General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

I can sense that Carrot fans can’t take the sarcasm…

Post automatically merged: Oct 28, 2021

like I said, his logic goes like:
Carrot: the sea is a wonderland! (mentioned it once only, never specifically said anything joining the crew)
His mind: that’s it! Carrot is leaving specifically with Straw Hats!

Yamato: I want to set sail with Luffy and get stronger! (More than 3 times)
His mind: no! Yamato is red herring! She’s staying especially since her DF is Wano’s guardian deity! (While we all know who mentions the guardian deity thing is the main villain of the arc)

at this point it’s useless to argue with real proofs and evidences. He will counter the real evidences with his mental gymnastics logical fallacies.

Because ALL is in the subtext. You should know that in every stories there is different level of lecture. Well this is the case in this instance.

Plus careful with the strawman, I'm not discarding Yamato only because of this sentence and I'm not regarding Carrot only because of this sentance. But because of all the context, the subtext and all the data I have.

If you keep taking the story one data at a time, you won't get anywhere. You have to take EVERYTHING into account.

When a character that is not part of a group, say that the group WILL accept him, this is indeed a red flag. On the other hand, when a character imposed themself to a group and is accepted, this is a green flag.

Do you understand the difference or am I speaking chinese here ?

 

[Uncle Van]

Hmm y'all been having fun while I was away but don't forget: arguments that can properly explain why Oda will do something completely different for Carrot and Carrot alone, are the best ones of all. I've seen 0 so far but don't give up!

Good day to you all

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Because ALL is in the subtext. You should know that in every stories there is different level of lecture. Well this is the case in this instance.

Plus careful with the strawman, I'm not discarding Yamato only because of this sentence and I'm not regarding Carrot only because of this sentance. But because of all the context, the subtext and all the data I have.

If you keep taking the story one data at a time, you won't get anywhere. You have to take EVERYTHING into account.

When a character that is not part of a group, say that the group WILL accept him, this is indeed a red flag. On the other hand, when a character imposed themself to a group and is accepted, this is a green flag.

Do you understand the difference or am I speaking chinese here ?

Funny that you decided to ignore my previous reply, only to reply this; where you’re not answering nor countering anything even a bit from I posted before. You answered this just to protect your empty, pointless arguments, not even giving exact counter arguments for the previous reply. I bet you don’t even know what you’re talking about with this post.

then answer this:
- every Straw Hat has their own arc. They appear as secondary protagonist before finally joining.
- every Straw Hat has tragic past. That’s why they are a family, because they share pain together
- every Straw Hat has main villain in their arc before joining, who is defeated by Luffy, by any other Straw Hat, or by themselves in the end. Then the respective Straw Hat joins in the end after their main villain is defeated.

Why Carrot doesn’t fit all of these? What makes Carrot so special, that she doesn’t fit all of these absolute points? Don’t talk about subtext or context bullshit. And since you were mentioning about data, then answer the questions above with real data.

 

[Sigran101]

Because ALL is in the subtext. You should know that in every stories there is different level of lecture. Well this is the case in this instance.

Plus careful with the strawman, I'm not discarding Yamato only because of this sentence and I'm not regarding Carrot only because of this sentance. But because of all the context, the subtext and all the data I have.

If you keep taking the story one data at a time, you won't get anywhere. You have to take EVERYTHING into account.

When a character that is not part of a group, say that the group WILL accept him, this is indeed a red flag. On the other hand, when a character imposed themself to a group and is accepted, this is a green flag.

Do you understand the difference or am I speaking chinese here ?

We all have the same "data", and the consensus seems to be that it points to Yamato more than Carrot. There's a reason why Yamato has more than double Carrot's votes and why people who hate Yamato agree that she's joining while die hard Carrot fans are jumping ship. All of your posts refer to this "data" and "evidence" you have, but you never actually post it. You never even counter our arguments, you just say stuff like "it doesn't matter" or "you're not looking at the whole story". How about backing up your claims for once? Just saying "you're wrong" is meaningless. You have to present the evidence that shows we're wrong.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Why settle for Caribou (planned to join the SHs), Kin'emon (disguised as Momo's father), Momo (ate DF out of hunger), Monet (has DF-based snow ability), Caesar (uncuffed to help the alliance), Rebecca (locked down in Corrida Colosseum), Bartolomeo (hoping to meet Luffy and the SHs), Carrot (wanted to travel outside Zou), Pudding (a Yonko's daughter) or Tama (wanted to join Ace) as the next SH when we have Yamato (planned to join the SHs, disguised as Oden; ate DF out of hunger; has DF-based ice ability; uncuffed to help the alliance; locked down in Onigashima; hoping to meet Luffy and the SHs; wanted to travel outside Wano; a Yonko's daughter; wanted to join Ace) who is a full package?

All those people whom you thought would possibly be the next SH, are just foreshadows and red herring for the real next SH...

 

[Logiko]

We all have the same "data", and the consensus seems to be that it points to Yamato more than Carrot. There's a reason why Yamato has more than double Carrot's votes and why people who hate Yamato agree that she's joining while die hard Carrot fans are jumping ship. All of your posts refer to this "data" and "evidence" you have, but you never actually post it. You never even counter our arguments, you just say stuff like "it doesn't matter" or "you're not looking at the whole story". How about backing up your claims for once? Just saying "you're wrong" is meaningless. You have to present the evidence that shows we're wrong.

In fact there is no consensus. There are two fanbase against each other.

The only reasons Yamato has more vote here are the hype factors and number of Yamato fan:

- Strenght
- Relationships
- Omnipresence

I've have countered each and every wrong arguments here. People are just ignoring those counter argumentation.

I've made multiple strong points about the nature of the strawhats, the actions of the strawhats, the post etc.

EVERYTHING has been ignored. And I understand there is nothing to reply.

For example answer this question (without ignoring it) and you will understand how hard it is to respound to my argumentation:

Based on everything in the story (the panels, the adventures, the interactions) and what I showed you here:

What is the probability for Carrot to sneak again on the Sunny ?


Spoiler:
Saying none, would be wrong, The story, the interactions, the panels are all indicating the opposite. So.. if you say none, you are wrong (i can prove that to you with the story) and if you say "high" well .. you would be going against the case of Yamato.. why ? Because if Carrot sneak on the Sunny again, it will be at a point of no return (because this interaction would have no meaning on the contrary) and where there is a point of no return, their is, by logic, a situation created - in that case - where the protagonist will act as a temporary strawhat.

Carrot will therefore be with the strawhats and act as the strawhats. The only logical following to this situation is by creating a storyline for Carrot AFTER wano, to BECOME a strawhat

You see the cognitive dissonance you have in front of you ?

Your only hope: is to avoid the question or reply a semi answer "maybe"

Post automatically merged: Oct 29, 2021

then answer this:
- every Straw Hat has their own arc. They appear as secondary protagonist before finally joining.
- every Straw Hat has tragic past. That’s why they are a family, because they share pain together
- every Straw Hat has main villain in their arc before joining, who is defeated by Luffy, by any other Straw Hat, or by themselves in the end. Then the respective Straw Hat joins in the end after their main villain is defeated.
.

Yes yes and yes. What you did forget tho, is that those are not needed for a character to join the crew, they are needed for a character to become an official strawhat (at least that what you think, in fact it's a little bit more complicated than that). All those parameters can come AFTER the moment when the character joins the crew.

It happened with Nami
AND
It happened with Robin

 

[thedarkdragon11]

What is the probability for Carrot to sneak again on the Sunny ?

If Oda is a good writer, he won't do it again... Especially, someone sneaking aboard? The last time someone sneaked aboard, Sunny almost destroyed (Mirroworld intruders)... This can be interpreted that the SHs never learned and that they're still vulnerable with intruders...

It IS possible, but it's a bad writing... Besides, Carrot isn't the only one with that tendency so you can't just single Carrot out...

It happened with Nami
AND
It happened with Robin

Don't disregard their major roles in the story arc they joined in... Arlong Park and Enies Lobby arcs are just complementary arcs for them... During Orange Town and Alabasta arcs, their roles in the story can't be dismissed... Remove them from those arcs and it will affect the story big time...

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

If Oda is a good writer, he won't do it again... Especially, someone sneaking aboard? The last time someone sneaked aboard, Sunny almost destroyed (Mirroworld intruders)... This can be interpreted that the SHs never learned and that they're still vulnerable with intruders...

It IS possible, but it's a bad writing... Besides, Carrot isn't the only one with that tendency so you can't just single Carrot out...



Don't disregard their major roles in the story arc they joined in... Arlong Park and Enies Lobby arcs are just complementary arcs for them... During Orange Town and Alabasta arcs, their roles in the story can't be dismissed... Remove them from those arcs and it will affect the story big time...

Nami and Robin also both have: worked for the main villan and helped Luffy in those first arcs they appeared (Buggy and Crocodile). Both were using those villains for persoonal goals and betrayed that main villain and left with Luffy, and both those villains helped Luffy in ID and MF. Then they both left the crew because an even bigger villain (Arlong, arguably most powerful of EB and the WG, arguably ruler and most powerful of "Paradise") was a threat to them/their loved ones, and were rescued by Luffy and his crew before they re-joined. The equivalent of this would be if Zou was under the rule of someone evil (which would be a red carpet for a tragic flashback) or someone took away Carrot for a certain skill she posseses, then Luffy defeats that someone and she joins, then Kaido becomes aware of her so she leaves to keep them safe etc. But shes none of that, shes a million times less complex than Nami and Robin. Her character is like a 100m race, Nami and Robin are like a long distance triathlon. So saying she can just stowaway now and get all that development later, when in 200+ chapters of her, the biggest development she had was Pedro telling her the importance of SHP surviving Whole Cake, and that she must push forward, also losing to her personal villain and having Nekomamushi take the fight from her (while forgetting about and completely ignoring the what should be a much worse villain to her, one that nearly wiped out her entire nation), is really laughtable. So when is that developement about to come then? At this pace she can join the SHP in the spinoff after One Piece is over. I feel ashamed on behalf of all Carrot fans that this comparison is being made

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

In fact there is no consensus. There are two fanbase against each other.

The only reasons Yamato has more vote here are the hype factors and number of Yamato fan:

- Strenght
- Relationships
- Omnipresence

I've have countered each and every wrong arguments here. People are just ignoring those counter argumentation.

I've made multiple strong points about the nature of the strawhats, the actions of the strawhats, the post etc.

EVERYTHING has been ignored. And I understand there is nothing to reply.

For example answer this question (without ignoring it) and you will understand how hard it is to respound to my argumentation:

Based on everything in the story (the panels, the adventures, the interactions) and what I showed you here:

What is the probability for Carrot to sneak again on the Sunny ?


Spoiler:
Saying none, would be wrong, The story, the interactions, the panels are all indicating the opposite. So.. if you say none, you are wrong (i can prove that to you with the story) and if you say "high" well .. you would be going against the case of Yamato.. why ? Because if Carrot sneak on the Sunny again, it will be at a point of no return (because this interaction would have no meaning on the contrary) and where there is a point of no return, their is, by logic, a situation created - in that case - where the protagonist will act as a temporary strawhat.

Carrot will therefore be with the strawhats and act as the strawhats. The only logical following to this situation is by creating a storyline for Carrot AFTER wano, to BECOME a strawhat

You see the cognitive dissonance you have in front of you ?

Your only hope: is to avoid the question or reply a semi answer "maybe"

Post automatically merged: Oct 29, 2021

Yes yes and yes. What you did forget tho, is that those are not needed for a character to join the crew, they are needed for a character to become an official strawhat (at least that what you think, in fact it's a little bit more complicated than that). All those parameters can come AFTER the moment when the character joins the crew.

It happened with Nami
AND
It happened with Robin

still not answering my questions nor giving evidences about what I questioned. You don’t even give real answers why would Oda make Carrot sneak up again, if she is the next Straw Hat; instead of being invited or accepted. Honestly, it’s sad if you think the best chance for Carrot is to sneak up again instead of inviting herself or being accepted in the crew. And again, all you do are incoherent blabbers and mental gymnastics. Are you sure you’re capable to comprehend, or like you said: that you’re an analyst?

comparing a lame-ass character with Nami & Robin? LMAO you really are a whole circus. Ever since their introduction, Nami & Robin had their own agendas. Orange Town & Alabasta arc are their introduction arc, their background story only revealed later during Arlong Park & Enies Lobby. Arlong Park & Enies Lobby arc act as the backstory of what Nami & Robin did, why they chose their way. Nami & Robin were pretty much like a secondary villain with their own agenda before they joined, that’s why their backstory is revealed later. And still, Luffy has acknowledged them as his nakama ever since the first time they joined, or we can say after since their introduction arc; while Luffy never once acknowledged Carrot as his nakama.

Carrot will never get even an ounce of what Nami & Robin have, and have done. Carrot never joined any criminal organizations / villains, even worse is that she doesn’t have anything specific nor useful from her to be used by the main villain in her introduction arc. Nami’s amazing cartographic ability, and Robin as the sole Poneglyph reader in the world, make a lot of sense for them to have their background story revealed later; and their background story revealed AFTER they joined the 1st time. Therefore comparing Carrot who has nothing to offer, with Nami & Robin, there is absolutely no point to make background arc later for Carrot.

And for your lame idea that Carrot sneaks up again instead of being invited or being accepted, makes it even more obvious that your comparison doesn’t make sense. The 2nd time Nami & Robin on Sunny again, Luffy himself acknowledges Nami & Robin as a nakama, again; both Nami and Robin didn’t join again by sneaking up; none of the Straw Hats did that but Robin. Robin only did that once after Alabasta, but she is finally accepted into the crew instead of sneaking up again. (not gonna lie I’m laughing here. I’m so glad Oda is the one who created One Piece instead of you.)

Pretty please, stop comparing Nami & Robin with lame-ass side character, which by how you reply and give comparison with Nami & Robin, you indirectly admit that Carrot doesn’t fit the absolute points to be a Straw Hat. Everything you reply are speculations and theories, and not based on what you said as “data”.

 

[Rootbeer]

Carrot can't be a Strawhat since it was Onion who was always on the Lookout throughout Usopp's arc and it's also a well known fact that you can't be the Lookout without the Green light of Sniper King Captain Usopp himself..

 

[Flagandhat]

comparing Nami & Robin

I think that is the first time that i am posting here. I think that comparing characters is always a good option for making theories about the next nakama. If I am honest. I am always doing that. This is the main reason why i always think in Bellamy with ussop and franky. (Kuma and pedro too) Monet with nami and robin. Momo with sanji and brook and jimbe with chopper and zoro. Of course that it is only an idea, i am not saying that it is the whole truth, because making comparations in one piece is so difficult.

Of course that nami and robin share things with carrot. As i said before, we can find a lot of thigs for compairing if we find carefully, for instance, i also found things in common with nami and carrot. As the same that i also found things in common with nami robin and yamato.

To sum up. Making comparations is the right choice but is difficult because there are a lot of things to compare. So every character will have a good point.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

I think that is the first time that i am posting here. I think that comparing characters is always a good option for making theories about the next nakama. If I am honest. I am always doing that. This is the main reason why i always think in Bellamy with ussop and franky. (Kuma and pedro too) Monet with nami and robin. Momo with sanji and brook and jimbe with chopper and zoro. Of course that it is only an idea, i am not saying that it is the whole truth, because making comparations in one piece is so difficult.

Of course that nami and robin share things with carrot. As i said before, we can find a lot of thigs for compairing if we find carefully, for instance, i also found things in common with nami and carrot. As the same that i also found things in common with nami robin and yamato.

To sum up. Making comparations is the right choice but is difficult because there are a lot of things to compare. So every character will have a good point.

I completely understand what you mean, but if we want to make example from Nami & Robin, we can conclude like this:
- both Nami & Robin have antagonists prior joining, whom Luffy defeated only for them to join after
- both Nami & Robin have tragic past which forced them to do bad things & villainous way to survive
- both Nami & Robin are experts in their own thing, that they used that to survive by themselves
- Nami & Robin lost almost everything they hold dear to them; they especially lost their mother figure. Another reason why they were forced to go villainous way.
- after joining the 1st time, Nami & Robin finally have ultimate antagonist revealed which made them went the villainous way; but again, it’s after they joined the first time, and they sacrificed themselves only to be saved by Luffy later
- both Nami & Robin’s villains prior joining were captains of their respective pirate crew; Buggy and Crocodile; and again, both are defeated by Luffy. Nami & Robin’s villains prior joining also get stronger both powerwise and influence-wise. Buggy was one of the earliest pirate captains, and Crocodile was the first Shichibukai who can be considered a pirate captain since he had Baroque Works.
- during Nami & Robin’s ultimate antagonist showdown, at least each of Straw Hat defeat each of the antagonist’s allies; each Straw Hat defeated each Arlong’s crew, and each Straw Hat defeated each CP9 member. Luffy defeated the strongest one of them, who gave the biggest threat and trauma to them.

now let’s see with Carrot:
- does Carrot have any antagonist to be defeated by Luffy prior joining? No. Both of her supposedly main villains (Jack and Perospero) are not defeated by Luffy; not even by any Straw Hat.
- does Carrot have tragic past which forced her to do bad things & goes villainous way to survive? No
- is Carrot an expert in something, that she uses it for her to survive by her own self? No
- does Carrot lose almost anything she holds dear? No
- does Carrot have ultimate antagonist who made Carrot goes villainous way? No. Carrot has never been under a villain’s influence, nor has she even joined in any way, therefore no need to compare with Nami & Robin
- is Carrot’s main antagonist the captain in their own crew? No
- I guess the last point doesn’t need to be explained

Carrot fulfills none of a single point above, therefore like I said it’s futile and pointless to compare Nami & Robin with Carrot. While Yamato, fills almost every single one, at least most of them. And it’s based on real data & evidences, like we all know

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Both of her supposedly main villains (Jack and Perospero) are not defeated by Luffy; not even by any Straw Hat.

This is supposedly the final nail in Carrot's obvious coffin...

 

[Flagandhat]

This is supposedly the final nail in Carrot's obvious coffin...

(Both of her supposedly main villains (Jack and Perospero) are not defeated by Luffy; not even by any Straw Hat. by @JoSeungHun7335 )
WOW. I didnt think about that. It was a very good point honestly. If i remember Inuarashi and Nekomamushi defeated Jack and perospero.

And it’s based on real data & evidences, like we all know

Yeah. I also know all the bad things with carrot. We have to be honest with ourself. If we started to think, there are a lot of big problems with carrot, yamato, momo etc etc etc. On the left hand, the characters that have nowadays a big support for joining are carrot and yamato. Everyone we know that, but on the right hand, they two have a lot of problems too. I mean, Oda wanted to do this, is the first time that we have a lot of doubts with two candidates for nakama.


For me, Yamato have a better position for joining, and carrot a bad position right know. But only god knows, maybe in the next ten chapters carrot is important or maybe in the next ten chapter yamato is even more important than everyone. In that case, is better to think in the problem with a different point of view. The time view. Carrot lost a lot of importance in the manga and that "void" started to be fullfilled again by Yamato appear... Maybe another character will appear and yamato will lose her current importance. We dont know.

But the importance is not a big point too. Maybe yamato is again important or carrot. But carrot has the same problems with or without importance. Yamato too. She knows everything and Luffy maybe will reject her like he did when ussop asked for information to Rayleigh and maybe yamato will be the protector of wano with in the future to stop the goverment plan for joininmg wano to he council of the nations. Problems are here, with or without more screens, so we have to wait jajaja.

To conclusion. I believe that Yamato is like rebecca and carrot like vivi, but it is only my impression, because carrot and yamato have a lot of things in opposition with these two characters too. The next nakama will be a girl or i think so, maybe i am right, maybe i am wrong. So we have to wait for more news from carrot, yamato, wanda, tama, vivi, monet and new characters that will appear.

We will have to wait so much time ? I think that Wano is over 4 to 7 months more or less.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

(Both of her supposedly main villains (Jack and Perospero) are not defeated by Luffy; not even by any Straw Hat. by @JoSeungHun7335 )
WOW. I didnt think about that. It was a very good point honestly. If i remember Inuarashi and Nekomamushi defeated Jack and perospero.



Yeah. I also know all the bad things with carrot. We have to be honest with ourself. If we started to think, there are a lot of big problems with carrot, yamato, momo etc etc etc. On the left hand, the characters that have nowadays a big support for joining are carrot and yamato. Everyone we know that, but on the right hand, they two have a lot of problems too. I mean, Oda wanted to do this, is the first time that we have a lot of doubts with two candidates for nakama.


For me, Yamato have a better position for joining, and carrot a bad position right know. But only god knows, maybe in the next ten chapters carrot is important or maybe in the next ten chapter yamato is even more important than everyone. In that case, is better to think in the problem with a different point of view. The time view. Carrot lost a lot of importance in the manga and that "void" started to be fullfilled again by Yamato appear... Maybe another character will appear and yamato will lose her current importance. We dont know.

But the importance is not a big point too. Maybe yamato is again important or carrot. But carrot has the same problems with or without importance. Yamato too. She knows everything and Luffy maybe will reject her like he did when ussop asked for information to Rayleigh and maybe yamato will be the protector of wano with in the future to stop the goverment plan for joininmg wano to he council of the nations. Problems are here, with or without more screens, so we have to wait jajaja.

To conclusion. I believe that Yamato is like rebecca and carrot like vivi, but it is only my impression, because carrot and yamato have a lot of things in opposition with these two characters too. The next nakama will be a girl or i think so, maybe i am right, maybe i am wrong. So we have to wait for more news from carrot, yamato, wanda, tama, vivi, monet and new characters that will appear.

We will have to wait so much time ? I think that Wano is over 4 to 7 months more or less.

I may have to focus on your point about Yamato knowing too much: it’s never been confirmed, if Oden’s journal contains One Piece, Laugh Tale, or anything important on that level. Oden is a Poneglyph writer and reader, it’s impossible if he put those kind of information in his journal; instead of on any poneglyph steles, stones or any indestructible material. Oden put those kind of information definitely destroys the purpose of any available Poneglyph, and also makes Robin’s existence in the crew becomes useless.

 

[Flagandhat]

I may have to focus on your point about Yamato knowing too much: it’s never been confirmed, if Oden’s journal contains One Piece, Laugh Tale, or anything important on that level. Oden is a Poneglyph writer and reader, it’s impossible if he put those kind of information in his journal; instead of on any poneglyph steles, stones or any indestructible material. Oden put those kind of information definitely destroys the purpose of any available Poneglyph, and also makes Robin’s existence in the crew becomes useless.

Oh yes. Good point. I had a mistake here. It is truth that Yamato knowing so much it is not confirmed yet. Anyways, the position that yamato will have in the ship, is going to break my mind eventually. I don´t find for her a role, but it doesnt matter. because if she joins she will have a role special or something. With carrot was easy, the lookout, but she has a lot of problem for joining. I dont know how to explain, but i think that luffy will ask carrot for joining and she will reject him like vivi, or yamato will.

But i also think that the secret of wano that sengoku said will be linked for the next nakama

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Oh yes. Good point. I had a mistake here. It is truth that Yamato knowing so much it is not confirmed yet. Anyways, the position that yamato will have in the ship, is going to break my mind eventually. I don´t find for her a role, but it doesnt matter. because if she joins she will have a role special or something. With carrot was easy, the lookout, but she has a lot of problem for joining. I dont know how to explain, but i think that luffy will ask carrot for joining and she will reject him like vivi, or yamato will.

But i also think that the secret of wano that sengoku said will be linked for the next nakama

We have yet to explore Yamato outside a war so there are lots of time for Oda to showcase her ship role...

If Luffy is to ask Carrot, he would've done it before the war and invited her to join in the interrupted toast...

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Oh yes. Good point. I had a mistake here. It is truth that Yamato knowing so much it is not confirmed yet. Anyways, the position that yamato will have in the ship, is going to break my mind eventually. I don´t find for her a role, but it doesnt matter. because if she joins she will have a role special or something. With carrot was easy, the lookout, but she has a lot of problem for joining. I dont know how to explain, but i think that luffy will ask carrot for joining and she will reject him like vivi, or yamato will.

But i also think that the secret of wano that sengoku said will be linked for the next nakama

Currently, both are on the same condition role-wise. It’s never been confirmed in the story, Vivre Card data book, nor SBS that Carrot has an impressive feat as a lookout; especially it’s never been confirmed if Carrot has excellent eyesight. Lookout would have been a speculation of the role possibility, if Carrot joined. Seeing things afar with binoculars is not an impressive feat. Almost everybody can do it. Usopp as the official sharpshooter, has better eyesight; and Robin can sprout her limbs almost anywhere she wishes. If lookout is Carrot’s supposed role, Viola should be the lookout instead because Viola can see 4000 kms away. Even Viola worked under Doflamingo’s influence, which fits the pattern.

and if Carrot is indeed an impressive lookout, the story should revolve around her feat being used by the supposedly main villain; but unfortunately it’s never gone that way. Yamato on the other hand, was forced by the main villain (Kaido) to do Kaido’s own bidding; which is to be the shogun and protector of Wano, and Yamato clearly rejected that idea.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Carrot is unimpressive as a lookout as well:

 

[Sigran101]

In fact there is no consensus. There are two fanbase against each other.

The only reasons Yamato has more vote here are the hype factors and number of Yamato fan:

- Strenght
- Relationships
- Omnipresence

I've have countered each and every wrong arguments here. People are just ignoring those counter argumentation.

I've made multiple strong points about the nature of the strawhats, the actions of the strawhats, the post etc.

EVERYTHING has been ignored. And I understand there is nothing to reply.

For example answer this question (without ignoring it) and you will understand how hard it is to respound to my argumentation:

Based on everything in the story (the panels, the adventures, the interactions) and what I showed you here:

What is the probability for Carrot to sneak again on the Sunny ?


Spoiler:
Saying none, would be wrong, The story, the interactions, the panels are all indicating the opposite. So.. if you say none, you are wrong (i can prove that to you with the story) and if you say "high" well .. you would be going against the case of Yamato.. why ? Because if Carrot sneak on the Sunny again, it will be at a point of no return (because this interaction would have no meaning on the contrary) and where there is a point of no return, their is, by logic, a situation created - in that case - where the protagonist will act as a temporary strawhat.

Carrot will therefore be with the strawhats and act as the strawhats. The only logical following to this situation is by creating a storyline for Carrot AFTER wano, to BECOME a strawhat

You see the cognitive dissonance you have in front of you ?

Your only hope: is to avoid the question or reply a semi answer "maybe"

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Yes yes and yes. What you did forget tho, is that those are not needed for a character to join the crew, they are needed for a character to become an official strawhat (at least that what you think, in fact it's a little bit more complicated than that). All those parameters can come AFTER the moment when the character joins the crew.

It happened with Nami
AND
It happened with Robin

This is the very definition of a strawman. You ask me a question, then answer it yourself with the most extreme answer possible, and then say I have cognitive dissonance for answering that way. I would actually give Carrot stowing away a 50-50 shot. It could happen, and I hope it does, but I'm not banking on it and I think Yamato is joining either way. Once again, all you have done is avoid posting your "evidence". Just be honest, you don't have any. We keep asking to see it and you never post it.