General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Lol I have a lot of things to say about what happened in that thread in the last few days.. Imagine being a Yamato fan.. calling the analysis of Carrot fan BS because Carrot was depicted as a look-out more than you can count.. and trying to find a way to make Yamato coexist with the crew by giving her a job.. So let's have fun :
- Guard ???? Isn't it a bit anticlimatic as it would mean that Yamato would stay on the ship while the other are out ??
- Apprentice.. Wait.. so now you are telling me that Yamato can't do anything right and so this would be the only place for a 28 year old woman??
- Sake brew..ACP?APKNPEFN LMAO!!
And those people are seriously going against me when I talk about the Sentry post.. Damn..
So yeah.. This is a nice panel.. For a hype character.. nothing less, nothing more.
Let's all be clear. Unless Yamato shows at least one special capacity for a post on the sunny.. Anything...
She has ZERO chances to join the crew. Ever.
You can be mad at me for saying that. You can call me arrogant.. you can even call me bias.. but that's just how Oda does things. No.. more.. That's a narrative necessity. And right now, this is not looking good for your girl... remember.. all those "introductions" came very early in the story. We are already more than 30+ chapters in in Yamato's story.
- Guard ???? Isn't it a bit anticlimatic as it would mean that Yamato would stay on the ship while the other are out ??
- Apprentice.. Wait.. so now you are telling me that Yamato can't do anything right and so this would be the only place for a 28 year old woman??
- Sake brew..ACP?APKNPEFN LMAO!!
And those people are seriously going against me when I talk about the Sentry post.. Damn..
So yeah.. This is a nice panel.. For a hype character.. nothing less, nothing more.
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Let's all be clear. Unless Yamato shows at least one special capacity for a post on the sunny.. Anything...
She has ZERO chances to join the crew. Ever.
You can be mad at me for saying that. You can call me arrogant.. you can even call me bias.. but that's just how Oda does things. No.. more.. That's a narrative necessity. And right now, this is not looking good for your girl... remember.. all those "introductions" came very early in the story. We are already more than 30+ chapters in in Yamato's story.
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Not one person here will ever consider you an authority because you present yourself like a clown. I'm sorry, but it's true. Most of us aren't even taking you seriously, we're just humoring you because it's entertaining to see what nonsense you'll come up with next. College degree in literary analysis>being a super fan of the series when it comes to these things. I'm not going to claim my take is better than someone else's because of my degree, but if you're going to laude yourself as some kind of authority I'm going to pull rank on you.
Dude.. I have multiple degree in Cinematography and screenwriting. Don't even start talking to me like I'm some sort of clown, it only make you look like a lifeless bully.
I'm not adamant for nothing. I know my skills and right now, I know that the story is pointing at Carrot. Yes.. even if right now, she is not in it. Why ?
Because a story isn't just what there is in the present. A story is past.. present and future. If you only take one into account, you are only fooling yourself. And what is this forum is doing right now ?
Taking only the present into consideration. .. The past ? Never happened. The future ? We don't have a clue.
I might be wrong about Carrot. i've always said so. it's a possibility.. but even if I'm wrong.. I'm right to look at the WHOLE story instead of focusing only on what is happening now.
Call this arrogance or bs if you want.. I call that "analysis."
Can you show me where I am toxic please ?
I'm not adamant for nothing. I know my skills and right now, I know that the story is pointing at Carrot. Yes.. even if right now, she is not in it. Why ?
Because a story isn't just what there is in the present. A story is past.. present and future. If you only take one into account, you are only fooling yourself. And what is this forum is doing right now ?
Taking only the present into consideration. .. The past ? Never happened. The future ? We don't have a clue.
I might be wrong about Carrot. i've always said so. it's a possibility.. but even if I'm wrong.. I'm right to look at the WHOLE story instead of focusing only on what is happening now.
Call this arrogance or bs if you want.. I call that "analysis."
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Can you show me where I am toxic please ?
Your degrees are in cinemetography and screenwriting while mine is in literary analysis. Since One Piece is not a filmed production, my degree is much more applicable. I suggested you analyze the upcoming Netflix series instead since that is more related to your degrees.
I said this because you called me a bully for talking down to you just minutes after you proclaimed to the whole thread that they should agree you are right because you're smarter than them.
I said this because you called me a bully for talking down to you just minutes after you proclaimed to the whole thread that they should agree you are right because you're smarter than them.
@CarrotForNakama I know other people here have probably asked the same but why exactly are you here? No one is changing their stance and while you claim to account for the past, present and future, you're actively ignoring the present since Carrot isn't getting anything new. Any new Yamato stuff like on the last page is brushed off as red herring. If you're not gonna change your opinion no matter what pops up and no one here is budging on your same WCI arguments, are you just posting here for fun?
Uh ? Yeah.. two things tho..
1. One Piece is closer to cinematography than actual litterature.
2. Every story can be analysed under the same spectrum.
Second:
I've never said that I was smarter than the whole thread I'm surely not. I just said that giving authoritive argument might be the only things to shut the toxicity down.
Do you want my astrological sign and my phone number with that ?
Really I don't see where you are coming from. Paulie has never been a candidate nor a red hearing.
Yup.. it's fun. But my main goal is to cool down the toxicity mostly.. Sadly this is better said than done.
I'm not ignoring the present. Carrot do has nothing in the story right now, and this is indeed concerning. But it doesn't negate either her potential nor her past on whole cake. What has been written in the story is still in the story. The evidence that Carrot was a strong contender then are still evidences that she is a contender now.
1. One Piece is closer to cinematography than actual litterature.
2. Every story can be analysed under the same spectrum.
Second:
I've never said that I was smarter than the whole thread I'm surely not. I just said that giving authoritive argument might be the only things to shut the toxicity down.
Do you want my astrological sign and my phone number with that ?
Really I don't see where you are coming from. Paulie has never been a candidate nor a red hearing.
Yup.. it's fun. But my main goal is to cool down the toxicity mostly.. Sadly this is better said than done.
I'm not ignoring the present. Carrot do has nothing in the story right now, and this is indeed concerning. But it doesn't negate either her potential nor her past on whole cake. What has been written in the story is still in the story. The evidence that Carrot was a strong contender then are still evidences that she is a contender now.
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People read and understood everything you said. Your arguments just aren't good
Just making up your own rules and criterias. We argue in hindsight because we saw Oda use the same tactics 9 times in a row, and we saw Oda give a SH the struggling past 9 times in a row. But for the first time ever, a SH doesn't need a backstory because you said so.
Not a strawman by definition. It was clearly a question that you constantly refused to answer, along with arguing how Carrot doesn't need the things previous SHs got.
Not a strawman by definiton, and I clearly asked for any Carrot foreshadowing. You once again change the goalpost to call a strawman. Every single SH has been foreshadowed and you once again make up your own criteria to say Carrot alone doesnt need it.
Every single SH was foreshadowed by a previous SH before their introduction, and Carrot was never an active crewmate. Once again you create your own criteria to force Carrot in.
As a self proclaimed analyst, that is very strange. It was very direct and to the point.
Again making up your own criteria. If you are so good at understanding Oda's story telling, why do you constantly create your own rules that contradict what Oda has done 9 times in a row? How you think the story should unfold is completely irrelevant.
Remember that backstories was used for every single SH but Carrot doesn't need one for some reason. A good story doesn't have to do what you want for Carrot.
Vivi was never a red herring. In hindsight, we know she was never foreshadowed, was weaker than the Weakling Trio, was given the choice of going with the SHs or staying in Alabasta, and had no purpose outside of her kingdom. Robin was foreshadowed by Nami and was a far more important character than Carrot ever was.
Its also funny how you keep trying to force a comparison between Vivi and Yamato, when both Carrot and Vivi traveled with the SHs and are weaker than the Weakling Trio.
You have your own vision on how the story should play out in order to get Carrot to join, and you call bad faith if anybody ever disagrees with you, which is a bad faith argument in of itself.
Oh hey, you tried calling a strawman for me supposedly doing this to you, so what gives? As an analyst, how could you not understand that the burden of proof is on you to prove Carrot is a GOOD lookout, unique enough to be a SH?
Jumping really high, something Sanji and Chopper can do, makes Carrot a special lookout? Sanji can run on air and has COO to sense those who cant be seen...Chopper can jump high and become a shield....Usopp can sense people and snipe them from a distance. All 3 are better at being a lookout than Carrot and every SH is supposed to be unmatched in their roles.
You were banned for being toxic and all you should say was that they were protecting Yamato fans from your "facts." Arrogance.
You abuse bad faith arguments by definition.
See? Completely arrogant and foolish
Too bad Carrot isnt a strong character to begin with.
So why the need to make up scenarios that Oda's never done before just for Carrot?
Nami and Robin were important to the plot, main characters when they first joined, Robin was foreshadowed, and both had special skills. Carrot has none of those. All the SHs even had concept arts, with nothing hinting Carrot.
Sanji was important to the plot and discovered who Mr0 was. Very similar to getting off screened by a side villian huh?
Because its the truth. Acting like you're smarter than literally ever other person makes you arrogant.
If events are random, why do you screech about your great story telling skills, and call people bias for not believing your self admitted assumptions that could be wrong? Just a contradictory mess.
Focusing less on hunting down non existent bad faith arguments could do wonders for the brain.
Just making up your own rules and criterias. We argue in hindsight because we saw Oda use the same tactics 9 times in a row, and we saw Oda give a SH the struggling past 9 times in a row. But for the first time ever, a SH doesn't need a backstory because you said so.
Not a strawman by definition. It was clearly a question that you constantly refused to answer, along with arguing how Carrot doesn't need the things previous SHs got.
Not a strawman by definiton, and I clearly asked for any Carrot foreshadowing. You once again change the goalpost to call a strawman. Every single SH has been foreshadowed and you once again make up your own criteria to say Carrot alone doesnt need it.
Every single SH was foreshadowed by a previous SH before their introduction, and Carrot was never an active crewmate. Once again you create your own criteria to force Carrot in.
As a self proclaimed analyst, that is very strange. It was very direct and to the point.
Again making up your own criteria. If you are so good at understanding Oda's story telling, why do you constantly create your own rules that contradict what Oda has done 9 times in a row? How you think the story should unfold is completely irrelevant.
Remember that backstories was used for every single SH but Carrot doesn't need one for some reason. A good story doesn't have to do what you want for Carrot.
Vivi was never a red herring. In hindsight, we know she was never foreshadowed, was weaker than the Weakling Trio, was given the choice of going with the SHs or staying in Alabasta, and had no purpose outside of her kingdom. Robin was foreshadowed by Nami and was a far more important character than Carrot ever was.
Its also funny how you keep trying to force a comparison between Vivi and Yamato, when both Carrot and Vivi traveled with the SHs and are weaker than the Weakling Trio.
You have your own vision on how the story should play out in order to get Carrot to join, and you call bad faith if anybody ever disagrees with you, which is a bad faith argument in of itself.
Oh hey, you tried calling a strawman for me supposedly doing this to you, so what gives? As an analyst, how could you not understand that the burden of proof is on you to prove Carrot is a GOOD lookout, unique enough to be a SH?
Jumping really high, something Sanji and Chopper can do, makes Carrot a special lookout? Sanji can run on air and has COO to sense those who cant be seen...Chopper can jump high and become a shield....Usopp can sense people and snipe them from a distance. All 3 are better at being a lookout than Carrot and every SH is supposed to be unmatched in their roles.
You were banned for being toxic and all you should say was that they were protecting Yamato fans from your "facts." Arrogance.
You abuse bad faith arguments by definition.
See? Completely arrogant and foolish
Too bad Carrot isnt a strong character to begin with.
So why the need to make up scenarios that Oda's never done before just for Carrot?
Nami and Robin were important to the plot, main characters when they first joined, Robin was foreshadowed, and both had special skills. Carrot has none of those. All the SHs even had concept arts, with nothing hinting Carrot.
Sanji was important to the plot and discovered who Mr0 was. Very similar to getting off screened by a side villian huh?
Because its the truth. Acting like you're smarter than literally ever other person makes you arrogant.
If events are random, why do you screech about your great story telling skills, and call people bias for not believing your self admitted assumptions that could be wrong? Just a contradictory mess.
Focusing less on hunting down non existent bad faith arguments could do wonders for the brain.
Good to know you acknowledge Carrot has nothing right now. I still don't get why you're placing WCI on a pedestal and writing off the current story as fluff for her. The same Oda that you praise for masterminding her in WCI has lumped her right back with the minks in Wano. No showcase of her amazing lookout ability in Wano or the raid at all, no spotlight moment to speak of, and she's been on Wanda's hip longer than Yamato was with Momo. This is the most important battle for the crew and she's contributed less than the minks that fought on the roof. Can you please give another reason for why Oda would treat the final SH this poorly besides shock factor? For no other recruit but Carrot to be treated this bad in the same arc she joins.
As for the toxicity, that's exactly what I was referring to as well when I meant no one is changing. I can't speak for everyone but its clear they have their opinion about you and you're only fueling it by trying to be some arrogant vigilante. They're not gonna suddenly change their stance on Carrot and agree with your points even if they were less "toxic". You literally gain nothing from it in this discussion.
As for the toxicity, that's exactly what I was referring to as well when I meant no one is changing. I can't speak for everyone but its clear they have their opinion about you and you're only fueling it by trying to be some arrogant vigilante. They're not gonna suddenly change their stance on Carrot and agree with your points even if they were less "toxic". You literally gain nothing from it in this discussion.
Ok .. bon.. this is hurting my brain so much that I'll do something I don't usually do. I'll ignore the post and focus only on a few things and sentences:
I REALLY need you to understand what bad faith is so I will lit the way.
- First and foremost.. I notice that there is here (and with other players here) a huge problem on the definitions and usage of the words. I do understand that One Piece is such a story that it has created many .. many storytellers.. but it has also c reated many.. many missconception of storytelling.
You can't just use the word "foreshadowing" like a trumpet, this word has meaning.. saying (for example) "Robin was foreshadowed by Nami"... is purely meaningless.. it means literally "nothing". It's like saying that Robin was potato by Nami.. It's meaningless.. I have other example like that on you reply but I'll stop at that for that subject.. Be careful with the words.. Or give context so I can understand you.
If you want to know more about what are and what are not foreshadowings : I got an article on that precise subject.
Ok now the core of my reply. until we both agree that there is a problem here, I won't reply on the rest of your post, it would be meaningless as it is mostly the same thing again and again..
You say:
"Every single SH was foreshadowed by a previous SH before their introduction, and Carrot was never an active crewmate. Once again you create your own criteria to force Carrot in. "
I'll ignore the first part as it is meaningless as I previously said, what is interesting however is that part: "Carrot was never an active crewmate".
So.. do you see the problem here.. no.... do ANYONE see the problem with that sentence ?
See, this is the purest example of what I call a bad faith argument. Why ?
Well because this is not true. You know it. I know it. Everyones knows it. But.. you are still making the argument that Carrot has never acted as crewmate..
Why ?
I need to understand
Why are you ignoring 40+ panel of Carrot acting as a look-out and so, as a crewmate?
Why.. are you using bad faith here ?
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I won't lie, the situation of Carrot for us Carrot fan is indeed concerning and the only answer is "for the shock value it would bring".. The main reason I want people to really focus on whole cake is because Oda has done something with Carrot there that he has never done for any other living character in the serie. You can see that as the equilibrium to the lack of Carrot in Wano. For me, the balance stay the same because of the importance of those parameters.
I don't need to make anyone agree with me, I just need to make them understand that toxicity is not okay ^^
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I'll add somthing for everyone:
Don't be afraid to say "sorry I was wrong"
I feel like the bad faith is coming just because some people here can't accept defeat.. hey! Chill.. we are not on a ring...
I won't drag you down just because you come back on you words. It's okay to make mistakes.
If you are afraid of me sayin see you said you were wrong, so everything you say must be wrong.. Fear no more, I'm not like that.
Spoiler, i've already said that I was wrong here.
(Just trying to find a way to touch you guys, the bad faith needs to stop)
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