General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Garp the Fist]

actually about Momo being able to protect himself, I still doubt it. Remember that Shinobu stated that he will be an adult outside, but still 8 years old inside. We also haven’t seen Momo’s ability to fight; whether it’s swordsmanship or any fighting style. At this point Momo looks like Shirahoshi, with non/minimum fighting ability but has special power.

Momo’s training has been an ongoing subplot this arc

Whether or not he joins the crew, I’m pretty certain he’ll now be strong enough to at least beat Orochi with Ame. Sure, Orochi’s fodder, but it would still have been beyond kid Momo

 

[Uncle Van]

Momo’s training has been an ongoing subplot this arc

Whether or not he joins the crew, I’m pretty certain he’ll now be strong enough to at least beat Orochi with Ame. Sure, Orochi’s fodder, but it would still have been beyond kid Momo

Perfect symbolism too. Orochi has 8 heads and 7 of them were cut off. First one by Kaido and 6 of them by the Scabbards. Momo cutting off the last one would be good.

 

[Roosta]

If Momonosuke becomes shogun, he cannot permanently join the crew, simply because the ruler of a country can't be the subordinate to a pirate. He could travel with them to Laughtale, but the "Strawhats" take orders from Luffy. I expect the same will apply to Vivi/Alabasta, even if she does end up temporarily returning to the ship after whatever happened at the Reveries.

 

[dizzy2341]

Momo's character runs parallel to his father and is in line with the main themes of the arc.

Oda went to absurd levels to wank Oden as some uber chad who could do anything and everything by himself. He turned down sharing any form of responsibility and took on everything on his own. From the very beginning when he refused to allow Kin emon to share blame for the mountain boar, to refusing to accept help from Roger and WB to deal with Kaido, to his execution when he lifted up those that were supposed to protect him from harm. He did everything alone.

An aspect of Momo's character arc is about him growing to accept the help of others and working with them.

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At first he had the same mentality as his father. Refusing to accept help or pity.

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But then by the end of the arc he'd already grown a bit. He reluctantly accepts Sanji's meal and joins in with the feast.

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Then comes his first big character moment. The forming of the alliance where he finally shouts out his inner most desire.

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Soon after Momo commanded Zunesha to help him defeat Jack.

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Then you have Momo inspiring the Udon prisoners and reigniting their will to fight with him alongside with Luffy.

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When he's captured, Momo has a lapse and feels he needs to do things on his own again and that he doesn't want to be a burden, but Luffy reminds him that since they're friends they'll find a way to help him.

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Then of course you had all the Yamao stuff. Accepting the help of his greatest enemy's daughter and developing a close bond with her.

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And finally we've got him asking Shinobu to help him to age up so that he can then help save Wano, not on his own, but with Luffy at his side.

His whole character journey has literally been about him learning to work with others and develop out of that loner, stand-off nature he originally had. It's therefore absolutely no coincidence that the main goal of the arc is to open Wano's borders.

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Wano's borders need to be opened so that Wano can work with other people and nations. Wano as a country is just like Oden was. Isolated, detached from all external support and just doing its own thing. The borders of the country need to be opened so that the country and the entire world can begin to prepare for their common goal. The battle against the world government.

EoS is closer than you think. For a war that's big enough in scale for the climax of a series like OP, the preparation needs to start early on. The allied nations, tribes etc. all need to come together at some point. But how? The WG is already preparing its next "great cleansing". The allied side needs to also start preparing. It's been mentioned time and time again that Wano is a natural fortress. Again, it's unlikely this is a coincidence. Wano Kuni is built for war.

Momo, as the shogun of Wano, as a Kozuki, as a man with the voice of all things, is the perfect person for the job of reconnecting the ancient world and asking for allied nations' aid. His entire character arc has been building him up to do just that. He's simply too important of a character to just remain in Wano when so much craziness is going on in their world right now. Momo has to leave and the odds are he's once again gonna ask for the aid of his newfound chum Yamao to help him do it.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

While everyone is out here simping for yamato, I feel like people are missing a really obvious candidate for straw hat, that being momonosuke.

Yamato is a 1 note character who was revealed at the end of wano with little to no development and a really annoying gag. There is barely anything she can offer the crew, but people simp for her because she's strong and is a woman(at least biologically).

Momo on the other hand has been with the straw hats since practically the entire post skip, has got mountains of development, and has a serious purpose on the straw hat crew. Momo isn't pretending to be Oden, he's the real deal, with him supposedly looking exactly like him. He is a kozuki, he has the voice of all things, he has some strange connection with zunisha that is so far unexplored, and he's been mentored by the straw hats ever since punk hazard.

Between the two of them, who would actually be better to fulfill Oden's will? Momonosuke or dollar store oden. I think the answer is pretty clear. Since onigashima began, we've been introduced to this plot point of yamato becoming the shogun, something yamato absolutely doesn't want to do. However, yamato has also been set up as Momonosuke's retainer, his equivalent to the scabbards. And as we know, when oden went off with whitebeard and roger, the scabbards ran kuri.

So, if Momonosuke were to follow in his father's footsteps, yamato would run wano for the time being. She'd probably do so alongside Hiyori. This doesn't mean she can't still have her dream of leaving wano. After this arc, wano kuni will open up and the people of wano will have to create diplomatic ties to other nations. Yamato could go to dressrosa and other kingdoms on diplomatic missions. But she won't come with Luffy. As many have pointed out, Yamato spelled backwards is O-Tamay. Her parallel to O-Tama isn't just a fan creation, its something we've seen directly in the manga in chapter 999. Both of them have connections to Ace, and both of them want to leave wano with Luffy. We can almost be assured O-Tama isn't joining the crew, but for some reason people still hold out hope for yamato.

I think its also worth noting that her mythical zoan is the guardian diety of wano and that as such it makes the most sense for her to stay and protect wano.

But as for momonosuke, imo the parallels between him and Oden are simply too strong for him to just ignore his destiny and sit in wano until the EoS. Oden is dead and his journal speaks about the magical adventure he had with roger, which ultimately culminated with him finding the one piece. It just doesn't make sense to me why Momo wouldn't go that final mile to see what was so special about one piece. Now he's more than strong enough, as his dragon is nearly as big as kaido's. Finally, his role on the crew. Unlike Yamato, he has a clear, tangible role on the crew. He would be Luffy/Zoro's apprentice. We had Buggy and Shanks on the Roger crew, Marco and Blackbeard on the Whitebeard crew, Kaido on the Rocks crew. If all of these crews had apprentices on them, shouldn't Luffy also have an apprentice? Wouldn't Momonosuke be best suited for that role?

A front fighter woman with a unique DF when all the strongest crew in the world has a mythical type fruit, with a unique Weapon Kannabo with ties him to Kaidou(her been son of the strongest creature in the world) has a inspirational legend.

Zoro=Ryuuma.
Sanji=Jeff.
Luffy=Roger.
Jimbei=Fisher tiger.
Robin=Saul.
Franky=Tom.
Nami=Bellemere.
Usopp=Yasopp.
Chopper=Doctor Hiluluk.
Brook=Crocus.

 

[Rootbeer]

After 17 chapters, Welcome back to 2 Panel Carrot of the Wandaland pirates


Wonderland in japanese is written Wandaa rando, basicly Wanda Land.. Carrot will realise that her true Wonderland is with Wanda, her WandaLand like the Tontattas who worship Usopp and called their ship the Usoland, Wanda and Carrot are going to join grand fleet and sail on the Wandaland-Wonderland ship collecting the remaining poneglyphs in a cover story..


Carrot's time to shine has finally come, she will suddenly become a main character and get focused at least 3 chapters in a row

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DENIED

 

[Sigran101]

And just like that, my remaining belief in Carrot is gone. Neko is about to curb stomp Peros. He doesn't need Carrot's help. And anyone who genuinly believes that Carrot can contribute in a fight against Kaido is a fucking idiot. Honestly I think the character got robbed. Oda clearly intended to do something with Carrot, but he seems to have changed his mind and replaced her with Yamato (at least based off the design). As much as I stan Yamato, I also wanted Carrot to join the crew, and I'm dissapointed at the direction Oda went with her.

 

[Rootbeer]

And just like that, my remaining belief in Carrot is gone. Neko is about to curb stomp Peros. He doesn't need Carrot's help. And anyone who genuinly believes that Carrot can contribute in a fight against Kaido is a fucking idiot. Honestly I think the character got robbed. Oda clearly intended to do something with Carrot, but he seems to have changed his mind and replaced her with Yamato (at least based off the design). As much as I stan Yamato, I also wanted Carrot to join the crew, and I'm dissapointed at the direction Oda went with her.

That's Good let it rest.

Edit : don't forget to change your vote

I think the character got robbed. Oda clearly intended to do something with Carrot, but he seems to have changed his mind

I also believe that.. He set up some things and decided to move her aside..

 

[Un-amed]

Momo simply can decide to rule Wano along with Hiyori, Scabbards, and Minks, and order Yamato to be Wano’s representative to set sail with SHs.

Definitely that's going to happen at this point...
Is actually the only role she could have, Kozukis reoresentant...

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Here’s hoping dizzy doesn’t delete his account when he runs and hides after Wano and leaves all these posts up for us to enjoy, would be an absolute shame if his tens of thousands of words about Car-uhh, excuse me, Momo, the character he’s supported and defended above all others since the very beginning, totally went to waste and left no impact on anyone here

 

[Sigran101]

Definitely that's going to happen at this point...
Is actually the only role she could have, Kozukis reoresentant...

I truly don't understand this. Yamato does not take orders from Momo and she is not affiliated with the Kozuki. She's her own person, and she's already made the descision to leave Wano with Luffy. Yes she said she'd die for Momo, but she also said she's going to sea with Luffy. Luffy is the one she chose to follow. The bond with momo does not supercede that now that she's declared that she hasn't changed her mind after meeting him.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

I truly don't understand this. Yamato does not take orders from Momo and she is not affiliated with the Kozuki. She's her own person, and she's already made the descision to leave Wano with Luffy. Yes she said she'd die for Momo, but she also said she's going to sea with Luffy. Luffy is the one she chose to follow. The bond with momo does not supercede that now that she's declared that she hasn't changed her mind after meeting him.

My suggestion was simply to counter the arguments of the latest discussion about Momo joining. Yes, Yamato is her own person and has her own decision. It’s just like Van said that people can’t read the situation that Momo declared he wants to be a shogun, and fans are saying that he will join. Vice versa in Yamato’s case. Being a Wano’s representative is just one of the possible conclussion though. It’s like saying that Robin is Ohara’s representative, Chopper is Drum representative, etc.

 

[Rootbeer]

How are Johnny and Yosaku better characters than Carrot?

Introduction & relevancy

Carrot

- She shows up for the first time on chapter 804 attacking Zoro to demonstrate the Mink powers such as Electro, Floating
- Her design is a basic humanoid rabbit with short blond hair and paw like gauntlet claw for weapons not unique to her alone
- Carrot has the Ruler Aide title with Wanda which is pretty useless overall considering there should be one king but it is a unique status that she received partly due to Wanda being her caretaker
- She's part of the musketeer squad
- She garchuu people sometimes

Johnny and Yosaku

- The introduction chapter is named after them, chapter 42
- Johnny is shown attacking Luffy and destroying the Merry for the first time
- As for their design, they both are humans with odd fishermen style outfits, Johnny has a big tattoo of the sea on his face and Yosaku is wearing the same type of helmet that Usopp is in Wano for the Onigashima raid, his clothing resemble of someone in boxers and bathrobe
- Their weapon are some unique type of cleaver swords, probaby related to the fisherman theme
- They are Bounty hunters as well as Zoro past friends, they call him brother Zoro
- Yosaku was stricken with curvy for bad alimentation, a key moment for the Strawhats to realise that they needed a Cook for keeping the crew healthy
- Johnny was vital in recruiting Sanji, as he suggested upon his knowledge that he knew of the sea restaurant Baratie and would lead them there
- Their gimmick is to state each time they '' lost by a hair ''

WCI,Wano vs Baratie, Arlong Park

Carrot

- Took on the Lookout spot for WCI and nothing in Wano, even got outshined by Usopp Haki to detect enemies ahead
- Was Chopper sidekick in Mirror world following his lead and plan
- Drew faces of Pedro and the Strawhats as a gag for the Mirrors to find them
- Witnessed Pedro dying( for whatever that's worth)
- Carrot presented the Minks secret Power Sulong
- She paralysed Daifuku's fleet but needed the help of Daifuku himself or would have failed at it, also wasn't essential to the narrative as Jinbei would have done a better job while Nami steered the ship
- She has a moment with Sanji at the end of WCI about Pedro, even though they never shared words together
- In Wano she's been barely a character, however in act 1 she get to hear Oden's backstory(for whatever that's worth)
- Onigashima she's Nami's sidekick now, but even less relevant than with Chopper
- She has her first sideplot, going on an unwarranted revenge for Pedro against Perospero
- Perospero vs Carrot & Wanda is offscreened and they are defeated

Johnny and Yosaku

- They reveal their bounty posters which is the primary reason Nami remember her situation and goes back to Arlong
- They attack Fullbody and are instantly defeated, they heal their injuries on the merry while guarding it
- Johnny and Yosaku save Zoro from drowning after his defeat versus Mihawk, they also witnessed the full fight
- Johnny and Yosaku call Nami sister(for whatever that's worth)
- Luffy called Yosaku's name 4 times(for whatever that's worth)
- They are tricked by Nami and pushed into the sea, then report the news that she fled with the Merry
- Yosaku comes back at the end of Baratie with his lower half inside a PandaShark
- Yosaku is first to introduce in the story the fishman race
- Yosaku is also first to introduce the Shichibukai system and the mention of Jinbei
- Johnny has a short entertaining adventure with Usopp, him and Usopp ditch Zoro after tieing him up, then Johnny ditch Usopp to save his own life
- Johnny plays a key role of observing Nami's real fake murder of Usopp, which is used to cause doubt among the Strawhats as well as Nami's true nature
- Johnny and Yosaku leave the Strawhats for Nami's distrust, then secretly listen Nami's complete backstory told by Nojiko
- They redeem themselves by attacking the Arlong Pirates on their own, quickly defeated, they then play the major role of blocking the passage of the folks of Cocoyashi Village, saving them against themselves(in my opinion their best moment)
- They give both of their swords to Zoro so he can finish Hacchi with his Santoryu fighting style
- Yosaku introduced the iconic weird dance with a basket and chopsticks in the nose that several Strawhats have done in banquets

It should be pretty evident that Johnny and Yosaku are by far more important, distinct and better written characters than Carrot..

As for Johnny and Yosaku over Carrot, i'd say Carrot is a better version than Kiwi and Mozu's Franky family groupies.. Carrot's a fighting Mink groupie..

 

[Sigran101]

My suggestion was simply to counter the arguments of the latest discussion about Momo joining. Yes, Yamato is her own person and has her own decision. It’s just like Van said that people can’t read the situation that Momo declared he wants to be a shogun, and fans are saying that he will join. Vice versa in Yamato’s case. Being a Wano’s representative is just one of the possible conclussion though. It’s like saying that Robin is Ohara’s representative, Chopper is Drum representative, etc.

Ah, okay that makes sense. She would definitely be Wano's representative in that case. But the idea that Momo would have to order her to go with Luffy is dumb. She already decided to go with Luffy and Momo can't tell her what to do.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Many points raised from this chapter.

1. The idea that Carrot might join the straw hats in a potential Oars style battle on Kaido gained another point. It seems Neko is about to trounce Pero. He'd win ordinarily, but using Sulong is just overkill. It was even mentioned in this chapter by Hyogoro that when someone gets that serious, you have no right interfering with their fight. And if Carrot truly doesn't have her moment to shine vs Pero then that leaves the door open for huge possibilities for the future.

2. At this point, the straw hats are definitely going to go to the moon. King's ancient moon race that were formerly known as Gods only cements the necessity to visit. When doing so, it would be useful to have a straw hat with a personal connection to the place.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...w-members-and-the-grand-fleet.79/post-1638389

3. Momo's transformation looks incredible. You can tell Oda put real effort into it and gave it the appropriate double spread to display it in full glory. Compare this to the forgettable crap Yamao got for her df transformation and it should be very clear which one Oda is way more invested in

4. Shinobu claims that Momo looks exactly like (what's most likely to be) Oden. The same Oden that Yamao's been jerking off to for the last 20 years. They're also now the same age yet again. 28-year-old son of Oden with a dragon df and a 28-year-old daughter of Kaido who roleplays as Oden. If Momo asked Yamao for help in doing something (such as leaving Wano to go and open the borders), Yamao will likely say yes, especially considering Oda went through the time of building up a close relationship between the two throughout almost the entire time Yamao's existed. It could also slap the stupidity out of her. If she sees Momo looking identical to his father then she might finally realise that she can't be Oden, and might then decide to support the actual person who's following Oden's footsteps. Either way, with them now sharing the same age and the Oden visual similarities, the connection between the two just strengthened even more. The two are a pair. Where one goes, the other will follow.

5. A while back, people made the argument that we needed someone who represents Wano to join the crew. The idea being that Yamao would be the Wano and "Oden" representative of the crew. Now not only does Zoro wield Oden's sword (which is said to contain his will), but he also has direct blood connections to Wano itself and is a descendant of a lord and also the nation's hero. That's enough Wano representation for those who desired it.

Lol, Yamato literally says she wants travel with Luffy again in 1016, this was after "bonding" with Momo for 20 chapters so....

 

[Raughtale]

Here’s hoping dizzy doesn’t delete his account when he runs and hides after Wano and leaves all these posts up for us to enjoy, would be an absolute shame if his tens of thousands of words about Car-uhh, excuse me, Momo, the character he’s supported and defended above all others since the very beginning, totally went to waste and left no impact on anyone here

dizzy will disappear for a year, not to run or hide but because that's how long it will take to type the post explaining how they were wronged.

 

[Sigran101]

Lol, Yamato literally says she wants travel with Luffy again in 1016, this was after "bonding" with Momo for 20 chapters so....

Stop, don't use logical arguments! What matters are fan theories about background colors and devil fruit numbers! Everything else we can fill in with fan fiction!

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Ah, okay that makes sense. She would definitely be Wano's representative in that case. But the idea that Momo would have to order her to go with Luffy is dumb. She already decided to go with Luffy and Momo can't tell her what to do.

Lol yeah that’s my point about the dumb idea. Even a dumb idea sounds plausible, therefore I used the emoji. It’s like Van said that Momo decided to be a Shogun and people conclude he will join, while Yamato decided to join yet people say she will stay.

 

[Sigran101]

Lol yeah that’s my point about the dumb idea. Even a dumb idea sounds plausible, therefore I used the emoji. It’s like Van said that Momo decided to be a Shogun and people conclude he will join, while Yamato decided to join yet people say she will stay.

Yeah, it's not about the actual manga, it's about people's agenda. That's the only explanation.

 

[Kai. Do]

Stop, don't use logical arguments! What matters are fan theories about background colors and devil fruit numbers! Everything else we can fill in with fan fiction!

You'd have to stupid ill-informed to be taking Dizzy seriously at this point. He's just making up whatever excuses he can think of as to why Yamato shouldn't join the crew, and reasons why Yamato won't join the crew.

First he said that Yamato is Wano's guardian, therefore must stay in Wano and can't join the crew.

When that argument no longer worked he said that Yamato will sail the world on her own, even though she has zero sailing and navigation skills and experience.

When that argument no longer worked he said that Yamato will sail with Momo around the world, even though there is zero reasons for Momo to do that.

When that argument no longer worked he changed his tactics by saying that Momo will join the crew instead of Yamato.

But he also said that Yamato will always be by Momo's side, so if Momo joins the crew- then Yamato has to join too Lmfao.



Dizzy doesn't even realize that by advocating Momo to join the crew, he's actually helping Yamato's case.