General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2
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Mind to post the panel?
Irrelevant.
During his introduction box, it was directly mentioned that people said that stuff about Kaido. People neither know Kaido's true strength nor other top tiers, they aren't capable of such knowledge, how else should they?
Hence it's as much credible as Luffy being 8m tall or Noland being a liar.
Irrelevant.
During his introduction box, it was directly mentioned that people said that stuff about Kaido. People neither know Kaido's true strength nor other top tiers, they aren't capable of such knowledge, how else should they?
Hence it's as much credible as Luffy being 8m tall or Noland being a liar.
Kaido isnt just luffy's enemy, hes wano's enemy and the supernovas enemy and the list goes on. The man has a lot of people that have him on their shit list. They are all coming for his ass, its pretty damn obvious to be honest. How many times should oda says or hints that kaido is the strongest before you guys take the hint? 6-7 more times?
The fact one is Luffy's role model and the other will be irrelevant after this arc. The fact after their short skirmish, Shanks showed up to Marineford seemingly unharmed (if Roger not fighting Big Mom counts, then so does this).
Every other arc villain is other people's enemy. How does this negate that not all arc villains can be compared? What's your point?
Every other arc villain is other people's enemy. How does this negate that not all arc villains can be compared? What's your point?
The panel of what? That thatch has seen his captain in action? The same captain that is in the same ship as him? Come on now youre just being disingenuous. ???? Im talking about thatch, you know, a yonko commander on whitebeards ship knowing what his captain can do and comparing him to kaido which im sure has met whitebeard before prior to his death considering his tendency to wander alone drunk. I cant wait for the flashback to come by to finally put all this to rest. Its getting tiring to have people this nitpicky. If it was any other character like shanks or mihawk or whatever i bet all of you would be fine with one hint or statement from Oda. Here we keep getting shit like this from oda and people still vehemently fight it.
Nope.
Whitebeard took off his medicatoin prior to Marineford, thus why he was unable to fight properly. That's it. It's quite clear you didn't know this.
That's irrelevant. Being strong isn't the same thing as being foolish.
Even Kaido had to lie and use trickery not to fight against Oden who almost defeated him. Dirty, but smart.
Sneaking into territory is no sign of weakness. It's simply intelligence.
Nope, not true.
You run when necessary regardless of ability to fight.
it's just intelligence and simply not wasting energy doing unnecessary things.
If you read the entirety of the Ace Novel, you'd know the rulers of the sea at the time were:
That's all it is, his physical durability and nigh immortality. Not being the strongest Pirate. It's the exact reason why he's referred to as strongest creature and not strongest Pirate.
Whitebeard took off his medicatoin prior to Marineford, thus why he was unable to fight properly. That's it. It's quite clear you didn't know this.
That's irrelevant. Being strong isn't the same thing as being foolish.
Even Kaido had to lie and use trickery not to fight against Oden who almost defeated him. Dirty, but smart.
Sneaking into territory is no sign of weakness. It's simply intelligence.
Nope, not true.
You run when necessary regardless of ability to fight.
it's just intelligence and simply not wasting energy doing unnecessary things.
If you read the entirety of the Ace Novel, you'd know the rulers of the sea at the time were:
- Roger
- Shiki
- Whitebeard
That's all it is, his physical durability and nigh immortality. Not being the strongest Pirate. It's the exact reason why he's referred to as strongest creature and not strongest Pirate.
Creature only refers to species.
He's not the strongest Pirate, just the strongest creature.
If you read the Magazine, this was already cleared up: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/06/24/one-piece-magazine-vol-6-new-information/
Reason why they refer to him as strongest creature is:
If you google "fastest creature on land", the answer you get is: Cheetah.
Creature refers to species and anatomy, not to an individual.
If they knew his race, they'd say X-Race which is from are the most powerful creatures; Kaido's race is unknown, so they identify him individually as the race he comes from and refer to him as strongest creature.
When they talk about the fastest land creature, they don't say it's Dexter the Cheetah, they just say Cheetah because it's down to anatomical structures and features, not individuality. Cheetahs are generally the fastest creatures on land, not individually, but generalisation.
He's not the strongest Pirate, just the strongest creature.
If you read the Magazine, this was already cleared up: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/06/24/one-piece-magazine-vol-6-new-information/
Reason why they refer to him as strongest creature is:
- They do not know his race.
If you google "fastest creature on land", the answer you get is: Cheetah.
Creature refers to species and anatomy, not to an individual.
If they knew his race, they'd say X-Race which is from are the most powerful creatures; Kaido's race is unknown, so they identify him individually as the race he comes from and refer to him as strongest creature.
When they talk about the fastest land creature, they don't say it's Dexter the Cheetah, they just say Cheetah because it's down to anatomical structures and features, not individuality. Cheetahs are generally the fastest creatures on land, not individually, but generalisation.
whitebeard is not the strongest pirate because of his individual strenght:
"-It is said that WB life accomplishment made him the strongest pirate, that he is the epitome of what it meant to be a pirate
(Rivaille’s note: basically, Kaido is stronger than WB as an individual fighter but WB is stronger than Kaido in term of piracy)"
"-It is said that WB life accomplishment made him the strongest pirate, that he is the epitome of what it meant to be a pirate
(Rivaille’s note: basically, Kaido is stronger than WB as an individual fighter but WB is stronger than Kaido in term of piracy)"
In the friggin novel it says that his state was stable up until thatch died.
Why would you be foolish if apparently you consider that to be as strong as roger or whitebeard you mid-high diff someone? It makes no sense. Im not saying roger lacks strength. Im saying they are all pretty close in strength. Kaido was a kid during god valley and was in his 30s during odens fight, roger was dead already. You are acting as if people strength is stagnant when multiple times now its been stated or hinted that kaido got stronger.
You keep saying its just his physical durability that hypes him up but provide nothing to counter point this. I provided you manga panels proving that his physical strength is as much if not more hyped yet you choose to ignore it.
His japanese calling is strongest living organism by the way, are humans unliving? I have to question why you would rather go by what you think is right instead of simply follow what the author tells you.
Fact is oda reviewed and was heavily involved with this novel and gave it the okay, as well as shueisha. Fact is, a yonko commander under whitebeard considered that whitebeard then was weaker than kaido. These are the facts. Anything else you say is headcanon at best.
Why would you be foolish if apparently you consider that to be as strong as roger or whitebeard you mid-high diff someone? It makes no sense. Im not saying roger lacks strength. Im saying they are all pretty close in strength. Kaido was a kid during god valley and was in his 30s during odens fight, roger was dead already. You are acting as if people strength is stagnant when multiple times now its been stated or hinted that kaido got stronger.
You keep saying its just his physical durability that hypes him up but provide nothing to counter point this. I provided you manga panels proving that his physical strength is as much if not more hyped yet you choose to ignore it.
His japanese calling is strongest living organism by the way, are humans unliving? I have to question why you would rather go by what you think is right instead of simply follow what the author tells you.
Fact is oda reviewed and was heavily involved with this novel and gave it the okay, as well as shueisha. Fact is, a yonko commander under whitebeard considered that whitebeard then was weaker than kaido. These are the facts. Anything else you say is headcanon at best.
Creature only refers to species.
He's not the strongest Pirate, just the strongest creature.
If you read the Magazine, this was already cleared up: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/06/24/one-piece-magazine-vol-6-new-information/
Reason why they refer to him as strongest creature is:
If you google "fastest creature on land", the answer you get is: Cheetah.
Creature refers to species and anatomy, not to an individual.
He's not the strongest Pirate, just the strongest creature.
If you read the Magazine, this was already cleared up: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/06/24/one-piece-magazine-vol-6-new-information/
Reason why they refer to him as strongest creature is:
- They do not know his race.
If you google "fastest creature on land", the answer you get is: Cheetah.
Creature refers to species and anatomy, not to an individual.
You keep making stuff up. You gotta stop.
Yes and the cheetah is the fastest, its faster than humans and faster than anything else. I dont get your point?
what is this nonsense ?
seibutsu means living thing: http://www.dictionnaire-japonais.com/w/11782/生物
his title means he is the strongest living thing or the strongest indivual alive... not "his species is the strongest"
seibutsu means living thing: http://www.dictionnaire-japonais.com/w/11782/生物
his title means he is the strongest living thing or the strongest indivual alive... not "his species is the strongest"
Being luffys role model doesnt mean hes his end goal mate. And please we know nothing of the context of what happened between shanks and kaido whereas we do know roger preferred sneaking into her territory and reading the poneglyph. They are incomparable.
And i guess since whitebeard died in marineford he was weaker than shanks then right?
Your points are all conjecture and speculation whereas im bringing facts, the one piece community is one of the only communities where people prefer to discard facts written in mange or otherwise and instead use their headcanon.
And i guess since whitebeard died in marineford he was weaker than shanks then right?
Your points are all conjecture and speculation whereas im bringing facts, the one piece community is one of the only communities where people prefer to discard facts written in mange or otherwise and instead use their headcanon.
Doesn't mean drugs didn't stabilise his conditoin even after Thatch died.
If you read the SBS which Oda answered himself... he said Medication kept his health stabilised.
That's what medicine does and is for.
If you read the SBS which Oda answered himself... he said Medication kept his health stabilised.
That's what medicine does and is for.
The dude just came in and is spouting pure nonsense, twisting things to fit his headcanon.
Kaido's title is "Saikyo no Seibutsu"
You can do a quick research on what Seibutsu mean
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/せいぶつ#Japanese
The ambiguity only come from people reading the English chapter and assuming the word "creature" is to be understood in the animal sense.
In japanese it clearly mean Kaido is the strongest living organism/thing and quite obviously humans are living things.
Kaido's title 100% put him above any human alive in the series, the only way Kaido isn't the strongest character is if his title is fake in the first place or if someone surpass him in the future.
Guys, just stop. Its okay for your favorite not to be the strongest. I used to believe shanks was the strongest because he was the only known yonko and luffy admired him, as well as what happened in marineford. But my view changed bit by bit with every bit of new information we got in the manga and from oda himself.
Right now i put him under big mom and kaido until proven otherwise.
Kaido's title is "Saikyo no Seibutsu"
You can do a quick research on what Seibutsu mean
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/せいぶつ#Japanese
living thing, life, organism, creature
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/seibutsu- seibutsu creature 2. seibutsu living things
In japanese it clearly mean Kaido is the strongest living organism/thing and quite obviously humans are living things.
Kaido's title 100% put him above any human alive in the series, the only way Kaido isn't the strongest character is if his title is fake in the first place or if someone surpass him in the future.
Guys, just stop. Its okay for your favorite not to be the strongest. I used to believe shanks was the strongest because he was the only known yonko and luffy admired him, as well as what happened in marineford. But my view changed bit by bit with every bit of new information we got in the manga and from oda himself.
Right now i put him under big mom and kaido until proven otherwise.
