Controversial General Political Discussion

[RebelliousSoma]

you guys told me to not to bring out StrictAL

Oh my. Would strictAL use the belt on @Logiko?

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For whaaat?



Um, no. Centrists belong to neither political wing.
Yes, there it is.

Tell him you are apolitical and use the term non-partisan, that will short-circuit his brain for sure.


@Logiko that's the spirit, you tell them, anyone who didn't chop their banana off is a fucking nazi scumbag! Center-left are also rightists! /s

 

[Worst]

Well, it really depends on a lot of factors.
What's about health care?
How are people living with rather low paying jobs? Can they affort to pay their bills without worrying about their whole existence?

I think these 2 would be my top priorities, health care....no need to discuss that.

And i believe there's tons of studies showing that if one's main thoughts aren't something like " what am i gonna do next month ? putting something on the table ? or paying the electricity bill ? " they actually start to look around and care about more important issues.....

Taking those 2 worries out of the equation could be insane ( imho )

Then i guess the housing market it's also kind of sh** for young people who basically start from 0....

What I'm sure of, taxing more successful people to nearly give 90% of their income is not a good solution at all.

Yeah this is nonsense lol

 

[Logiko]

For those who tend to deny the systemic police violences all over the world. I suggest you to watch a video on twitter. CAREFUL, its a VIOLENT one. Type in the research bar: "Manchester Airport gmpolice"

Its too violent to be shared here.

@Logiko what are your thoughts on the highest selling mainstream comedians?

I love Fluffy

I mean it seems the same thing, but with more words

I said that I was not really liking the idea tho...

That's how it starts, create gender confusion and then bring in the claim that it's just a social construct and doesn't exist.

Here is a nice response of a redditor to answer the question of a trans person asking "if gender is a social construct, how can trans people exist?" (yeah, we actually ask pertinent questions on the left)

"First thing to note: "Gender is made up by society" does NOT mean "gender doesn't exist." Money is made up by society, marriage is made up by society, political hierarchies are made up by society - they're still all 100% real and meaningful. The binary genders of man and woman are made up by society, but that doesn't mean you can't be deeply unhappy (or happy!) being one or the other.

Secondly, gender being made up by society does NOT mean that the underlying characteristics that inform and influence gender are not real, either. Your genetic predisposition, socialisation and physical traits are all real things; they can come together in all sorts of ways to produce equally many outcomes in gender.

I think the underlying thought that you're hanging onto is that your gender is validated if there's an underlying physical cause, which is beyond your control. You'd like to be able to point at part of your brain, maybe, and say "Hey, look, this is the Trans Bit, that's why I'm trans" - because then it's beyond dispute, right? But I don't think that's ever going to be possible, and is a burden of proof that we never ask for in cis people. I believe it's better for us all to acknowledge that trans-ness is made up of a lot of characteristics and is hard to define straightforwardly. It's just more truthful, in my view."

What are you yapping about bro? Read your own last 3 paragraphs, lol.

You said that I'd be fine with it. When in reality what I said is that I didn't like the idea for my relationships.

Sure.
Sure.
Sure.

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GOING FARTHER : CARROT'S FINAL STORY MIGHT BE MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN YOU THINK !
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A little context first about my work on Carrot (you can skip that but its important to understand why I share those specific videos) :

You guys need to understand that I have worked on the character of Carrot for almost 8 years ! NOT because Carrot is cute or because she is a furry or a rabbit, no, I don't really care about those stuff. I worked on that character because it arrived at a moment when I was studying intensly the storytelling methodology of Oda to better my own work and projects and she felt really special for a reason that I didn't understand on the spot.

So I got curious and I jumped on the Nakama train out of circounstance. Through the theory of Carrot joining the crew I developped a LOT of "CarrotforNakama" arguments famously known in the Carrot fanbase on internet. Such as the parallels between Jinbe and Carrot, the Dawn symbolism of the character, the fact that Carrot could die and revive because of the myth of the Lunar rabbit or the thematic of wonder surrounding her as much in term of characterization than in her story or her symbolism. But I restricted myself !!

Indeed, my analysis of Carrot's story has always been very COLD. My interest was ONLY the present storyline of Carrot until her potential joining of the crew. I refused to theorized too much about her potential future or potential arc since it felt too removed from the hypothesis of the start. Plus, my reasonning MOSTLY stood on narrative facts, either explicited or implicited of the arc where Carrot was present (Zou, Totland, Wano). You can find a lot of those thoughts all around the two nakama threads. I rarely went on tengeant in speculative and theorizing mode looking at potential clues that could be completely unrelated to her story at first glance.

The reason for that is that I prefer to analyse rather than theorize.

BUT

Someone did just that ! All Blue Tiger on >> YOUTUBE !

- So not every leftist believes communism is good.

Yup

but it's a highly successful system

This is why you are a rightist.

Bro, you can legit start your own social media career today and you can earn a lot of money if you're successful.

"if you are successful" is the key word here. There is also the "you can" as this implies that you have access to internet and a peripheric

it's an unfortunate fact that there are successful and non successful people in this world

Remember guys ?
>>

Owww the other argument of meritocrats.

"If you are not good enough, its just that you weren't lucky"

This is called a fatalism. It means that poverty is just a fact of nature and the social life.. it just HAPPENS.

This denies the reponsibility of the system and our beliefs systems. This denies the fact that powerfull and wealthy people are literally doing EVERYTHING to prevent poverty from disappearing. This puts the responsibility on something we can't control.

This is the coward way out for those who don't want to face reality.

and there will always be people less fortunate than the other ones

"its just natural"

This is why you are a rightist and I'm a leftist.

It doesn't make me a rightist only because I'm a realist man.

There is no realism in your statement. Its fatalism and idealism.

Its stands on the notion and belief of meritocracy. Its not a rationnal way to see the world.

Nothing in that video disproves what I said. You're the living example.

Well.. There are some things that will be harder to teach to people..

he still doubled down claiming I'm a homo/transphobe

Wrong. You are lying mate. Like a lot of people here.

What I said to you is this:

RebelliousSoma was transphobic. And Xione and you promoted the idea that transphobia is not really transphobia.

Transphobia is not only about the fear of trans people. Transphobia regroups all the discrimination that trans people are facing. So sayin that we should not accept trans people is transphobic.

I think I will create the hashtag #YouAreLying to document from now ALL the moments where people are either lying or deforming what I say in order to make me seem like a fool.

I shouldve done that since the beginning, it happens too often.

So gender dysphoria is a mental injury!

No. Its a psychic/mental pathology. I was making a comparison Einstein. But the word injury works also, after all gender disphorias comes from a accumulation of psychic wounds that need to be healed.

Logiko just labels everyone, who doesn't agree with him, in a specific political spectrum.

Nop. There are certain persons here that are on my side, even if I don't always agree with them

What I'm sure of, taxing more successful people to nearly give 90% of their income is not a good solution at all.

Another reason why you are a rightists. Keep them coming sir

Center-left are also rightists!

It depends

 

[Mathias]

So gender dysphoria is a mental injury!

Logiko done another oopsieeeee. Sounds transphobic @Logiko, maybe you should turn yourself in, although that seems more like a recreational trip for you.

Re-reading it, and actually yes it's a mental illness. There is nothing wrong with his post

(unless I mixed up something between dysphoria and something else )

 

[Ravagerblade]

For those who tend to deny the systemic police violences all over the world. I suggest you to watch a video on twitter. CAREFUL, its a VIOLENT one. Type in the research bar: "Manchester Airport gmpolice"

Its too violent to be shared here.



I love Fluffy

I said that I was not really liking the idea tho...




Here is a nice response of a redditor to answer the question of a trans person asking "if gender is a social construct, how can trans people exist?" (yeah, we actually ask pertinent questions on the left)

"First thing to note: "Gender is made up by society" does NOT mean "gender doesn't exist." Money is made up by society, marriage is made up by society, political hierarchies are made up by society - they're still all 100% real and meaningful. The binary genders of man and woman are made up by society, but that doesn't mean you can't be deeply unhappy (or happy!) being one or the other.

Secondly, gender being made up by society does NOT mean that the underlying characteristics that inform and influence gender are not real, either. Your genetic predisposition, socialisation and physical traits are all real things; they can come together in all sorts of ways to produce equally many outcomes in gender.

I think the underlying thought that you're hanging onto is that your gender is validated if there's an underlying physical cause, which is beyond your control. You'd like to be able to point at part of your brain, maybe, and say "Hey, look, this is the Trans Bit, that's why I'm trans" - because then it's beyond dispute, right? But I don't think that's ever going to be possible, and is a burden of proof that we never ask for in cis people. I believe it's better for us all to acknowledge that trans-ness is made up of a lot of characteristics and is hard to define straightforwardly. It's just more truthful, in my view."


You said that I'd be fine with it. When in reality what I said is that I didn't like the idea for my relationships.





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Yup



This is why you are a rightist.



"if you are successful" is the key word here. There is also the "you can" as this implies that you have access to internet and a peripheric



Remember guys ?
>>





"its just natural"

This is why you are a rightist and I'm a leftist.



There is no realism in your statement. Its fatalism and idealism.

Its stands on the notion and belief of meritocracy. Its not a rationnal way to see the world.



Well.. There are some things that will be harder to teach to people..



Wrong. You are lying mate. Like a lot of people here.

What I said to you is this:



I think I will create the hashtag #YouAreLying to documented from now on ALL the moment where people are either lying or deforming what I say in order to make me seem like a fool.

I shouldve done that since the beginning, it happens too often.


No. Its a psychic/mental pathology. I was making a comparison Einstein. But the word injury works also, after all gender disphorias comes from a accumulation of psychic wounds that need to be healed.



Nop. There are certain persons here that are on my side, even if I don't always agree with them




Another reason why you are a rightists. Keep them coming sir

It depends

Fluffy Don't like you.

 

[Zemmi]

For those who tend to deny the systemic police violences all over the world. I suggest you to watch a video on twitter. CAREFUL, its a VIOLENT one. Type in the research bar: "Manchester Airport gmpolice"

Its too violent to be shared here.



I love Fluffy

I said that I was not really liking the idea tho...




Here is a nice response of a redditor to answer the question of a trans person asking "if gender is a social construct, how can trans people exist?" (yeah, we actually ask pertinent questions on the left)

"First thing to note: "Gender is made up by society" does NOT mean "gender doesn't exist." Money is made up by society, marriage is made up by society, political hierarchies are made up by society - they're still all 100% real and meaningful. The binary genders of man and woman are made up by society, but that doesn't mean you can't be deeply unhappy (or happy!) being one or the other.

Secondly, gender being made up by society does NOT mean that the underlying characteristics that inform and influence gender are not real, either. Your genetic predisposition, socialisation and physical traits are all real things; they can come together in all sorts of ways to produce equally many outcomes in gender.

I think the underlying thought that you're hanging onto is that your gender is validated if there's an underlying physical cause, which is beyond your control. You'd like to be able to point at part of your brain, maybe, and say "Hey, look, this is the Trans Bit, that's why I'm trans" - because then it's beyond dispute, right? But I don't think that's ever going to be possible, and is a burden of proof that we never ask for in cis people. I believe it's better for us all to acknowledge that trans-ness is made up of a lot of characteristics and is hard to define straightforwardly. It's just more truthful, in my view."


You said that I'd be fine with it. When in reality what I said is that I didn't like the idea for my relationships.





>>>







Yup



This is why you are a rightist.



"if you are successful" is the key word here. There is also the "you can" as this implies that you have access to internet and a peripheric



Remember guys ?
>>





"its just natural"

This is why you are a rightist and I'm a leftist.



There is no realism in your statement. Its fatalism and idealism.

Its stands on the notion and belief of meritocracy. Its not a rationnal way to see the world.



Well.. There are some things that will be harder to teach to people..



Wrong. You are lying mate. Like a lot of people here.

What I said to you is this:



I think I will create the hashtag #YouAreLying to documented from now on ALL the moment where people are either lying or deforming what I say in order to make me seem like a fool.

I shouldve done that since the beginning, it happens too often.


No. Its a psychic/mental pathology. I was making a comparison Einstein. But the word injury works also, after all gender disphorias comes from a accumulation of psychic wounds that need to be healed.



Nop. There are certain persons here that are on my side, even if I don't always agree with them




Another reason why you are a rightists. Keep them coming sir

It depends

I love fluffy too. He's great.

I wanted your thoughts on more like comedians like Dave Chappelle and if you feel like he crosses lines or if there is room for comedians to joke about subjects that are controversial.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

@MonsterZoro

Can @Logiko morph into a KPOP girl for @MonsterZoro and would @MonsterZoro accept the love?

 

[NAMELESS]

Re-reading it, and actually yes it's a mental illness. There is nothing wrong with his post

(unless I mixed up something between dysphoria and something else )

Mentail illness require medication and psychotheraphy. Some rare ones require brain surgery. Is undergoing the knife the way to fix gender disphoria? The evidence i posted here suggests otherwise.

 

[Logiko]

Re-reading it, and actually yes it's a mental illness. There is nothing wrong with is post

Those guys are undocumented... and they want to explain to me what gender is...

comedians like Dave Chappelle

I really don't know much about american celebrities (or even french ones in fact). I'm sorry.

This name sounds familiar to me tho, did he ever say something quite problematic ?

Mentail illness require medication and psychotheraphy. Some rare ones require brain surgery. Is undergoing the knife the way to fix gender disphoria? The evidence i posted here suggests otherwise.

I just debunked all your 'sources" and "evidences" you wannabe Aristotle

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Wrong. You are lying mate. Like a lot of people here.

What I said to you is this:



I think I will create the hashtag #YouAreLying to documented from now on ALL the moment where people are either lying or deforming what I say in order to make me seem like a fool.

I shouldve done that since the beginning, it happens too often.

Well, then, I would tell you to make sure your glass house doesn't fall down.

.

 

[Roo]

This type of shit is why I cant stand most MAGA fans in USA. This type of shit is just petty af

Also this is the same guy that got caught recently having fake twitter account as a black woman LMFAO

P.S. her daughter is fucking beautiful

Conservatives have gone full unhinged when it comes to Kamala Harris, really mask off

 

[Logiko]

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[Mathias]

Mentail illness require medication and psychotheraphy. Some rare ones require brain surgery. Is undergoing the knife the way to fix gender disphoria? The evidence i posted here suggests otherwise.

Children don’t undergo the knife though, just treatment with puberty blockers

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Can @Logiko morph into a KPOP girl for @MonsterZoro and would @MonsterZoro accept the love?

Probably

 

[Zemmi]

Those guys are undocumented... and they want to explain to me what gender is...




I really don't know much about american celebrities (or even french ones in fact). I'm sorry.

This name sounds familiar to me tho, did he ever say something quite problematic ?



I just debunked all your 'sources" and "evidences" you wannabe Aristotle

nvm don't worry about it.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You are a hypocrite.

 

[NAMELESS]

Those guys are undocumented... and they want to explain to me what gender is...




I really don't know much about american celebrities (or even french ones in fact). I'm sorry.

This name sounds familiar to me tho, did he ever say something quite problematic ?



I just debunked all your 'sources" and "evidences" you wannabe Aristotle

You didn't debunk anything,you played with semantics. There is no debuking 4 fucking long ass articles in a couple of minutes. You didn't even read them fully.

 

[Uncle Van]

Um, no. Centrists belong to neither political wing.
Yes, there it is.

I mean, TECHINCALLY it is right wing but requires lots of nuance and context to explain, 2 things C4N is incapable of doing or understanding. He thinks anything that isn't his version of leftism is right wing by default.

 

[NAMELESS]

Children don’t undergo the knife though, just treatment with puberty blockers

You are right,but that still fucks up their development.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Those guys are undocumented...

Did you just use "illegal aliens" as an insult? I thought that's supposed to be "rightist".