Powers & Abilities Zoro Ashura

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

In Japan, Indra is one of the twelve Devas, as guardian deities, who are found in or around Buddhist temples (Jūni-ten, 十二天).[94] In Japan, Indra has been called "Taishaku-ten".[95] He joins these other eleven Devas of Buddhism, found in Japan and other parts of southeast Asia: Agni (Ka-ten), Yama (Enma-ten), Nirrti (Rasetsu-ten), Vayu (Fu-ten), Ishana (Ishana-ten), Kubera (Tamon-ten), Varuna (Sui-ten), Brahma (Bon-ten), Prithvi (Chi-ten), Surya (Nit-ten), and Chandra (Gat-ten).[95][96][97]

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Also Rasetsu, where Yasu was killed.

Bro 10 of them won't represent Zoro i don't know if you know why ? But Zoro's strength rises with each sword three sword style > two sword style > one sword style like
1080 pc > 720 pc > 360 pc or rokudo no tsugi > Rashomon > sonson before ts we got ashura which named by Zoro himself to nine sword style and until today this is his best sword style far stronger than santoryo now if you want to follow the path of buddhism from ashura to something above it has to be stronger than nine sword style in other words it has to have 10 swords and above from and from what you posted only two fullfill the requirement
1- Brahma (Bon-ten), 12 sword style
2- Ishana (Ishana-ten), 11 sword style
But i will say oda will go with 12 sword style

 

[T.D.A]

I see Ashura brought up for Zoro all the time in versus battles. Most just assume that the power trumps anything that would give Zoro a hard fight. How are we sure that Oda has not scrapped Ashura?
It has only been used once in the story. What if it's like Douriki and Oda decided to simply scrap it.

The ass pull powerups that the other M3 got in EL has been utilized consistently throughout the story. Ashura is the only exception. In the arc after EL, Zoro got a more standard and accepted PU by getting the black blade shusui.


I think Ashura shouldn't be such a staple in discussion because there is no consistent showing of it. Gears are consistent and Luffy even for better with them Post Time skip. The same goes for DJ which Sanji shows consistent usage of and has improved it. Ashura is not a given like the other two powers. Zoros external power ups come from getting better weapons or mastering a good weapon.

What do you guys think. This is not a flame thread. I'm neither a Zoro or Sanji fan. My fandom lies in the Big Mama family.

Cheers

Ashura is part of the 6 paths of suffering in Buddhism so my guess is that Zoro can use it when he's reached a certain state/level of pain.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

lot of folks willing to call oda a shit writer for minor inconsistencies
are willing to buy that a pu that has been used twice just disappeared
lol
it will be back, he just hasnt met anyone that pushed him that far.
place a bet on it
those who think it got scrapped and those who dont
L's will be handed ofc .

 

[WesMidnight]

lol
it will be back, he just hasnt met anyone that pushed him that far.
place a bet on it
those who think it got scrapped and those who dont

I think it will come back, but the times it was used it was scaled as beneath gear 3 and on the same level as diable jambe, so I don't get why people act as if this should be a gear 4 level power up.

To me it's just another tool in his tool box, most of Zoro's attacks are somewhat of finisher attacks, not modes that power up all his other attacks, I don't see him walking around with Ni Gorilla active for an entire fight for example.

Luffy hasn't used Rifle techniques since the skip, pre skip giganto rifle>pre skip giganto pistol> pre skip Asura but I don't hear people wanking rifle to the same extent that Asura gets wanked.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

lot of folks willing to call oda a shit writer for minor inconsistencies
are willing to buy that a pu that has been used twice just disappeared
lol
it will be back, he just hasnt met anyone that pushed him that far.
place a bet on it
those who think it got scrapped and those who dont
L's will be handed ofc .

What if it comes back buts still only like a 2min form?? Who gets the L in that case lls??

 

[Tobra]

when first used i thought it was because the cursed sword sandi apparently it isn’t

 

[nik87]

so I don't get why people act as if this should be a gear 4 level power up.

Because Zoro without Asura now easily outperforms G2 and G3 so it's not hard to guess that with Asura his boost is far greater.

 

[WesMidnight]

Because Zoro without Asura now easily outperforms G2 and G3 so it's not hard to guess that with Asura his boost is far greater.

No he really doesn't, Zoro is strong for a second in command, but he is definitely not "easily" outperforming G2/G3 level, you have to be generous and situational to claim he even reaches parity, and somewhat delusional to be of this belief after Luffy got stronger in G2/G3 vs. Katakuri and started almost keeping up, before improved base stats, before improved future sight and before advanced Ryou.

Low balling inconsistencies in Luffy's strength against fodder due to PIS shouldn't be taken as gospel unless we are bringing up PIS jobbing on Zoro's side from Yeti Cool brothers to huffing to gifters. When we are talking serious fights Luffy's feats in G2/G3 really shouldn't be downplayed.

And most importantly you are assuming Asura is a generic boost to all his techniques rather than a subset of situational techniques like all of his other moves, ignoring how Asura actually appeared in the manga and extrapolating his power to suit your head canon.
My question was why do you assume he gets a massive boost from Asura and you said because he is strong without Asura, that does not follow logically.

You have it in your mind that holding back Asura is like a weight vest that Zoro has been wearing all of Post Skip and all of his abilities are going to get a massive boost when he uses it, in my opinion there will be 2 or 3 finisher attacks it is applied to that are on the level of his Ougi techniques or a little bit higher (and more practical against a competent opponent rather than to damage stone/ tentacles). Do you call Ni Gorilla a mode that amps all of Zoro's attacks? Can Zoro do gear stacking with Ni Gorilla and Asura?

 

[nik87]

No he really doesn't, Zoro is strong for a second in command, but he is definitely not "easily" outperforming G2/G3 level, you have to be generous and situational to claim he even reaches parity, and somewhat delusional to be of this belief after Luffy got stronger in G2/G3 vs. Katakuri and started almost keeping up, before improved base stats, before improved future sight and before advanced Ryou.

Low balling inconsistencies in Luffy's strength against fodder due to PIS shouldn't be taken as gospel unless we are bringing up PIS jobbing on Zoro's side from Yeti Cool brothers to huffing to gifters. When we are talking serious fights Luffy's feats in G2/G3 really shouldn't be downplayed.

And most importantly you are assuming Asura is a generic boost to all his techniques rather than a subset of situational techniques like all of his other moves, ignoring how Asura actually appeared in the manga and extrapolating his power to suit your head canon.
My question was why do you assume he gets a massive boost from Asura and you said because he is strong without Asura, that does not follow logically.

You have it in your mind that holding back Asura is like a weight vest that Zoro has been wearing all of Post Skip and all of his abilities are going to get a massive boost when he uses it, in my opinion there will be 2 or 3 finisher attacks it is applied to that are on the level of his Ougi techniques or a little bit higher (and more practical against a competent opponent rather than to damage stone/ tentacles). Do you call Ni Gorilla a mode that amps all of Zoro's attacks? Can Zoro do gear stacking with Ni Gorilla and Asura?

Nobody is downplaying G2/3, they are consistently bad in new world. Without G4, Luffy is not up to any serious task.
Can you imagine Zoro pulling Asura or even something greater for fodder like Ulti? I cant. Chinjao is the last guy where G3 was enough and he got spanked by Lao Geeee!

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

What if it comes back buts still only like a 2min form?? Who gets the L in that case lls??

Does it come back or not
thats my point guys
whether its two minutes or not. yall forget sword fights are decided mostly in one fatal strike
the killer fight
mr 1
2 mins could be enough. people who insist it wont comeback will get an L.

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I think it will come back, but the times it was used it was scaled as beneath gear 3 and on the same level as diable jambe, so I don't get why people act as if this should be a gear 4 level power up.

To me it's just another tool in his tool box, most of Zoro's attacks are somewhat of finisher attacks, not modes that power up all his other attacks, I don't see him walking around with Ni Gorilla active for an entire fight for example.

Luffy hasn't used Rifle techniques since the skip, pre skip giganto rifle>pre skip giganto pistol> pre skip Asura but I don't hear people wanking rifle to the same extent that Asura gets wanked.

ashura was definitively above any of his santoryuu techniques
and g2/g3 or diable jambe has been made normal with the presence of G4 and rs for sanji
ashura has not but one things for sure, diable jambe, g2/g3 , and ashura are stronger now than they were two years ago.
you would have to go back and visit his previous fights to see what he could do without it, and what he could do after it was activated. its not simply a toolbox, its a powerup.
using prets scaling of a giganto pistol to current will be ill informed.
iirc we did get a good comparison of an grizzly magnum(g3rd)
and his santoryuu techniques matched that in DC on pica.

dont think ashura is his g3rd equivalent anymore.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Does it come back or not
thats my point guys
whether its two minutes or not.

That’s not everybody point tho... More then half Z nation pushing it as a legitimate form. We need clarification on that specific point imo. It coming back for an attack or 2. an disappearing should be an L.

yall forget sword fights are decided mostly in one fatal strike
the killer fight
mr 1
2 mins could be enough. people who insist it wont comeback will get an L.

That’s obvious, but the rest seem like a cop out

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

For those thinking ashura is not an enhanced form
it has three named attacks stated in the manga all prefixed with nine swordstyle/ashura
sure it doesnt make him faster , or increase his durablility , but as a swordsman , whats more relevant to him is cutting power. and thats what it does.

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That’s not everybody point tho... More then half Z nation pushing it as a legitimate form. We need clarification on that specific point imo. It coming back for an attack or 2. an disappearing should be an L.

That’s obvious, but the rest seem like a cop out

depends on what you consider a form
ashura is significantly above santoryuu
if you reread the kaku fight.
it has three named attacks all prefixed by ashura/ninesword style. The same way you have two sword style techniques, or one sword style.
very easy to see why one is stronger than the other.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

So not a form ???

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

That’s not everybody point tho... More then half Z nation pushing it as a legitimate form. We need clarification on that specific point imo. It coming back for an attack or 2. an disappearing should be an L.

That’s obvious, but the rest seem like a cop out

read the op in the thread
not a cop out
folks insist it was retconned
if it wasnt then you accept your L. if you thought it would come back but not as strong
that not my argument .

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So not a form ???

It depends on what you consider a form .
I consider it a style
akin to two sword style
or one sword style
difference here is two sword style - 720 pound pheonix
3 sword style - 1080
9 sword style- ??
very easy to get the point. the attack power increases.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

read the op in the thread
not a cop out
folks insist it was retconned
if it wasnt then you accept your L. if you thought it would come back but not as strong
that not my argument .

This is a cop out tho imo. I was addressing a situation outside of the Op in the thread. Ur right those individual will need to take there L. But I’m addressing the middle ground crowd. That believe it’ll return, but not as the form it’s being describe as by Z nation.

It depends on what you consider a form .
I consider it a style
akin to two sword style
or one sword style
difference here is two sword style - 720 pound pheonix
3 sword style - 1080
9 sword style- ??
very easy to get the point. the attack power increases.

Not sure what ur saying here... is it a form or not?? None of what you’ve listed imo falls in line with a form.

A Form in of itself, something that increase ur overall combat ability imo. U can increase AP without a form change (Sanji DJ) a perfect example of that in one piece. In Zoro case his Sword aren’t causing jurassic overall shifts in Zoro power lvl, or overall fighting ability. They mainly just increase his AP in reality, while obviously providing what advantage the additional blade provides.

quick question do u think that move Zoro grows his arms in a form change?? Forget the name I think it’s gorilla something.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

This is a cop out tho imo. I was addressing a situation outside of the Op in the thread. Ur right those individual will need to take there L. But I’m addressing the middle ground crowd. That believe it’ll return, but not as the form it’s being describe as by Z nation.

Not sure what ur saying here... is it a form or not?? None of what you’ve listed imo falls in line with a form.

A Form in of itself, something that increase ur overall combat ability imo. U can increase AP without a form change (Sanji DJ) a perfect example of that in one piece. In Zoro case his Sword aren’t causing jurassic overall shifts in Zoro power lvl, or overall fighting ability. They mainly just increase his AP in reality, while obviously providing what advantage the additional blade provides.

quick question do u think that move Zoro grows his arms in a form change?? Forget the name I think it’s gorilla something.

I

"Not sure what ur saying here... is it a form or not?? None of what you’ve listed imo falls in line with a form. "
answered here mate
It depends on what you consider a form .
I consider it a style
akin to two sword style
or one sword style
each one with its own set of attacks .
"This is a cop out tho imo. I was addressing a situation outside of the Op in the thread. Ur right those individual will need to take there L. But I’m addressing the middle ground crowd. That believe it’ll return, but not as the form it’s being describe as by Z nation."
not a cop out
you quoted me for saying if it comes back those that said it wont will get an L. see og post here. next time quote the right person cause am def not the one you are referring to. pls reread.

lot of folks willing to call oda a shit writer for minor inconsistencies
are willing to buy that a pu that has been used twice just disappeared
lol
it will be back, he just hasnt met anyone that pushed him that far.
place a bet on it
those who think it got scrapped and those who dont
L's will be handed ofc .

zoro will never get a form. his battle prowess isnt based on speed or enhancing his body .
each sword style as the number goes up is stronger than the previous and that increases how much damage he can do with his sword thats it.
you dont see mihawk or oden or rayleigh have abominable speed or insane durability, swordsmen typically dont have such and dont need to.
" In Zoro case his Sword aren’t causing jurassic overall shifts in Zoro power lvl, or overall fighting ability. "
depends on what you consider" jurassic ". it certainly isnt making him a top tier,
it was the gap between the zoro who kaku was dominating to when he two shot kaku. if that balance is maintained. then in that form ,
the difference is quite significant. will need to see it post ts to have a more valid comparison

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

I

"Not sure what ur saying here... is it a form or not?? None of what you’ve listed imo falls in line with a form. "
answered here mate
It depends on what you consider a form .
I consider it a style
akin to two sword style
or one sword style
each one with its own set of attacks .
"This is a cop out tho imo. I was addressing a situation outside of the Op in the thread. Ur right those individual will need to take there L. But I’m addressing the middle ground crowd. That believe it’ll return, but not as the form it’s being describe as by Z nation."
not a cop out
you quoted me for saying if it comes back those that said it wont will get an L. see og post here. next time quote the right person cause am def not the one you are referring to. pls reread.

My quote asked u something not tied to the OP.... Not really sure where the rest of the nonsense came from. There’s nothing to reread I was simply asking a question. U were free to ask or not, Everything not a piss contest...

zoro will never get a form. his battle prowess isnt based on speed or enhancing his body .
each sword style as the number goes up is stronger than the previous and that increases how much damage he can do with his sword thats it.
you dont see mihawk or oden or rayleigh have abominable speed or insane durability, swordsmen typically dont have such and dont need to.

So not a form like I was saying. What was the point of the run around??

" In Zoro case his Sword aren’t causing jurassic overall shifts in Zoro power lvl, or overall fighting ability. "
depends on what you consider" jurassic ". it certainly isnt making him a top tier,
it was the gap between the zoro who kaku was dominating to when he two shot kaku. if that balance is maintained. then in that form ,
the difference is quite significant. will need to see it post ts to have a more valid comparison

Im guessing u skip over me saying it’s an overall boost. Against Kaku Zoro only noticeable increase was AP. imo not meeting the qualifications for a form. Tho later showing could change that.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

My quote asked u something not tied to the OP.... Not really sure where the rest of the nonsense came from. There’s nothing to reread I was simply asking a question. U were free to ask or not, Everything not a piss contest...



So not a form like I was saying. What was the point of the run around??

Im guessing u skip over me saying it’s an overall boost. Against Kaku Zoro only noticeable increase was AP. imo not meeting the qualifications for a form. Tho later showing could change that.

you called it a cop out mate .
to quoting me on something I never talked about
quote someone else
I am talking about the op .

he will never get a form.
one sword style, two sword style isnt and certainly 9 sword style wont be a form.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Asura cant be scrapped. Its been shown twice and in the movies and majority of the one piece community are still waiting on its return.

If Oda were to scrap it he’d just be wasting his own time and he’d get flamed for it.

Zoro hasnt used Asura for 2 reasons :

1. he hasnt fought anyone stronh enough to force him to use it.

2. Hes always been nerfed (missing 1 of his 3 swords).

 

[Finalbeta]

Asura cant be scrapped. Its been shown twice and in the movies and majority of the one piece community are still waiting on its return.

If Oda were to scrap it he’d just be wasting his own time and he’d get flamed for it.

Zoro hasnt used Asura for 2 reasons :

1. he hasnt fought anyone stronh enough to force him to use it.

2. Hes always been nerfed (missing 1 of his 3 swords).

Exactly point number 1 is the key point in my opinion

It makes no sense to unleash Asura on an opponent not worth it, this has always been the politics of Zoro or even Luffy

They don't go all out when that is not required

If Zoro v Fujitora lasted more, Zoro surely would have used it