It happened with hakai already. Luffy saw it. But massive aoe, no time to dodge.
How big was Ceaser's explosion? I don't even remember that arc tbh, aside from few key moments.
King's explosion was comparable to the size of Onigashima castle, and we saw how long Luffy was running around it, trying to get to the rooftop.
Yeah no, nobody is running away from that within 5 secs unless you're Kizaru or Enel or something.
Sure, I didn't say anything denying that.
My point was simply that for defensive/dodging purposes, logias use it the best because of the flexibility with their body.
Enel with armament haki and future sight is admiral level.
Luffy can dodge hakai. He warned everyone else. He could have moved instead of talking. Also Hakai didn’t hit him so you can’t prove that he couldn’t dodge it.
Ceasers explosion was likely smaller than Kings. But Luffy running around Onigashima is not an accurate representation of his speed. He can move much faster he was conserving his energy for the Kaido fight.
After hakai Luffy was already in Kaidos face attacking.
Why not though ? Aren't you arguing it is ''overlooked'' ? So if Haki specialists don't use it and let their ''friends'' die what good is it for ? Dodge a hit that they would have dodged anyway because they are faster ?
The other thing that makes it ''overlooked'' is the fact that at the slightest fluster, it doesn't exist anymore...
Let’s be honest here, the main reason why we rarely see FS used is because Oda doesn’t know how to write around it. This is the same reason why we barely see characters using even just normal CoO when they obviously should
Mihawk doesn't have FS.
I will never wank a trashy ability like that considering it loses to basic CoO.
It is Oden of haki abilities, another Oda's failure to make it relevant.
Having future sight doesn't take away the opponent's reflex and basic observation haki.
Once you act upon the future, you change it.
It is just a minor improvement in ability to land attacks.
Strength of future sight is dodging/countering.
This is why pre FS Luffy could dodge/counter attacks from Katakuri, but couldn't land attacks on Katakuri.
BM is a special case tbh.
She does have decent reflex, could fight 1v2 against Law/Kid. However, I don't think her reflex is good enough to deal with G4/G5 Luffy, Shanks etc.
Yeah, but it works in Kaido's character who wants a physical fight.
Him dodging all of Snakeman's attacks after using it, was big hype for future sight really.
Katakuri should still be faster than pre FS Luffy. He should be able to tell which way he would move and hit him anyway. He was reacting to the even faster Snakeman after all.
There’s no reason that it should work for dodging but not attacking. It’s just seeing several seconds into the future.
Tbh he shouldn't have introduced it from the onset or should have put more limits
You rarely never sees this kind of ability in stories because it means you are close to invincible
Like Lunarian invincibilty which was poorely treated by Oda (we still don't know why King choosed to desactivate his invincibilty in the final clash, seraphims Can use 1 day straight)
To me it seems like people over look exactly how powerful Future Sight (“FS”)is. If a character is proficient is FS they will be impossible to hit unless you meet a certain speed threshold and they’ll land attacks on their opponents much easier.
It doesn’t seem like this power is valued much in the community and it’s likely because Zoro or Sanji don’t have it. People come up with head cannon ways around it and state shit like you just need AOE attacks to bypass it yet it has never been an AOE attack that actually hit an FS user who tried to dodge it.
So without headcannon or agenda why don’t you guys value this ability?
People undervalue this not because of Zoro or Sanji not having it, but its because people like Noodle who overwank it, to the point if the user had FS u will never land a hit on the user. But what we've shown is wrong with their logic. Thats one of the Reason.
Also even if u had FS to see future it doesn't mean u can guarantee to hit or Dodge ur Opp, example of this is Sanji and Luffy
Kata use FS on Sanji seeing sum future where he doesn't dodge the "bean", then Kata Launch the bean to Sanji and then Sanji easily Dodge it.
Luffy despite having FS and used it against Kaido is really useful, but he still got hit because he wasn't faster to dodge the attack.
The only One who mastering FS is Shanks, Luffy and Kata need to be calm to be able to use FS, Shanks despite being Angry so sudden and worry still able to do it.
All this mean FS is an ability to see a future that MAY be goin to happen
Quite Powerful and Useful, but still had sum flaw
Like Lunarian invincibilty which was poorely treated by Oda (we still don't know why King choosed to desactivate his invincibilty in the final clash, seraphims Can use 1 day straight)
To me its because King use his Trump Card, and needed the Lunarian flame to be able to do it.
i mean every attack needs to had sum risk, just like Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji etc
Even if King activated his flames, He can still get attacked by AdvCoC User like Zoro implying on that chapter.
Probably also the reason why King tribe gone extinct tbh since All Gorosei may able to use AdvCoC and imo they are part of the one who genocide them.
But the Lunarian invincibility was getting their mojo back, since G4 Luffy couldn't able to land a meaningful hit and even saying that those seraphim kinda like Kaido since they always get up despite any attack.
Because it's the "weakest" form of advanced Haki. It stems back down to basic Observation also being not as good as the other forms.
Not only does it requires a constant calm mind, it's also more taxing since it always has to be on to make the most of it.
Since it's also limited to the user's field of view, it doesn't protect against surprise attacks/hidden enemies.
One main reason really, barely any character has it, and people generally downplay something their favorite characters lack, like AssmiraL fans constantly treating ACoC as weak and irrelevant because they don't have it, and since Zoro especially doesn't have it, that means it's considered a garbage unnecessary ability by them and Ztards and their agendas thrive here, so it appears like a common take.
Mihawk doesn't have FS.
I will never wank a trashy ability like that considering it loses to basic CoO.
It is Oden of haki abilities, another Oda's failure to make it relevant.
Katakuri should still be faster than pre FS Luffy. He should be able to tell which way he would move and hit him anyway. He was reacting to the even faster Snakeman after all.
There’s no reason that it should work for dodging but not attacking. It’s just seeing several seconds into the future.
- pre FS Luffy had no problem dodging attacks from Katakuri
- pre FS Luffy couldn't land a single hit on Katakuri
And if we think logically, it makes sense too.
If I saw a future and throw out a punch, the moment I throw out the punch that future changes.
Me seeing the future doesn't stop the opponent from reflexively reacting on it.
It matters more in defence, because attacking usually involves planning even before you throw out a punch/attack.
Seeing where the opponent throws out the punch just before he does it, makes it much easier to dodge/block than reflexively dodging the attack.
Of course your perception should be fast enough to comprehend it, but as a standalone it is a straight up significant buff to dodging/countering, a higher degree than landing attacks.
Simply because dodging/blocking involves a much more reflexive/real-time action than throwing a punch/attack.
One thing I will agree on though, is that base/G2 Luffy isn't fast enough to dodge/counter snakeman level attack speed, even if he can perceive it.
Peak Katakuri had attack speed comparable to snakeman, so Katakuri wasn't giving it his all in that fight. THAT is on Oda. Not the dodging without FS aspect in itself.
Why did Shanks need to develop future-sight/observation haki killer?
When Mihawk fight happens, he will show us the most powerful observation haki till date.
I'm just saying how it was shown in the fight.
- pre FS Luffy had no problem dodging attacks from Katakuri
- pre FS Luffy couldn't land a single hit on Katakuri
And if we think logically, it makes sense too.
If I saw a future and throw out a punch, the moment I throw out the punch that future changes.
Me seeing the future doesn't stop the opponent from reflexively reacting on it.
It matters more in defence, because attacking usually involves planning even before you throw out a punch/attack.
Seeing where the opponent throws out the punch just before he does it, makes it much easier to dodge/block than reflexively dodging the attack.
Of course your perception should be fast enough to comprehend it, but as a standalone it is a straight up significant buff to dodging/countering, a higher degree than landing attacks.
Simply because dodging/blocking involves a much more reflexive/real-time action than throwing a punch/attack.
One thing I will agree on though, is that base/G2 Luffy isn't fast enough to dodge/counter snakeman level attack speed, even if he can perceive it.
Peak Katakuri had attack speed comparable to snakeman, so Katakuri wasn't giving it his all in that fight. THAT is on Oda. Not the dodging without FS aspect in itself.
That doesn’t really make sense. Why would the future change when you throw a punch but not when you try to dodge an attack? That’s arbitrary.
Both attacking or defending require planning. Likewise, knowing where your opponent is going to move makes it easier to land attacks. In fact, that’s the entire point of trying to hit a moving target = predicting where it will go. Seeing the future makes that just as easy as dodging the opponent’s attack.
I can understand if you were talking about a difference of microseconds, but future sight allows for multiple whole seconds. That is absolutely devastating in any match between opponents of equal speed let alone Kat who was already faster than Luffy.
I was hype about it when kata revealed it and Luffy learnt it.
But my hype went down because of oda inconsistent portrayal of it.
With requirement of user to maintain high degree of focus on using FS rather than a natural instinct, FS became more of a plot convenient switch which oda turns on and off depending upon the way he wants plot to be.
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