Future Events POLL: Is the Zoro vs King fight good or bad for Zoro

Will Zoro vs King fight be good for Zoro?


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That's ridiculous. There is more reason to believe that Zoro CAN ONLY use Asura while in a critical state, than there is in headcannonland that suggests he can use it whenever, but just chooses not to.

He's used it three times. All three times he was heavily injured. And all three times he was only able to use it for a few seconds at a time.

Now present me the evidence that suggests he can use Asura whenever, and for as long as he wants. And while your at it, explain, logically, why Oda would have Zoro not fight at his absolute strongest while everyone is putting their lives on the line while fighting against two Yonko, and the fate of an entire Nation rests on their shoulders.

Don't give me the hypocritical answer that "Oda just doesn't want to make Zoro look better than Luffy" while yall literally try to argue that.... Oda makes Zoro look better than Luffy. :kriwhat:
You have brought zero evidence or reason to support your claim.

Your mistake is you are trying to use the fact Zoro has never needed to use asura for long or the fact characters normally don't use some of their strongest power until later in battle after they have been injured as evidence that Zoro can't use it when he wishes to us it.

Zoro is the type of person who trains to make sure he can use his techniques anytime he wishes. We saw that after he used BOAT or CoA haki for the first time. Zoro has had two years to work and improve on asura mode.

Zoro wasn't heavy injured after he used asura mode for the first time.


He went on to fight the marines afterwards.


We have seen asura mode 3 times in his battle and against Kaido was the first time Zoro failed to defeat his opponent with it. Of course, he's not going to use it for very long if he normally defeats his opponent with it with one attack.


It's clear to me you haven't been paying attention to the manga you're reading. Oda will limit a character's power for plot. During FMI Luffy wasn't allowed to use G4 even though he was almost killed by Hody using his G2. We saw that type of writing again during Dressrosa where the swordsman weren't even allowed to attempt to cut the birdcage. They all was forced to push it. What type of BS was that? Anybody with any level of intelligence could tell that made absolutely no sense. We had swordsmen who specialize in cutting not even allowed to cut or even attempt to cut it.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
You said a whole lot.... And yet didn't say anything relevant, or substantial. Just a ton of nonsense headcannon, gibberish, like I predicted you would. Kudos..

You going to bring the proof like I asked, or just respond again with a bunch of "Lol, get bodied" garbage as usual?
I am looking forward to seeing what you have to say about Sanji dealing with stronger YC in 15 minutes while Luffy needs 11 hours while having Nami and Seducing Woods helping him. :cheers:
 
I love how you guys have to bring in vivre cards when manga showed feats....
You asked for an answer from Oda she's there. Why do you cry ?
If we don't use VivreCard explain How do you Know Beckmann is close to Shanks ?
You can't.
How many times zoro saved luffy's ass on rooftop??
I don't know. And it's irrelevant. Law saved Zoro. Does that mean
Law>Zoro>Luffy ?
Also if Luffy wasn't punching Kaido during the time everyone was temporarely K'O by BM everyone will be dead.
Who saved luffy from getting eaten?
Your point is Zoro is stronger than a non haki Luffy. Fine I don't care.
If Zoro didn't sacrifice himself they will be all dead.
Sure it's some great feats from Zoro. He's strong.
But stronger than Luffy no.
from busted to pulp after ragnarok KO
If Luffy didn't came back after Ragnarok they will be dead.
So what's your point ?
Luffy legit got huge powerup for CoC coat yet thrown down in sea to die when zoro's not presence ....
Luffy is so strong that you expected him to beat WSC right after learning CoC coating. Not even mastering it.
so Oda gave another powerup VOAT to save his ass with no explanation....
I don't understand How VOAT gave more power to Luffy. Fighting wise.
VOAT was introduce on Sabaody.


-As per your logic Mihawk fought Don krieg Baratie zoro and fodder at MF so he is now vista level coz he is not getting good opponents....
Comparing Mihawk who isn't a SH to Zoro. Makes perfect sense yeah.
Mihawk don't need to progress whereas SH needs to.
So Mihawk can have shitty opponents it's not an issue.
Zoro needs to progress so he needs opponents he can show something against.
A brawler(hand to hand) fighter has to punch harder to be on level of a swordsman... so next time when you tell how 10kaku = Lucci think about that as well...
Good headcannons.
unlike kaku who can use rokushiki and sowrdsmanship to cut buildings down... Lucci was fighting only with rokushiki so obviously
This feat was achieve thanks to Rankyaku and Kaku's DF.
Kaku's swordsmanship was trash.
CP9 members are just good at Rokushiki.
Also stop to diminish Martial arts to just brawling.
It's just retarded AF.
Again Zoro low/midd diff his opponents so it doesn't represent his strength... its like saying shanks below mountain bandit coz he let him run away from luffy or mihawk is baratie zoro coz he low diffs....
Who did Zoro low or mid diff pre-TS ?
Bar from fodders no one.
Shanks never fought against that bandit mountain.
You are desilusionnal. comparing Characters like Shanks and Mihawk who already reached their prime to Zoro is stupid.
Last island of East Blue.... Smoker didn't even know why Pirate hunter is fighting against Marines.... let alone bounty...
Zoro did get his first bounty when he beat Daz Bones. Daz bones who had himself a bounty. So you prove that Zoro need to beat strong a strong guy to get one.
The damage which knocked out luffy cold... zoro wasn't down by it
Great feat doesn't know how it can help you.
In the same arc they set all their hopes on Luffy to beat the villain not Zoro.
Its a waste of time to argue with MC bois coz they always take everything like Naruto where everything was done by MC.... MC will do all the bonding MC do all the fighting MC move all the plot...
Is OP gonna become Naruto??? Considering how Oda trying to pull Sun god Nika and special gum gum properties we might end with naruto.... and when you think about it impacts luffy's character you will realize that's trash direction..
Keep complaining Idc
luffy was never a powerhouse characte
How did you come to that conclusion ?
Even WB recognize him at MF previously he was making fun of him.
Sengoku Akainu and so on... Consider them as a threat. Even Gorosei knows him.
Zoro's record ?
he always emphasized how he needs other else
Except to beat strong people
Luffy never stated to be strongest
Not now but soon he will. Be ready.
One Piece was never about becoming WSM coz then luffy should aim for WB instead of Roger.....
Pinnacle of piracy is to be PK.
Current WSC is looking for the OP not for WSS
 
I love how you guys have to bring in vivre cards when manga showed feats....
How many times zoro saved luffy's ass on rooftop??
Who saved luffy from getting eaten?? Or from getting hakaied or from busted to pulp after ragnarok KO.... Luffy legit got huge powerup for CoC coat yet thrown down in sea to die when zoro's not presence .... so Oda gave another powerup VOAT to save his ass with no explanation....

-As per your logic Mihawk fought Don krieg Baratie zoro and fodder at MF so he is now vista level coz he is not getting good opponents....
-A brawler(hand to hand) fighter has to punch harder to be on level of a swordsman... so next time when you tell how 10kaku = Lucci think about that as well... unlike kaku who can use rokushiki and sowrdsmanship to cut buildings down... Lucci was fighting only with rokushiki so obviously
- Again Zoro low/midd diff his opponents so it doesn't represent his strength... its like saying shanks below mountain bandit coz he let him run away from luffy or mihawk is baratie zoro coz he low diffs....
-Last island of East Blue.... Smoker didn't even know why Pirate hunter is fighting against Marines.... let alone bounty... The damage which knocked out luffy cold... zoro wasn't down by it....

Its a waste of time to argue with MC bois coz they always take everything like Naruto where everything was done by MC.... MC will do all the bonding MC do all the fighting MC move all the plot...
Is OP gonna become Naruto??? Considering how Oda trying to pull Sun god Nika and special gum gum properties we might end with naruto.... and when you think about it impacts luffy's character you will realize that's trash direction... powerlevel dont make a character... luffy was never a powerhouse character he always emphasized how he needs other else he doesn't need Sanji coz he can get YC2 level characters.... Luffy never stated to be strongest... One Piece was never about becoming WSM coz then luffy should aim for WB instead of Roger.....
I am done with fan bois man....
This. :cheers:

How the fuck can some still say Zoro is weaker than Luffy while Luffy got his ass kicked the moment Zoro was removed from the rooftop but was able to act carelessly to attack Kaido while Zoro was safeguarding him, smh.
 
You have brought zero evidence or reason to support your claim.

Your mistake is you are trying to use the fact Zoro has never needed to use asura for long or the fact characters normally don't use some of their strongest power until later in battle after they have been injured as evidence that Zoro can't use it when he wishes to us it.

Zoro is the type of person who trains to make sure he can use his techniques anytime he wishes. We saw that after he used BOAT or CoA haki for the first time. Zoro has had two years to work and improve on asura mode.

Zoro wasn't heavy injured after he used asura mode for the first time.


He went on to fight the marines afterwards.


We have seen asura mode 3 times in his battle and against Kaido was the first time Zoro failed to defeat his opponent with it. Of course, he's not going to use it for very long if he normally defeats his opponent with it with one attack.


It's clear to me you haven't been paying attention to the manga you're reading. Oda will limit a character's power for plot. During FMI Luffy wasn't allowed to use G4 even though he was almost killed by Hody using his G2. We saw that type of writing again during Dressrosa where the swordsman weren't even allowed to attempt to cut the birdcage. They all was forced to push it. What type of BS was that? Anybody with any level of intelligence could tell that made absolutely no sense. We had swordsmen who specialize in cutting not even allowed to cut or even attempt to cut it.
First of all, I did support my argument by pointing out that Zoro has only used Asura three times, and all three times he was heavily injured, and it only lasted a few seconds.

Your counterargument for that is that "He didn't need it for longer" which is absolute BS.

If Asura lasted longer, he could have used it the entire Kaku fight, and not have been on the receiving end of a beating for 20+ minutes while Robins fate was on the line.

If Asura lasted longer, he would have used it the entire time on Sabaody, while the Straw Hats were being ganged up on by multiple Pacifistas, Sentormaru, and an Admiral, and getting utterly decimated.

If Asura lasted longer, he would have used it the entire time they were fighting against two of the strongest characters in the entire series. Not wasting his time with dealing nothing but superficial damage to Kaido.

All the evidence points to Asura being a final attack, and zero evidence points to it being an extended mode that he can use whenever, for however long as he wants.
 
I do like facts. But you present information from 22+ years ago which is around the start of the series. Then you go on saying Oda always said they were equal which is NOT a fact. Those are two very different things. Updated information is always what people go by. Obviously Luffy's progression has significantly changed over the years especially after acquiring his Gears after the enies lobby arc.

This was when Luffy had just started out his journey. Where as Zoro was already a bounty hunter who was already making a name for himself whilst being recruited by Baroque Works. All this before Luffy had even met him.
The last databook to say Zoro and Luffy are equal came out around the war of the best, thats like 11 years ago!
Even after the fights with CP9 yellow databook still said Zoro is the SHP swordsman and has comparable strength to his captain Luffy!

Do you know what a fact is? the data books clearly said Luffy and Zoro are equal but yet you still say this "Then you go on saying Oda always said they were equal which is NOT a fact." just because it goes against your headcannon, jesus my guy come down!
Clearly Oda saw Luffy and Zoro as equal up until end of WCI thats why he said Luffy is now stronger than Zoro, you saying otherwise just proves your own hurt feelings on the matter, and no matter how much you refute it FACTS are FACTS!
 
how is taking down a bum more entertaining than killing Kaido :okay:
Revelation of King’s Past plus interesting to see Zoro Come up with something new to defeat King.
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When did you abandon ZKK? :myman:
The moment Zoro said “Luffy figured something out ,He’ll win” that was when i felt it might not happen afterall.Thought a bit rationally and it didn’t make sense for Zoro to kill kaido after saying those words.
 
Why do you want Zoro to get his ass kicked again so badly? :gokulaugh:

At least now he is fighting someone who he is capable of beating like King. After his brief clash with Kaido it was made clear that even with Zoro's best shot delivered with a bit of CoC boost it would not be enough to do anything significant to Kaido. Beyond scarring him what did it accomplish? Did it slow him down? Did it weaken him at all?

It's as though your expecting Zoro to magically pull out some sort of power he does not yet fully comprehend to try and beat Kaido.
It's not gonna happen this arc.
So who beating Kaido, Luffy looked worse multiple times against kaido so are you "expecting him to magically pull out some sort of power he does not fully comprehend ro veat kaido"?
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All of you pushing that King cant do anything to Zoro would look ẽxtremely dumb when King will deal some major damage to him. No one bar a Yonkou can 1 shot a YC1 without sufferinh some damage. Even current Luffy will take at least a mid điff to defeat King. It will take no less than a High diff for Zoro to defeat King.
So my advice? Stop downplaying King or overrating Zoro and just enjoy a good swordmanship fight between them.
Base luffy didn't do as much damage, zoro pierced the scales twice, luffy got 2 punches, to your 2nd point zoro was stronger than wci luffy, luffy had to fight 2 commanders and train in udon to be ready for Kaido, zoro fought apoo killer Hawkins to get to kaido, those paths are not equal.
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All of you pushing that King cant do anything to Zoro would look ẽxtremely dumb when King will deal some major damage to him. No one bar a Yonkou can 1 shot a YC1 without sufferinh some damage. Even current Luffy will take at least a mid điff to defeat King. It will take no less than a High diff for Zoro to defeat King.
So my advice? Stop downplaying King or overrating Zoro and just enjoy a good swordmanship fight between them.
Base luffy didn't do as much damage, zoro pierced the scales twice, luffy got 2 punches, to your 2nd point zoro was stronger than wci luffy, luffy had to fight 2 commanders and train in udon to be ready for Kaido, zoro fought apoo killer Hawkins to get to kaido, those paths are not equal.
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Exactly.

I never got why people thought he should somehow fight Kaido.

Zoro always fights the #2 of the crew and even Luffy didn't jump from zero to Kaido in the New World. He also had to beat one of the strongest warlords first (Doflamingo), then a Yonkou #2 (Cracker), then a Yonkou #1 (Katakuri) and only then he got to Kaido.

So you're telling me Zoro should just skip all that and go from freakin Pica (lol) straight to Kaido or BM?

Come on ...
He kinda did that brodie, he didn't need to grow as much as luffy did to fight kaido and still looked better
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Please, Zoro used a Hakied up Purgatory Oni Giri on Killer, who wasn't using Haki of his own to defend himself, and the most he could manage was to knock him out. Had Killer defended with Haki, he wouldn't even have gone down like that. That's what you don't seem to get. Yeah, not everyone has a body like Kaido, but Haki exists. Zoro's low end Haki attacks would do absolutely nothing against someone who is proficient in Armament Haki, if his low end Haki attacks can only manage to ko someone not using Haki at all.

Lmao @ Zoro would end Katakuri and Cracker in 15 minutes or less. Show me a single panel of Zoro cutting through the Haki that is on the caliber of either of them two. I won't wait because you can't. And also, show me anything that even remotely suggests Zoro can do anything against Katakuri's future sight. I won't wait on that one either, because you can't. You'll just reply with "Zoro is super fast" like that's supposed to prove anything.
Tatsu Maki pierced his scales so you sure about that?
 
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So who beating Kaido, Luffy looked worse multiple times against kaido so are you "expecting him to magically pull out some sort of power he does not fully comprehend ro veat kaido"?
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Luffy's one of the only people to have actually fought Kaido 1v1 for an extended period of time whilst matching him blow for blow in base form. Nobody else has done this. Zoro lasted for a single attack before getting taken out. Sorry but Zoro doesn't measure up to Luffy. :whitepress:
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The last databook to say Zoro and Luffy are equal came out around the war of the best, thats like 11 years ago!
Even after the fights with CP9 yellow databook still said Zoro is the SHP swordsman and has comparable strength to his captain Luffy!

Do you know what a fact is? the data books clearly said Luffy and Zoro are equal but yet you still say this "Then you go on saying Oda always said they were equal which is NOT a fact." just because it goes against your headcannon, jesus my guy come down!
Clearly Oda saw Luffy and Zoro as equal up until end of WCI thats why he said Luffy is now stronger than Zoro, you saying otherwise just proves your own hurt feelings on the matter, and no matter how much you refute it FACTS are FACTS!
It's not my headcannon m8. It's yours. Emphasis on always.






These are updated versions of the vivre cards. Also the most updated databook you guys are talking about is from 2007. Not 11 years ago.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
It's not my headcannon m8. It's yours. Emphasis on always.






These are updated versions of the vivre cards. Also the most updated databook you guys are talking about is from 2007. Not 11 years ago.
Did we or did we not, explain several times that databooks and vivrecards never said 2nd to captain but equal to captain? :yasu:
I guess some trolls will use wrong translations forever.
 
Not even Marco can take down King.
Zoro is the only one from the alliance other than Luffy that is capable of taking him down 1 on 1.
Whether we like it or not, it is necessary for the plot to proceed this way.

I understand that people want to see ZKK to happen, but Zoro taking down a YC1 that Marco cannot do is hella impressive.
This feat + scarring Kaido is more than enough for Zoro to claim his place as an admiral level contestant.
 
Luffy's one of the only people to have actually fought Kaido 1v1 for an extended period of time whilst matching him blow for blow in base form. Nobody else has done this. Zoro lasted for a single attack before getting taken out. Sorry but Zoro doesn't measure up to Luffy. :whitepress:
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It's not my headcannon m8. It's yours. Emphasis on always.






These are updated versions of the vivre cards. Also the most updated databook you guys are talking about is from 2007. Not 11 years ago.
You forgot that luffy hasn't overpowered Kaido, kaido let him hit him with red roc, and then luffy got the uppercut, but zoro was the only person on the roof to use a move that canceled kaidos attack while simultaneously doing damage (the only roof top 5 member to cut his scales in dragon form) when he did Tatsu Maki, even though asura didn't knock him down it left a permanent scar (again only roof top 5 member to do lasting damage in his hybrid and the only person in the story to do it as well) and it stopped him from attacking luffy as he intended, Luffy catching up tho
 
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