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Aborting fetuse with Down syndrom IS eugenistic yes.
Woof.. You know that that one of the base of nazism right ?
Do you even understand the ignorance of what you just said ?
@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
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You were not talking about "foundamental islam" here but "most muslims": >>>
Don't change your goal post mid game or we will have a problem.
If it relies on nothing but a stereotype then most probably yes.
You don't talk about science here. You talk out of your a*s without sources or sociological evidences.
Again, we are talking about the west. Stay on subject. Islam being popular doesn't mean that they are not oppressed. You are making a fallacious correlation.
Woof.. You know that that one of the base of nazism right ?
Do you even understand the ignorance of what you just said ?
@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
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You were not talking about "foundamental islam" here but "most muslims": >>>
Don't change your goal post mid game or we will have a problem.
If it relies on nothing but a stereotype then most probably yes.
You don't talk about science here. You talk out of your a*s without sources or sociological evidences.
Again, we are talking about the west. Stay on subject. Islam being popular doesn't mean that they are not oppressed. You are making a fallacious correlation.
And?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_inventions_of_the_Nazi_period
Should humanity ban every single thing the nazi's ever came up with? Nazi = bad therefore anything they thought of is bad as well? this is childish af. "Bad people think dogs good therefore dogs bad" type of logic
If you think Eugenics is bad, tell my why you think so. It shouldn't be because "nazi think its good"
No, you're re arranging the definition of eugenics so I'm playing along. idgaf if some priviliged kid from france thinks im a nazi.
The premise is simple, fetuses with severe mutations/diseases should probably be aborted. If we find a fetus that is going to be born with 0 organs aside from the heart and brain, will you be morally against aborting it? If so then I guess you're consistent. I imagine telling that artificial child he's legitimate is worth the issues they will be going through.
You're equating eugenics with stuff we already do and you don't even realize it. Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process.
Most Islam is fundamental...
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion#:~:text=Amongst Jews, in 2016, Modern,income of $59,000 in 2016).
it is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.
And I refuse your premise because it's flimsy af. Oppression olympics is brain dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_inventions_of_the_Nazi_period
Should humanity ban every single thing the nazi's ever came up with? Nazi = bad therefore anything they thought of is bad as well? this is childish af. "Bad people think dogs good therefore dogs bad" type of logic
If you think Eugenics is bad, tell my why you think so. It shouldn't be because "nazi think its good"
No, you're re arranging the definition of eugenics so I'm playing along. idgaf if some priviliged kid from france thinks im a nazi.
@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
You're equating eugenics with stuff we already do and you don't even realize it. Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process.
Most Islam is fundamental...
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion#:~:text=Amongst Jews, in 2016, Modern,income of $59,000 in 2016).
it is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.
And I refuse your premise because it's flimsy af. Oppression olympics is brain dead
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oh boi...
What you don't understand is that its not the premisse. We are not talking about children that will be born with a failed organ but people with Down syndrom.
Please - if being very kind here - don't equate the two.
Take a political class. It might MAYBE help you understand the problematic things that you are saying.
Oh boi..
Now we are talking.
You see the difference between stating random stuff and stating stuff with sources.
No those numbers are NOT "well known". I did not for example knew them. (and it only equates for US jews here).
What it says is that I don't give info without evidences. Note that I did not refused your assertion - you missed that - I only HOLD my judgment to avoid falling into stereotype and problematic behavior.
Which is something you are doing without problem.
If you don't know the problem. Don't talk about the problem.
What you don't understand is that its not the premisse. We are not talking about children that will be born with a failed organ but people with Down syndrom.
Please - if being very kind here - don't equate the two.
Take a political class. It might MAYBE help you understand the problematic things that you are saying.
Oh boi..
Now we are talking.
You see the difference between stating random stuff and stating stuff with sources.
No those numbers are NOT "well known". I did not for example knew them. (and it only equates for US jews here).
What it says is that I don't give info without evidences. Note that I did not refused your assertion - you missed that - I only HOLD my judgment to avoid falling into stereotype and problematic behavior.
Which is something you are doing without problem.
If you don't know the problem. Don't talk about the problem.
Yeah that is true tbh
Me and most of my friends are college educated. In fact I think most of them either have or are pursuing a post graduate degree.
I’m yet to start one. Taking a break to improve my health before I go for my masters.
In there are very few Jews that I know who don’t have a pretty decent educational background
Me and most of my friends are college educated. In fact I think most of them either have or are pursuing a post graduate degree.
I’m yet to start one. Taking a break to improve my health before I go for my masters.
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In there are very few Jews that I know who don’t have a pretty decent educational background
Is a hoax to silence cririciism of islam and conflate it with racism despite islam not being a race.
Call it xenophobic if thats what you are going for, islamophobic is a trash ass term
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro.
Sucks to be you, with me its the other way around. I never cared for what people did with the religion (way too diverse), my harsh criricism of islam grew with more knowledge.
Call it xenophobic if thats what you are going for, islamophobic is a trash ass term
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Whatever helps you sleep at night bro.
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Sucks to be you, with me its the other way around. I never cared for what people did with the religion (way too diverse), my harsh criricism of islam grew with more knowledge.
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Funny, that was EXACTLY my point of view when I was being islamophobic and a promotor of New atheism ideologies
Thinking that racism is only about races is a huge ignorance of the sociology of racism. I won't debate on that here. At least not right now.
And no. Its not meant to silence the criticizism of Islam at least not in the progressive areas.
Its just the word used by researcher when talking about oppressions against muslim. You can't deny the term if you want, but it will be used anyway.
Thinking that racism is only about races is a huge ignorance of the sociology of racism. I won't debate on that here. At least not right now.
And no. Its not meant to silence the criticizism of Islam at least not in the progressive areas.
Its just the word used by researcher when talking about oppressions against muslim. You can't deny the term if you want, but it will be used anyway.
You can criticize Islam. But do it correctly and without attacking other people.
But in reality. In our current sociological and political context, we should let the critic of Islam to actual muslims themself. Being muslim doesn't mean that you can't be progressist. I know muslims that are more radical and progressist leftists than I am.
That's why he said that he would rather live in a christian driven world than an islamic driven world. Of course mate..
But in reality. In our current sociological and political context, we should let the critic of Islam to actual muslims themself. Being muslim doesn't mean that you can't be progressist. I know muslims that are more radical and progressist leftists than I am.
That's why he said that he would rather live in a christian driven world than an islamic driven world. Of course mate..
Criticising the construction of mosques is cultural/political and has nothing to do with criticising religion
Identity politics and peoples inability to differentiate between an ideology and its adherents
The only people afaik in atheistic online circles who legit ONLY talk about islam are ex-muslims
And im sure this is, among actual racism of course, one of the reasos for people to be against immigration.
Ye lets cancel the quran for calling jews and christians the worst of creatures
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Identity politics and peoples inability to differentiate between an ideology and its adherents
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The only people afaik in atheistic online circles who legit ONLY talk about islam are ex-muslims
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And im sure this is, among actual racism of course, one of the reasos for people to be against immigration.
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Ye lets cancel the quran for calling jews and christians the worst of creatures
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It isnt, because eugenics is about selecting desirable and heritable traits. Down syndrome isnt heritable, so not aborting fetuses with down syndrome wont result in more people with down syndrome if they reproduce
This
Isnt that true about asian people as well?
It is, and very common
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Isnt that true about asian people as well?
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It is, and very common
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Sigh. Some people should really considered thinking before writing...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
I dont attack other people, that doesnt really matter because they take criticism of their religion personal in alot of cases
If thats the only options in a hypothetical scenario, id agree with that as well.
Worked really well for imam tawhidi, oh wait. . . .
I dont care about mosques either, but i know many people who are against it despite not being racists
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If thats the only options in a hypothetical scenario, id agree with that as well.
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Worked really well for imam tawhidi, oh wait. . . .
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I dont care about mosques either, but i know many people who are against it despite not being racists
It really depends on the motivation tho.
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You know I'm picturing this kind of conversation:
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You know I'm picturing this kind of conversation:
Person 1: Omg I'm pregnant🤩. I'm so happy.
Person 2(friend /relative): Congratulations! I wish you a happy and healthy baby!
Expecting mom: *stops dead in her tracks* you wish for WHAT?!??
You want my baby to be healthy?!!?😡😡 You shitty human being you're so ableist, never talk to me again
*friendship ends immediately*
10 years later, the kid combs through their parents' old photos, spots person 2 and asks parent who that is.
Mom: oh that person? We used to be best friends but they wanted you to be born without any health issues, can you believe it? I wish you were born with a life defining disability instead because I love you so much 💗💗💗💗
Person 2(friend /relative): Congratulations! I wish you a happy and healthy baby!
Expecting mom: *stops dead in her tracks* you wish for WHAT?!??
You want my baby to be healthy?!!?😡😡 You shitty human being you're so ableist, never talk to me again*friendship ends immediately*
10 years later, the kid combs through their parents' old photos, spots person 2 and asks parent who that is.
Mom: oh that person? We used to be best friends but they wanted you to be born without any health issues, can you believe it? I wish you were born with a life defining disability instead because I love you so much 💗💗💗💗
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