Future Events Zoro and Roger? The true nature of Zoro's dream

Where will Zoro demonstrate the pinnacle of his strength?

  • Against Mihawk

  • In the Final War

  • Against Shiryu

  • Against the Gorosei

  • A rematch with Ryuma

  • None of the above


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#81
Zoro will be stornger than Mihawk, and Roger, with a sword. Yet guys like Roger don't just have huge coa and coo, like every good swordsman should have, but enormous levels of coc as well and that is were Zoro will fall short.
 
#85
What if both Zoro and Mihawk have CoC? Will they still fall short? Why are they limited by Roger's power?
The problem is that at this point we are rpetty far in the manga and the general rules seem to be settled, then Oda could change anything the next chapter but that is difficult. As I see it we have the "pure" swordsman aka Zoro and Mihawk, mainly, who are supposed to have huge coa, best possible sword mastery (see master Enma or be able to make a black blade) correlated by coo, strength endurance etc but it seems coc is not included. So until Mihawk/Zoro is revelaed to have coc and to use it actively in a sword fight I guess that swordsman don't need/use it in a fight. As a side note Zoro until now has shown a thing similair to CoC but that is not CoC, the fear aura he used on Monet so, imo, if Oda is gonna develop that that will be Zoro's way (it is also the same thing, glare, Kaido gave to Luffy pretty much, a beast thing).
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#86
The problem is that at this point we are rpetty far in the manga and the general rules seem to be settled, then Oda could change anything the next chapter but that is difficult. As I see it we have the "pure" swordsman aka Zoro and Mihawk, mainly, who are supposed to have huge coa, best possible sword mastery (see master Enma or be able to make a black blade) correlated by coo, strength endurance etc but it seems coc is not included. So until Mihawk/Zoro is revelaed to have coc and to use it actively in a sword fight I guess that swordsman don't need/use it in a fight. As a side note Zoro until now has shown a thing similair to CoC but that is not CoC, the fear aura he used on Monet so, imo, if Oda is gonna develop that that will be Zoro's way (it is also the same thing, glare, Kaido gave to Luffy pretty much, a beast thing).
But what about Shanks who has CoC and yet Oda placing him behind Mihawk? Oda never excluded CoC from their fight nor did he establish "pure swordsman", it is us who made that up.
 
#87
You don't need to say Roger died before Zoro's promise or that Roger was never Zoro's goal. The point is ''swordsman'' , what's swordsman? The person who uses swordsmanship as a fighting style. Roger didn't even show a cutting technique, he could do the same with an iron bar. The guy sends a CoC + CoA Haki shocwave which didn't even cut Oden a little bit. Oden as a master swordsman surprised to see Roger's technique and he says ''what the hell was that'', this is not being surprise at the power of Roger's sword technique, this is not knowing what happened when Roger hits Oden. Because it wasn't a sword technique that Oden could understand as a swordsman. Plus, we've seen Roger is using a pistol as well against Shiki.


VIZ didn't have a single translator before Stephen, you can see who makes the mistakes in the volume page who translated it, the early chapters have different translator then the others have different. As far as I see Stephen exaggerates too much sometimes, putting the ''legend'' word out of no where for mihawk when there is no mention of legend, it is a mistake. Plus Garp vs. Roger, the two translations (VIZ + digital color) says nothing about nearly killing each other, while Stephen also translate it as nearly killing each other which looks like a same type of mistake due to exaggerating.
How is the nearly killing each other a mistake ?
 
#89
the WSS plot point is simply not important enough to include characters like Roger and even shanks, and even if Zoro surpasses Roger it won't even be highlighted or mentioned like it would be for luffy, and the reason surely won't be "Zoro need to be the strongest swordsman"

Zoro could surpass Roger if Oda is gonna make luffy much stronger than Roger, and I really doubt that will be the case, but there's no obligation for Zoro to surpass Roger to achieve his dream
 
#91
the WSS plot point is simply not important enough to include characters like Roger and even shanks, and even if Zoro surpasses Roger it won't even be highlighted or mentioned like it would be for luffy, and the reason surely won't be "Zoro need to be the strongest swordsman"

Zoro could surpass Roger if Oda is gonna make luffy much stronger than Roger, and I really doubt that will be the case, but there's no obligation for Zoro to surpass Roger to achieve his dream
Zoro simply wants to beat Mihawk and become the WSS. Zoro surpassing Roger is nonsense.
 
#94
the WSS plot point is simply not important enough to include characters like Roger and even shanks, and even if Zoro surpasses Roger it won't even be highlighted or mentioned like it would be for luffy, and the reason surely won't be "Zoro need to be the strongest swordsman"

Zoro could surpass Roger if Oda is gonna make luffy much stronger than Roger, and I really doubt that will be the case, but there's no obligation for Zoro to surpass Roger to achieve his dream
Zoro is a protagonist so yes the reason will be that. Some of y'all literally forogot Zoro is a protagonist. No matter how much Oda concentrates on Luffy, every Sh is gonna reach their goals and dream, and at EoS, it will be shown. Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks, so Shanks is already involved
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You should know the answer by now.

Luffy>>>Zoro and Roger>>>Mihawk

EoS Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk, but still not on the level of the PK.
EoS Luffy vs EoS Zoro is extreme diff either way, Oda already shown his image of the two fighting in Whiskey Peak
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#95
You should know the answer by now.
Luffy>>>Zoro and Roger>>>Mihawk
EoS Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk, but still not on the level of the PK.
Where has Oda said that what you just wrote?
Where did he establish Luffy>Zoro when the only time he touched that topic it ended in a draw?
Where did Oda say Roger>Mihawk when the two have never been compared so far?

Where has Oda put a limiter on Mihawk's and Zoro's power? Did he say that both cannot be stronger than Roger?
 
#96
Where has Oda said that what you just wrote?
Where did he establish Luffy>Zoro when the only time he touched that topic it ended in a draw?
You know, it really doesn't take a genius to figure out, that Luffy>Zoro. If you think he can defeat Katakuri then you must be out of your mind. Luffy will always be stronger than Zoro and that is a fact you can't change. Stop with that headcanon.
Where did Oda say Roger>Mihawk when the two have never been compared so far?
Roger fought equally against WB many times, while Mihawk wanted to test his strength against old and sick WB at marine ford. His attack was then easily blocked by Jozu. Mihawk would never be able to clash with prime WB like Roger did.
Where has Oda put a limited on Mihawk's and Zoro's power? Did he say that both cannot be stronger than Roger?
Again, Luffy>Zoro and Roger>Mihawk. You have to understand, that Mihawk is not PK level. Zoro will also never reach that said level. There is no ''real'' limit, but fact is, that Zoro will always be weaker than Luffy.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#97
You know, it really doesn't take a genius to figure out, that Luffy>Zoro. If you think he can defeat Katakuri then you must be out of your mind. Luffy will always be stronger than Zoro and that is a fact you can't change. Stop with that headcanon.
Apparently a genius bigger than Oda, because he still hasnt decided on it.
The only time he put the two against each other it ended in a draw. That's the only fact regarding that match-up, everything else is headcanon, just like Katakuri's relevance for Luffy vs Zoro.
Roger fought equally against WB many times, while Mihawk wanted to test his strength against old and sick WB at marine ford. His attack was then easily blocked by Jozu. Mihawk would never be able to clash with prime WB like Roger did.
Easily blocked by man made of diamond. Is WB made of diamond?
How exactly do you know that Mihawk would never be able to clash with prime WB? You dont - headcanon.
Again, Luffy>Zoro and Roger>Mihawk. You have to understand, that Mihawk is not PK level. Zoro will also never reach that said level. There is no ''real'' limit, but fact is, that Zoro will always be weaker than Luffy.
There is no PK level, it is a fabrication of the fandom. Pirate King doesnt represent individual's power lvl.
The only fact here is that when Oda put Luffy against Zoro, he ended it with a draw. Everything else is headcanon.
 
The problem is that at this point we are rpetty far in the manga and the general rules seem to be settled, then Oda could change anything the next chapter but that is difficult. As I see it we have the "pure" swordsman aka Zoro and Mihawk, mainly, who are supposed to have huge coa, best possible sword mastery (see master Enma or be able to make a black blade) correlated by coo, strength endurance etc but it seems coc is not included. So until Mihawk/Zoro is revelaed to have coc and to use it actively in a sword fight I guess that swordsman don't need/use it in a fight. As a side note Zoro until now has shown a thing similair to CoC but that is not CoC, the fear aura he used on Monet so, imo, if Oda is gonna develop that that will be Zoro's way (it is also the same thing, glare, Kaido gave to Luffy pretty much, a beast thing).
So Oden is not a « pure » swordsman ?
 
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