General & Others 3rd Main Character: Nami or Sanji?

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Can you also not read that I said Leading ? Like Sanji giving out orders and Nami following him. Their entire sub group being called the Curly Hat Pirates. Sanji and Capone the two leaders confronting each other and talking it out.

Its obvious Sanji was the leader. I just dont understand the pathetic fans that try to dumb it down.

Yeah and that swirly pirates thing happened in an emergency, when they were in a battle situation, just like I said. Just like Sanji will follow Nami orders when it comes to navigating the ship.

 

[Chrono]

This isn't a Zoro or Luffy thread though

Yes but they are still relevant since were talking about the main characters of OP

Yeah and that swirly pirates thing happened in an emergency, when they were in a battle situation, just like I said. Just like Sanji will follow Nami orders when it comes to navigating the ship.

How is going to another island a battle situation ? How would it be different in any other circumastance. And how does that undermine the fact that he was still the leader.

Nami's job is navigating, so she would obviously call the shots. Just like how Sanji's job is cooking and he will be in control of what everyone eats.

 

[Geo]

Yes but they are still relevant since were talking about the main characters of OP

Not at all. Thread is quite specific that it is Sanji and Nami

 

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How is going to another island a battle situation ? How would it be different in any other circumastance. And how does that undermine the fact that he was still the leader.

Nami's job is navigating, so she would obviously call the shots. Just like how Sanji's job is cooking and he will be in control of what everyone eats.

Going to Zou was ordered by Luffy on the den den mushi after Nami convinced him to do so. And they were pursued by Doflamingo, an admiral and then an emperor ship, i think that a pretty battle situation.
When things arent battle related, Sanji doesn't lead. As seen when Luffy was down after Davy Back fight.

 

[Chrono]

Not at all. Thread is quite specific that it is Sanji and Nami

Yes and it is about who is the third main character. So we have to use Luffy and Zoro as reference.

Going to Zou was ordered by Luffy on the den den mushi after Nami convinced him to do so. And they were pursued by Doflamingo, an admiral and then an emperor ship, i think that a pretty battle situation.
When things arent battle related, Sanji doesn't lead. As seen when Luffy was down after Davy Back fight.

Yes but once going to Zou and adventuring their the battle situation was gone. And Sanji was still leading.

Again it doesnt matter if its a battle situation or not. When the times are serious and dangerous, Sanji will lead them.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Yall bitches, without Franky there wouldn't be a Thousand Sunny. Strawhat Pirates that are grounded, dont seem to be pirates. (Bluejam) Mawhahaha.

 

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Yes and it is about who is the third main character. So we have to use Luffy and Zoro as reference.



Yes but once going to Zou and adventuring their the battle situation was gone. And Sanji was still leading.

Again it doesnt matter if its a battle situation or not. When the times are serious and dangerous, Sanji will lead them.

It does matter because if he's really supposed to be second/third in command he would decide no matter the situation. Even in Zou he took the lead when enemies were present, yet you will remark that Nami (and chopper) was the key when it comes to saving the minks. ( those were literally the words of Wanda)

Also if we take Swirly Hats stuff seriously then I guess Usopp is above both Nami and Sanji in term of ranking, see even Nami is calling him captain

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[Chrono]

It does matter because if he's really supposed to be second/third in command he would decide no matter the situation. Even in Zou he took the lead when enemies were present, yet you will remark that Nami (and chopper) was the key when it comes to saving the minks. ( those were literally the words of Wanda)

Also if we take Swirly Hats stuff seriously then I guess Usopp is above both Nami and Sanji in term of ranking, see even Nami is calling him captain

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And whos to say he wouldnt ? Tf ? When the Curlyhats and the Minks were all friends and were cozying up together, Sanji was still in charge and told Nami and Chopper to stay behind and was ordering them. And it was on Sanji's orders. If you remember the flashback with Pedro and Sanji. We have Pedro begging Sanji ( not Nami) to save the dukes.

Wow using Nami being sarcastic as a point. Well done. Next time use better arguments, your making yourself look bad.

 

[Winsmoke Sanji]

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I wouldn't put too much stock on this since Nami is a notorious user of sarcasm throughout the series. (Nami saying she loves sanji as sarcasm and the Zoro worth 2000 men thing). Definitely different than the Curly Hat situation (The one where Nami came up with the temporary crew name indirectly placing Sanji in charge)

 

[OEKaneki]

Which she is, but doesn't make her more of a main character than others. Obviously, a character added later on the story won't have been one of its triggers no matter their importance.

Yeah, it actually does. Oda made a distinction with her and everyone else along with Luffy and Zoro. He clearly showed that she is more important, like the other two, and more of a main character.

She subordinated to Sanji when the crew went to Zou.

How interesting, because it was Nami that convinced Luffy to allow them to separate and Nami that made the most important decision of the arc, overruling Sanji who was hesitant to do so.

So is Usopp or Sanji.

Belligerently false. When Robin left the crew, it was Zoro and Nami’s reactions that were highlighted the most on the rooftop besides Luffy. When it came to allowing Usopp back to the crew, it was Zoro and Nami who’s opinions were contrasted against each other. When Sanji’s actions were in question on Zou, it was Nami’s opinion vs Zoro’s. When it came to making an incredibly important decision about provoking a Yonko by raiding her territory, it was Nami and Zoro who were present alongside Luffy as they learned why they needed to do so. Usopp and Sanji do not have that.

Is this proportional?

Nami is second in total panel time, after Luffy. And this was true even during the absence in Dressrosa.

Yes. I see no reason why Nami is more important than Usopp, for example.

Then you’re blind and need to reread the story.

Saying Nami is more important is one thing. But saying she is a leader and third in command is just petty, sad and delusional. We have clear examples of Sanji leading Nami and the crew. All of them being under his command. Nami is on the same boat as Chopper and Usopp.

I just dont see the correlation:namiriously:

Saying that she is a leader and third in command is clear to anybody who thinks that leadership is more than just physical strength, and who’s biggest evidence towards someone’s leadership isn’t a scenario in which another person was responsible for their departure and was responsible for the most important decision in the arc.

 

[Chrono]

Yeah, it actually does. Oda made a distinction with her and everyone else along with Luffy and Zoro. He clearly showed that she is more important, like the other two, and more of a main character.

How interesting, because it was Nami that convinced Luffy to allow them to separate and Nami that made the most important decision of the arc, overruling Sanji who was hesitant to do so.

Belligerently false. When Robin left the crew, it was Zoro and Nami’s reactions that were highlighted the most on the rooftop besides Luffy. When it came to allowing Usopp back to the crew, it was Zoro and Nami who’s opinions were contrasted against each other. When Sanji’s actions were in question on Zou, it was Nami’s opinion vs Zoro’s. When it came to making an incredibly important decision about provoking a Yonko by raiding her territory, it was Nami and Zoro who were present alongside Luffy as they learned why they needed to do so. Usopp and Sanji do not have that.

Nami is second in total panel time, after Luffy. And this was true even during the absence in Dressrosa.
Then you’re blind and need to reread the story.

Saying that she is a leader and third in command is clear to anybody who thinks that leadership is more than just physical strength, and who’s biggest evidence towards someone’s leadership isn’t a scenario in which another person was responsible for their departure and was responsible for the most important decision in the arc.

Stop speaking in gibberish and show me moments where she has actually led the SHs. And dont you dare put up any Navigation moments.

 

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I wouldn't put too much stock on this since Nami is a notorious user of sarcasm throughout the series. (Nami saying she loves sanji as sarcasm and the Zoro worth 2000 men thing). Definitely different than the Curly Hat situation (The one where Nami came up with the temporary crew name indirectly placing Sanji in charge)

Yep But same can be said in Dressrosa : When scared/in danger she hides behind strongest people in gag-like situation.
An admiral was throwing meteors at them and both her and Chopper were draw with the typical comical scared teary faces when they called themselves twirly hats.
Still, Sanji planned to turn back in Dressrosa while Nami thought going to Zou was the thing to do, and we know what ended up prevailing.

 

[Albino 👑]

Also what does 3rd main character even mean at this point
With 90% of the focus being on luffy the rest gotta stuggle trying to get 5%

Also imo it really depends on the arc
Depending on the arc some strawhats get more highlight than others

Like for example punk hazard the most important stawhats that arc were nami and chopper and they were arguably as relevant as tashigi that arc

 

[OEKaneki]

Stop speaking in gibberish and show me moments where she has actually led the SHs. And dont you dare put up any Navigation moments.

LMAO “show me when she leads, except some of the most prominent examples of her doing so because it puts my fav at a disadvantage because she, unlike he, is actually in a leadership role!”

 

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Also what does 3rd main character even mean at this point
With 90% of the focus being on luffy the rest gotta stuggle trying to get 5%

Also imo it really depends on the arc
Depending on the arc some strawhats get more highlight than others

Like for example punk hazard the most important stawhats that arc were nami and chopper and they were arguably as relevant as tashigi that arc

Lol, Luffy is indeed hogging the spotlight hard. others are getting crumbs

 

[Albino 👑]

Lol, Luffy is indeed hogging the spotlight hard. others are getting crumbs

Luffy has barely shared the spotlight since kuma separated them lol

All the way till arguably punk hazard/dressrosa were oda low key made law more relevant than everyone not named luffy. The emo was legit rivaling luffy in relevancy back then lol

 

[Chrono]

LMAO “show me when she leads, except some of the most prominent examples of her doing so because it puts my fav at a disadvantage because she, unlike he, is actually in a leadership role!”

So you only having Navigation moments where the woman is just doing her job. Right.....

Pathetic

 

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Sanji holds higher authority but Nami has more panel time.
IMO Nami is Oda's favorite, since she is the only strawhat that literally gets a PU every arc and never gets serious injures while being weak.

 

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Sanji holds higher authority but Nami has more panel time.
IMO Nami is Oda's favorite, since she is the only strawhat that literally gets a PU every arc and never gets serious injures while being weak.

Yo, not the only one thinking her potrayal in the new world is strange. Get PUs but no opponents.

 

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Yep But same can be said in Dressrosa : When scared/in danger she hides behind strongest people in gag-like situation.
An admiral was throwing meteors at them and both her and Chopper were draw with the typical comical scared teary faces when they called themselves twirly hats.
Still, Sanji planned to turn back in Dressrosa while Nami thought going to Zou was the thing to do, and we know what ended up prevailing.

Again the Doffy and Big Mom stuff on the Sunny that day is a different situation than Nami being sarcastic while replying to Usopp's game. Yes Nami's idea to go away with ceasar to zou is important but then it was finalized by Sanji and his plan to attack big mom. Luffy also accepted Sanji's request to do so and the Curly Hats (along with Nami) complied. I wouldn't say the Curly Hats thing was a gag since even after they had their own intro box