normal kid from east blue whos shooting a rock from far away in the first try when he hasn't ever touched a canon before. That's exceptional in itself since he's used to shoot with a slingshot. It means he can fire the projectiles of each and any weapons he put his hands on, be it a bow, gun, canon, slingshot, boomerang, you name it and they will reach their target..
Also Usopp knew Shanks was a great pirate because he freaked out hearing about his father sailing on such an incredible ship..
So you will only call out bias when it's toward Carrot. Good to know. Clearly I am the biased one here.
Again you go on about Yassop. Sniping didn't suddenly become relevant because Ussop was a prodigy, they just talked about it because Luffy happened to know Ussops dad who was a sniper.
As far as the cannon shot, this is the first good point you made here. I actually didn't consider the fact that it was his first try. That does seem like a prodigy. It's worth noting, though, that that still didn't happen until after Ussop joined, meaning displaying that he was a prodigy wasn't necessary for him to join.
Again you go on about Yassop. Sniping didn't suddenly become relevant because Ussop was a prodigy, they just talked about it because Luffy happened to know Ussops dad who was a sniper.
As far as the cannon shot, this is the first good point you made here. I actually didn't consider the fact that it was his first try. That does seem like a prodigy. It's worth noting, though, that that still didn't happen until after Ussop joined, meaning displaying that he was a prodigy wasn't necessary for him to join.
Yeah i call out everything Carrot related because on this poll's thread she's the worst character by far lacking severe characterisation, she's only a candidate due to her fans.
After, before, doesn't matter Shooter became relevant in the story the moment of Usopp's appearance
Usopp is as much of a sniper prodigy as Jinbei was black belt in fishman Karate as a kid..
You keep comparing the Shooter position to the Lookout, there are no skills involved for lookout. For it to be exceptional at it you need to scout which means fly or some sort of astral projection or something for it not to be ordinary..
After, before, doesn't matter Shooter became relevant in the story the moment of Usopp's appearance
Usopp is as much of a sniper prodigy as Jinbei was black belt in fishman Karate as a kid..
You keep comparing the Shooter position to the Lookout, there are no skills involved for lookout. For it to be exceptional at it you need to scout which means fly or some sort of astral projection or something for it not to be ordinary..
Carrot fans are always crossing the line. First, hating on Yamato because as a threat for Carrot joining the crew. Now, comparing Carrot to official Straw Hat (Usopp) and think that Usopp is “nothing special”. Please, if we want to compare Carrot & Usopp now, Usopp has CoO. Weak Trio although they are weak, they compensate it with their extreme knowledge & skill of their role. Currently, Carrot has no known extreme knowledge, nor skill to compensate for her dependency on moonlight to fight using Sulong form. It’s been 2 arcs, yet she shows nothing very special neither in knowledge, or fighting abilities (her special fighting abilities is only Sulong and heck every mink has it)
I don't think it requires a devil fruit. It could just be really good vision. Observation Haki could work too but she's never going to surpass Ussop or Sanji at that. It's obviously just not that impressive of a job, so it's not going to be as flashy as some of the others, but to be fair, people are arguing that Yamato should be the chronicler, and that takes even less skill. I think they're in a similar position to be honest.
Edit: I think it's funny that Yamato fans are calling me out for Carrot bias over an argument that started with me posting a giant wall of text about why Yamato has a better chance than Carrot.
@JoSeungHun7335 when did I ever hate on Yamato? The problem with arguing for two characters that are competing in some people's eyes is that everyone assumes I'm arguing against the other. I have never and will never hate on Yamato because I'm a huge Yamato fan. Don't generalize. And I never said Ussop is nothing special I said he was nothing special when he first joined, which I stand by. His shot on Sugar will probably go unrivaled by anyone else in the series, and he will no doubt go down in history as the greatest sniper who ever lived. It doesn't change the fact that he was a pretty unimpressive kid when the story began.
Edit: I think it's funny that Yamato fans are calling me out for Carrot bias over an argument that started with me posting a giant wall of text about why Yamato has a better chance than Carrot.
@JoSeungHun7335 when did I ever hate on Yamato? The problem with arguing for two characters that are competing in some people's eyes is that everyone assumes I'm arguing against the other. I have never and will never hate on Yamato because I'm a huge Yamato fan. Don't generalize. And I never said Ussop is nothing special I said he was nothing special when he first joined, which I stand by. His shot on Sugar will probably go unrivaled by anyone else in the series, and he will no doubt go down in history as the greatest sniper who ever lived. It doesn't change the fact that he was a pretty unimpressive kid when the story began.
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