Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Is a hoax to silence cririciism of islam and conflate it with racism despite islam not being a race.

Funny, that was EXACTLY my point of view when I was being islamophobic and a promotor of New atheism ideologies

Thinking that racism is only about races is a huge ignorance of the sociology of racism. I won't debate on that here. At least not right now.

And no. Its not meant to silence the criticizism of Islam at least not in the progressive areas.

Call it xenophobic if thats what you are going for, islamophobic is a trash ass term

Its just the word used by researcher when talking about oppressions against muslim. You can't deny the term if you want, but it will be used anyway.

 

[Zenos7]

What I'm saying is that:
- New atheism don't take into account the sociological impact that the bashing of islam has against believer in our current historical context
- New atheism, that started has a form of reject of all religion has derived into a lot of toxic belief system and behaviors (the non equivalence of the attack between Islam and other religions, scientism, eugenism, transphobia, racism etc.)

So one cant criticise islam because it has negative effects on muslims as a minority in our society?

Thats beyond retarded

And ironically enough in his antireligious works dawkins mostly talks about christianity because he has more knowledge about it.

 

[Logiko]

So one cant criticise islam because it has negative effects on muslims as a minority in our society?

You can criticize Islam. But do it correctly and without attacking other people.

But in reality. In our current sociological and political context, we should let the critic of Islam to actual muslims themself. Being muslim doesn't mean that you can't be progressist. I know muslims that are more radical and progressist leftists than I am.

And ironically enough in his antireligious works dawkins mostly talks about christianity because he has more knowledge about it.

That's why he said that he would rather live in a christian driven world than an islamic driven world. Of course mate..

 

[Zenos7]

Also I have never heard a new atheist use eugenics, and tf do trans people have to do with atheism and religion?

1) logiko will misrepresent what dawkins said and what eugenics is to make this point
2) trans people dont have anything to do with atheism and dawkins talks about it because of biology

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That's the same with Muslim and Christians. The first are under oppression in the west, the second are not.

So we should not treat them the same way.

Islam =/= muslims

And offense is still taken, not given

 

[Logiko]

1) logiko will misrepresent what dawkins said and what eugenics is to make this point

1 - Zenos doesn't understand the point about Dawkins being Eugenistic in the first place
2 - Zenos doesn't understand the link that can be made by eugenists and scientism ideologues to attack trans rights

 

[Zenos7]

FOCUSING negatively on Islam (and therefore muslim, by attacking the construction of mosquee). This is therefore not rationnal AT ALL. And plainly racist.

Criticising the construction of mosques is cultural/political and has nothing to do with criticising religion

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It's actually perfectly fine to poke fun at Christianity, but every other religion is frowned upon...for whatever reason....

Identity politics and peoples inability to differentiate between an ideology and its adherents

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I make fun of all religions, so does 70% of atheists out there.

The only people afaik in atheistic online circles who legit ONLY talk about islam are ex-muslims

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God oppression olympics is so stupid, specially considering most muslims are anti western values

And im sure this is, among actual racism of course, one of the reasos for people to be against immigration.

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I wonder if strict public followers of world religions will ever be cancelled for abusive speech against minority religions.

Ye lets cancel the quran for calling jews and christians the worst of creatures

 

[Logiko]

Criticising the construction of mosques is cultural/political and has nothing to do with criticising religion

Indeed. That's why its problematic.

 

[Zenos7]

Aborting fetuses with Down syndrome is eugenics so is doctors recommending parents to abort children with severe mutations.

It isnt, because eugenics is about selecting desirable and heritable traits. Down syndrome isnt heritable, so not aborting fetuses with down syndrome wont result in more people with down syndrome if they reproduce

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I’m literally giving you the truth. For a guy who talks about science you sure like to ignore it when it goes against your narrative

This

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is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.

Isnt that true about asian people as well?

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And no. Its not meant to silence the criticizism of Islam at least not in the progressive areas.

It is, and very common

 

[Logiko]

It isnt, because eugenics is about selecting desirable and heritable traits. Down syndrome isnt heritable, so not aborting fetuses with down syndrome wont result in more people with down syndrome if they reproduce

Sigh. Some people should really considered thinking before writing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

 

[Zenos7]

But do it correctly and without attacking other people.

I dont attack other people, that doesnt really matter because they take criticism of their religion personal in alot of cases

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That's why he said that he would rather live in a christian driven world than an islamic driven world. Of course mate

If thats the only options in a hypothetical scenario, id agree with that as well.

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we should let the critic of Islam to actual muslims themself. Being muslim doesn't mean that you can't be progressist. I know muslims that are more radical and progressist leftists than I am.

Worked really well for imam tawhidi, oh wait. . . .

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Indeed. That's why its problematic.

I dont care about mosques either, but i know many people who are against it despite not being racists

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Woof.. You know that that one of the base of nazism right ?

Do you even understand the ignorance of what you just said ?

@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...

In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.

It really depends on the motivation tho.

Should humanity ban every single thing the nazi's ever came up with? Nazi = bad therefore anything they thought of is bad as well? this is childish af. "Bad people think dogs good therefore dogs bad" type of logic

If you think Eugenics is bad, tell my why you think so. It shouldn't be because "nazi think its good"

You're equating eugenics with stuff we already do and you don't even realize it. Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process

💯

Take a political class. It might MAYBE help you understand the problematic things that you are saying.

You know I'm picturing this kind of conversation:

Person 1: Omg I'm pregnant🤩. I'm so happy.
Person 2(friend /relative): Congratulations! I wish you a happy and healthy baby!
Expecting mom: *stops dead in her tracks* you wish for WHAT?!?? You want my baby to be healthy?!!?😡😡 You shitty human being you're so ableist, never talk to me again
*friendship ends immediately*

10 years later, the kid combs through their parents' old photos, spots person 2 and asks parent who that is.
Mom: oh that person? We used to be best friends but they wanted you to be born without any health issues, can you believe it? I wish you were born with a life defining disability instead because I love you so much 💗💗💗💗

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Okamakama]

It's actually perfectly fine to poke fun at Christianity, but every other religion is frowned upon...for whatever reason....

I donno man, it's almost like... there is a bias. Nah, couldn't be - progressives (more often to be the extreme athiest types) are too enlightened to hold any biases... or fears of repercussion from other religion's adherents...

 

[Herrera95]

I donno man, it's almost like... there is a bias. Nah, couldn't be - progressives (more often to be the extreme athiest types) are too enlightened to hold any biases... or fears of repercussion from other religion's adherents...

Some French people learned it the hard way

 

[Bepo]

I don't live in the US but from what I've seen is that the border crisis is getting out of control, it's also insane how the msm trivializes the problems. I don't know, maybe someone living in the US can elaborate.

 

[Herrera95]

I don't live in the US but from what I've seen is that the border crisis is getting out of control, it's also insane how the msm trivializes the problems. I don't know, maybe someone living in the US can elaborate.

Not sure about the border crisis in US I only know they are Biden voters. What I know is the border crisis in Europe that is going wild.

 

[Okamakama]

Some French people learned it the hard way

And what a stain on humanity that was.

 

[Roo]

And im sure this is, among actual racism of course, one of the reasos for people to be against immigration.

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Well generally speaking I am pro immigration, but if said immigrants are anti the country’s values they should not be allowed in. If you’re immigrating to a country you should buy in to the core values.

America that is often the case. I don’t think you’ll find more patriotic people than 1st generation immigrants

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Isn't that true about asian people as well?

yes, I think more specifically Indian and Chinese Americans

 

[Malio]

All in 1 day, April 1st, 2024. The European Nazis in Palestine have targeted aid workers, successfully murdering 7 of them intentionally. Bombed an embassy in a foreign country, the 2nd in history to do this, america being the other one (surprise surprise). Left Al Shifa hospital destroyed and burnt (after swearing that they don't target hospitals and that it was Khamas that bombed the first hospital attacked in this genocide), leaving behind hundreds of mutilated, burnt and eaten bodies of children, women, elderly, patients nurses, and doctors.

Will the countries whose citizens were targeted and assassinated do anything about this/ i doubt it

And no this isn't an April Fools joke either.

 

[Uncle Van]

I don't live in the US but from what I've seen is that the border crisis is getting out of control, it's also insane how the msm trivializes the problems. I don't know, maybe someone living in the US can elaborate.

The U.S. Election is this year and a common practice for the Democratic party is to become even more lax on illegal immigration for their votes. They pump out millions of dollars outta thin air to add them, and allow them to vote without being a registered citizen. Cities like New York getting hit pretty bad.

 

[Ravagerblade]

The U.S. Election is this year and a common practice for the Democratic party is to become even more lax on illegal immigration for their votes. They pump out millions of dollars outta thin air to add them, and allow them to vote without being a registered citizen. Cities like New York getting hit pretty bad.

Which in reality makes all those "Votes" illegitimate.