Character Discussion Trafalgar Law and Eustass Kid will both come back stronger in the story

Do you genuinely believe that Kid and Law are done being relevant?


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Zoro and sanji are both weaker than kid and law since they have been portrayed like that. and these 2 barely defeated big mom how on earth would Zoro and sanji have defeated big mom when it took them everything they had to defeat commanders who are much weaker than big mom? Their fight started way before zoro and sanjis and it ended after their's. Has Kid and Law's recent defeat against other yonkos completely brainwashed you?
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Since you stopped reading after the "Kid and Law are not weak" I assume that you believe otherwise right? Can you explain why you think so?
Lmao no way Zoro is getting one shotted by any yonkou. Zoro kills Law and kidd dies as collateral damages.
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Whoa, hold it there. :stop:

Three things:

1. Luffy, Law, and Kidd each has "Beaten a Yonko" under their resume while Zoro obviously never will. :jordanmf:

2. So maybe let's take what Lolda did with how different Kidd's resume and Zoro's resume are at face value because, no offense, you seemed to have read too much into "Law was the strategist and Kidd showed no CoC" thingy instead of their actual accomplishments, which truly matter in OP world and not how they win their fights. :handsup:

3. Not to mention that Kidd (and Law both) faced Yonkos again this arc (regardless of their lack of success) while Zoro did fuck all against CP0 and Seraphims, so...:jay-he:

Wano established that Luffy's peers (like Law, Kidd, Sabo, etc) are >>>> Luffy's crew in terms of importance. And please don't debate this since this is obviously canon considering I don't see any of Luffy's crew having a 3 billion bounty post-Wano nor are they talked to have toppled down the previous status quo with the emperors. Their bounties are also not revealed until after Wano is offer, and that, too, without actual bounty posters (unlike what was given to Kidd). :beanmean:

Lolda also made sure that Zoro played a less important role than both Kidd and Law in every arc they appear together:

Kidd and Law played more important roles than Zoro in Sabaody (I mean, getting no diffed by Kizaru and BFRed by Kuma are not Ws, of course).

Law played a more important role than Zoro in Punk Hazard and then in Dressrosa.

Kidd and Law again played more important roles than Zoro in Wano.

Which means, in both arcs Kidd appear with Zoro, Kidd plays the far more important role.

I think it's obvious that, post-TS, Lolda treats Luffy as the show, Law as the deuteragonist, and Kidd + Momoron + Sabo sharing the (somewhat distant) tritagonist roles.

If Kidd appears together with Zoro in an arc where the Admirals go down, what reason is there to believe Zoro will play a more important role than Kidd will? Power level? Zoro would have beaten a Yonko in Wano if that were true. :denzimote:

And the Law + Kidd parallel alone should tell you why Kidd will have the Ws that Law has if they appear together.

Law and Kidd appeared together in Sabaody and they both beat a Pacifista.

Law and Kidd appeared together in Wano and they both beat a Yonko.

If they appear together in an arc where Law gets involved with an Admiral and/or a Gorosei, Kidd will be there to beat an Admiral and/or a Gorosei, too. :datas:
What role kidd had more than zoro ?? He was locked during the whole arc. In Onigashima war, Zoro shined the most compared to law and kidd.

Even after Wano, no one considers kidd as legit so I don't know how you can come with that.
Even during rooftop when they were all together, the most impressive one was Zoro and Luffy so ... not kidd or law.

Replace kidd or Law by Zoro against BM, same end even more easier.
And yes Zoro will face any admiral (so a yonkou lvl from navy) even with kidd next to him. Because current Zoro is legit a beast.

Yonkou were never supposed to be Zoro's main opponents since they are PK contenders like luffy, kidd, law. So it's normal if they win or get defeated between them.

Lol at kidd and law defeating an admiral ...
They might face a Gorosei since they are weaker.
 
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Admirals are way too strong for Kidd to 1v1. Gorosei's strength is unknown but I don't think he will be involved against them.

As for Wano arc and post ts in general, to me it's clear Oda gave whatever role that Kidd was supposed to have to Law. Just look at the interactions during their fight against BM, Law is the strategist and kinda order him around. He is also a D which story wise is very relevant.
Oda gave Kidd CoC but he didn't use any type of haki during Wano and couldn't understand what Luffy was doing vs Kaido.
So I feel like he is just another SN just like Drake, Bege or Apoo.
Only Luffy, Zoro and Law are important in Oda's eyes as SN.


"Admirals are way too strong, I dont think He will be involved agaisnt the gorosei. Oda gave whatever role that kidd was supposed to have to Law, Only Luffy Zoro and Law are important, I feel like he is just another supernova" can you be more disingenous that ?

You clearly hate Kid. Yes admirals are too strong for him.... AND Law... AND Zoro. But that applies only right now. We have concrete proof that these guys grow at an incredibly fast rate that's directly in the story and one of those statements was mainly directed towards Kid(Shanks telling his crew not to underestimate hiim) also Kid is likely to be the one amongst them who will grow the most from now on since he has yet to achieve get advanced conquerors. Your bias cloud your judgemnt
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Lmao no way Zoro is getting one shotted by any yonkou. Zoro kills Law and kidd dies as collateral damages.
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What role kidd had more than zoro ?? He was locked during the whole arc. In Onigashima war, Zoro shined the most compared to law and kidd.

Even after Wano, no one considers kidd as legit so I don't know how you can come with that.
Even during rooftop when they were all together, the most impressive one was Zoro and Luffy so ... not kidd or law.

Replace kidd or Law by Zoro against BM, same end even more easier.
And yes Zoro will face any admiral (so a yonkou lvl from navy) even with kidd next to him. Because current Zoro is legit a beast.

Yonkou were never supposed to be Zoro's main opponents since they are PK contenders like luffy, kidd, law. So it's normal if they win or get defeated between them.

Lol at kidd and law defeating an admiral ...
They might face a Gorosei since they are weaker.
Believe it or not but Kid is actually tankier than zoro.Here is them getting hit by the same attack and having different reactions so you cannot even disagree with that in any good faith. If he was in the same situation and took kamusari plus an explosion in the face i dont see why he wouldnt get koed

"In Onigashima war, Zoro shined the most compared to law and kidd." The manga literally disagrees with you and its not even close lol
But he was more impressive than them on the rooftop that is true but they never went all out.

Also Replace zoro with either kid or law and they lose to big mom. You may not like this but its true Their fight lasted much longer than zoro's and they only won because they managed to get her out of the battlefield (which is also impressive) Zoro in koh along either of them would not have the stamina to keep up in the fight in order to ring her out (neither of them have anything to get her out of the battkefield anyways.) Much less defeat her. Zoro would be a downgrade inn that fight honestly. There is a reason Oda made them fight her and not zoro.
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Whoa, hold it there. :stop:

Three things:

1. Luffy, Law, and Kidd each has "Beaten a Yonko" under their resume while Zoro obviously never will. :jordanmf:

2. So maybe let's take what Lolda did with how different Kidd's resume and Zoro's resume are at face value because, no offense, you seemed to have read too much into "Law was the strategist and Kidd showed no CoC" thingy instead of their actual accomplishments, which truly matter in OP world and not how they win their fights. :handsup:

3. Not to mention that Kidd (and Law both) faced Yonkos again this arc (regardless of their lack of success) while Zoro did fuck all against CP0 and Seraphims, so...:jay-he:

Wano established that Luffy's peers (like Law, Kidd, Sabo, etc) are >>>> Luffy's crew in terms of importance. And please don't debate this since this is obviously canon considering I don't see any of Luffy's crew having a 3 billion bounty post-Wano nor are they talked to have toppled down the previous status quo with the emperors. Their bounties are also not revealed until after Wano is offer, and that, too, without actual bounty posters (unlike what was given to Kidd). :beanmean:

Lolda also made sure that Zoro played a less important role than both Kidd and Law in every arc they appear together:

Kidd and Law played more important roles than Zoro in Sabaody (I mean, getting no diffed by Kizaru and BFRed by Kuma are not Ws, of course).

Law played a more important role than Zoro in Punk Hazard and then in Dressrosa.

Kidd and Law again played more important roles than Zoro in Wano.

Which means, in both arcs Kidd appear with Zoro, Kidd plays the far more important role.

I think it's obvious that, post-TS, Lolda treats Luffy as the show, Law as the deuteragonist, and Kidd + Momoron + Sabo sharing the (somewhat distant) tritagonist roles.

If Kidd appears together with Zoro in an arc where the Admirals go down, what reason is there to believe Zoro will play a more important role than Kidd will? Power level? Zoro would have beaten a Yonko in Wano if that were true. :denzimote:

And the Law + Kidd parallel alone should tell you why Kidd will have the Ws that Law has if they appear together.

Law and Kidd appeared together in Sabaody and they both beat a Pacifista.

Law and Kidd appeared together in Wano and they both beat a Yonko.

If they appear together in an arc where Law gets involved with an Admiral and/or a Gorosei, Kidd will be there to beat an Admiral and/or a Gorosei, too. :datas:
I agree with you. that guy is being biased because Kid and Law got humbled by yonkos. Zoro could have a more important role in the future since he is one of the mcs and guaranteed to succeed but people are way too comfortable writing Kid and Law off just because they lost. The truth is that in 1 arc they accomplished more than what most people want to admit and try to downplay it which is honestly hilarious since the manga literally says otherwise

There is no doubt in my mind that they will still be relevant in the future once they come back stronger. Like you said it was the case in sabaody and in Wano
 
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Law will for most part. Law can low diff lujitora. Not sure about kidd. His story may have ended.
Kid’s story can’t have ended

It was said in Oden’s letter to Toki that the primary figures of the final war will take down kaido. So Kid has to do something important in the final war.

He is likely the same as Sabo, a man with a checkered fate because he’s connected to Ds.
 
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Lmao no way Zoro is getting one shotted by any yonkou. Zoro kills Law and kidd dies as collateral damages.
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What role kidd had more than zoro ?? He was locked during the whole arc. In Onigashima war, Zoro shined the most compared to law and kidd.

Even after Wano, no one considers kidd as legit so I don't know how you can come with that.
Even during rooftop when they were all together, the most impressive one was Zoro and Luffy so ... not kidd or law.

Replace kidd or Law by Zoro against BM, same end even more easier.
And yes Zoro will face any admiral (so a yonkou lvl from navy) even with kidd next to him. Because current Zoro is legit a beast.

Yonkou were never supposed to be Zoro's main opponents since they are PK contenders like luffy, kidd, law. So it's normal if they win or get defeated between them.

Lol at kidd and law defeating an admiral ...
They might face a Gorosei since they are weaker.
Firstly, I did not mean to imply that Zoro is weaker than either Kidd or Law because he is not.

Then again, I was not talking about them being stronger than Zoro. I was talking about how Lolda treating them as being more important than Zoro, which is not my headcanon but simply the way Lolda depicted it in the story.

Will Zoro face an Admiral? I am now much less sure of that possibility than I was 2 or 3 years ago.

The safest bet to say is that Zoro won't face an Admiral if Law/Kidd appears in the same arc and the Gorosei do not go down in that same arc, because Lolda is super careful at not letting Luffy's crew having the same clout as Luffy's peers (like in Wano) and that means, under this scenario, Law and Kidd alone will help Luffy beat the Admirals.

However, if the Admirals and the Gorosei go down in the same arc, then yes, I do agree there is a slight chance of Zoro facing an Admiral while Law/Kidd face the Gorosei since the Gorosei is more important for the narrative than the Admirals and therefore can maintain the hierarchy of importance that Lolda already set in Wano.

You see, power level has nothing to do with this. Lolda doesn't care for it, otherwise we would have seen Zoro beating a Yonko in Wano.



"Admirals are way too strong, I dont think He will be involved agaisnt the gorosei. Oda gave whatever role that kidd was supposed to have to Law, Only Luffy Zoro and Law are important, I feel like he is just another supernova" can you be more disingenous that ?

You clearly hate Kid. Yes admirals are too strong for him.... AND Law... AND Zoro. But that applies only right now. We have concrete proof that these guys grow at an incredibly fast rate that's directly in the story and one of those statements was mainly directed towards Kid(Shanks telling his crew not to underestimate hiim) also Kid is likely to be the one amongst them who will grow the most from now on since he has yet to achieve get advanced conquerors. Your bias cloud your judgemnt
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Believe it or not but Kid is actually tankier than zoro.Here is them getting hit by the same attack and having different reactions so you cannot even disagree with that in any good faith. If he was in the same situation and took kamusari plus an explosion in the face i dont see why he wouldnt get koed

"In Onigashima war, Zoro shined the most compared to law and kidd." The manga literally disagrees with you and its not even close lol
But he was more impressive than them on the rooftop that is true but they never went all out.

Also Replace zoro with either kid or law and they lose to big mom. You may not like this but its true Their fight lasted much longer than zoro's and they only won because they managed to get her out of the battlefield (which is also impressive) Zoro in koh along either of them would not have the stamina to keep up in the fight in order to ring her out (neither of them have anything to get her out of the battkefield anyways.) Much less defeat her. Zoro would be a downgrade inn that fight honestly. There is a reason Oda made them fight her and not zoro.
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I agree with you. that guy is being biased because Kid and Law got humbled by yonkos. Zoro could have a more important role in the future since he is one of the mcs and guaranteed to succeed but people are way too comfortable writing Kid and Law off just because they lost. The truth is that in 1 arc they accomplished more than what most people want to admit and try to downplay it which is honestly hilarious since the manga literally says otherwise

There is no doubt in my mind that they will still be relevant in the future once they come back stronger. Like you said it was the case in sabaody and in Wano
Very well, but two things I adamantly refuse to entertain:

1. The notion that Zoro might play a more important role than Kidd or Law in the future. Lolda made this very clear in Wano.

2. The notion that Kidd (or Law) is stronger than Zoro in any aspect of fighting. Lolda also made this very clear in Wano.

The reason of my refusal toward both is because, just like @Buusatan94, I no longer have any illusion about Lolda or this story. :cheers:
 
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If and when they come back they should be stronger than now. Both just took humiliating losses and were knocked out of the pk race. If that didn't motivate them to become stronger then they were never going to be that strong to being with. Kidd was over confident and was clearly not ready to fight a full powered yonko. I mean the guy only had 1 ship Was maybe the 3 or 4 strongest person there. Kidd should have retreated till he had a better advantage. Law should have retreated as well. He was match for a yonko and even with his crew being in their home environment it's clear they were not ready to face a yonko crew. The goal for law should have been to retreat not have a death match. Imo beating BM and the world government hyping them with a 3 billion bounty got to their had and made them think they were stronger than they were. Kidd who already loss to the rhp should have known how strong they were and there wasn't a need to fight them. Law after seeing how devastating BM and kaido were should have known not to try and face BB who was near them when he needed a lot of help to miracle beat just 1. Overall if they come back I think they should be near wano yamato at best or at least above all yc1 level characters.
 
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Firstly, I did not mean to imply that Zoro is weaker than either Kidd or Law because he is not.

Then again, I was not talking about them being stronger than Zoro. I was talking about how Lolda treating them as being more important than Zoro, which is not my headcanon but simply the way Lolda depicted it in the story.

Will Zoro face an Admiral? I am now much less sure of that possibility than I was 2 or 3 years ago.

The safest bet to say is that Zoro won't face an Admiral if Law/Kidd appears in the same arc and the Gorosei do not go down in that same arc, because Lolda is super careful at not letting Luffy's crew having the same clout as Luffy's peers (like in Wano) and that means, under this scenario, Law and Kidd alone will help Luffy beat the Admirals.

However, if the Admirals and the Gorosei go down in the same arc, then yes, I do agree there is a slight chance of Zoro facing an Admiral while Law/Kidd face the Gorosei since the Gorosei is more important for the narrative than the Admirals and therefore can maintain the hierarchy of importance that Lolda already set in Wano.

You see, power level has nothing to do with this. Lolda doesn't care for it, otherwise we would have seen Zoro beating a Yonko in Wano.



Very well, but two things I adamantly refuse to entertain:

1. The notion that Zoro might play a more important role than Kidd or Law in the future. Lolda made this very clear in Wano.

2. The notion that Kidd (or Law) is stronger than Zoro in any aspect of fighting. Lolda also made this very clear in Wano.

The reason of my refusal toward both is because, just like @Buusatan94, I no longer have any illusion about Lolda or this story. :cheers:
Wait why would you say that if kid and law were in the same arc as zoro they would play a bigger role, fight stronger opponents yet be weaker than him I dont get it?
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If and when they come back they should be stronger than now. Both just took humiliating losses and were knocked out of the pk race. If that didn't motivate them to become stronger then they were never going to be that strong to being with. Kidd was over confident and was clearly not ready to fight a full powered yonko. I mean the guy only had 1 ship Was maybe the 3 or 4 strongest person there. Kidd should have retreated till he had a better advantage. Law should have retreated as well. He was match for a yonko and even with his crew being in their home environment it's clear they were not ready to face a yonko crew. The goal for law should have been to retreat not have a death match. Imo beating BM and the world government hyping them with a 3 billion bounty got to their had and made them think they were stronger than they were. Kidd who already loss to the rhp should have known how strong they were and there wasn't a need to fight them. Law after seeing how devastating BM and kaido were should have known not to try and face BB who was near them when he needed a lot of help to miracle beat just 1. Overall if they come back I think they should be near wano yamato at best or at least above all yc1 level characters.
Idk how you missed that but Law did try to run away, reread chapter 1063.
As for Kid, once again I dont know how you missed that but he is just like luffy personality wise he is not backing down from a fight and running away no matter how bad the odds are. In chapter 1076 Shanks had Rockstar deliver an ultimatum to Kid. "Hand over your poneglyph and leave or we are fighting". Knowing his personality Kid was not going to just hand over his poneglyph nor was he going to run away because it was not an option and its not his mindset. one thing I agree on though is that Kid probably got cocky after his fight against big mom
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Kid’s story can’t have ended

It was said in Oden’s letter to Toki that the primary figures of the final war will take down kaido. So Kid has to do something important in the final war.

He is likely the same as Sabo, a man with a checkered fate because he’s connected to Ds.

The letter says that the pirates leading the next generation will be coming to take down Kaido. But obviously after seeing how stacked the wg's side is they will also involved in their defeat that's pretty obvious in my eyes
 
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Wait why would you say that if kid and law were in the same arc as zoro they would play a bigger role, fight stronger opponents yet be weaker than him I dont get it?
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Idk how you missed that but Law did try to run away, reread chapter 1063.
As for Kid, once again I dont know how you missed that but he is just like luffy personality wise he is not backing down from a fight and running away no matter how bad the odds are. In chapter 1076 Shanks had Rockstar deliver an ultimatum to Kid. "Hand over your poneglyph and leave or we are fighting". Knowing his personality Kid was not going to just hand over his poneglyph nor was he going to run away because it was not an option and its not his mindset. one thing I agree on though is that Kid probably got cocky after his fight against big mom
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The letter says that the pirates leading the next generation will be coming to take down Kaido. But obviously after seeing how stacked the wg's side is they will also involved in their defeat that's pretty obvious in my eyes
Read what Oden wrote to Toki at the end of the oden flashback.

He predicts that the people who will fight the final war will also bring down Kaido
 
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Read what Oden wrote to Toki at the end of the oden flashback.

He predicts that the people who will fight the final war will also bring down Kaido
i wont lie to you idk where to find that. Can you tell me the chapter number lmao

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Would you mind explaining what you mean by that?
 
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Believe it or not but Kid is actually tankier than zoro.Here is them getting hit by the same attack and having different reactions so you cannot even disagree with that in any good faith. If he was in the same situation and took kamusari plus an explosion in the face i dont see why he wouldnt get koed

"In Onigashima war, Zoro shined the most compared to law and kidd." The manga literally disagrees with you and its not even close lol
But he was more impressive than them on the rooftop that is true but they never went all out.

Also Replace zoro with either kid or law and they lose to big mom. You may not like this but its true Their fight lasted much longer than zoro's and they only won because they managed to get her out of the battlefield (which is also impressive) Zoro in koh along either of them would not have the stamina to keep up in the fight in order to ring her out (neither of them have anything to get her out of the battkefield anyways.) Much less defeat her. Zoro would be a downgrade inn that fight honestly. There is a reason Oda made them fight her and not zoro.
"As much you don't like it", lol stop. Kidd got one shotted by Shanks while Zoro stopped Big Mom and Kaido's combo that's whole different story.
At the end of Wano, Zoro received x2 of all damages after the medecine and still alive.
That's what happened in the manga. No one can one shot Zoro even 2 yonkou, don't forget it.

You really took a manga panel where Kidd smiled and Zoro didn't to prove you are right ? That bait lmao.
Should I show you the panel where Kidd said after Hakai "Thank you roronoa ? It was so impressive !" Should I argue that panel alone is enough to say Zoro >> Kidd ?

Zoro with KOH is being a downgrade ? Ok mate, dude just destroyed the best dura in one piece but somehow he won't be able to hurt and defeat big mom in 2 vs 1 when even kidd did something with some metals :suresure:
The reason why Zoro didn't face Big Mom is only because of King, someone Kidd had 0 chance to defeat.

You are just biased af. Jeez good thing we got rid of that character with a fat L ...
 
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Two of my former top 3 favorite characters, as such I can tell you that they can come back stronger but won’t be doing more than Zoro and Luffy ever again. Law will definitely play another another big role down the line but definitely not Kid with how Oda has treated him thus far. Best chance Kid is getting significant panel time is in an arc with a smalller cast involved, even then I’m not sure what to expect.
 
"As much you don't like it", lol stop. Kidd got one shotted by Shanks while Zoro stopped Big Mom and Kaido's combo that's whole different story.
At the end of Wano, Zoro received x2 of all damages after the medecine and still alive.
That's what happened in the manga. No one can one shot Zoro even 2 yonkou, don't forget it.

You really took a manga panel where Kidd smiled and Zoro didn't to prove you are right ? That bait lmao.
Should I show you the panel where Kidd said after Hakai "Thank you roronoa ? It was so impressive !" Should I argue that panel alone is enough to say Zoro >> Kidd ?

Zoro with KOH is being a downgrade ? Ok mate, dude just destroyed the best dura in one piece but somehow he won't be able to hurt and defeat big mom in 2 vs 1 when even kidd did something with some metals :suresure:
The reason why Zoro didn't face Big Mom is only because of King, someone Kidd had 0 chance to defeat.

You are just biased af. Jeez good thing we got rid of that character with a fat L ...
I compared zoro and kid both not blocking an attack and them clearly having 2 different reactions to prove that kid is tankier. I used that to say that if zoro was put in the same circumstances as kid agaisnt shanks meaning not blocking he would have gotten koed too this is a fact i am not sure how you can disagtee on that. using zoro blocking hakai is impressive but irrelevant to the debate. And I said zoro and law would not be able to ring out ot much less defeat big mom because zoro in koh would not last long enough hence why i said it would be a downgrade. How am I being biased when I am using what the narrative clearly suggest? Why do zoro fans always get defensive when someone doesn't praise zoro?
 
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