Do you actually believe he has good reading comprehension, anyway?
No, he doesn't. Dude ain't honest either. He has a fanatical belief in his political views and he is dead set on forcing that nonsense on other people. The man is clearly lonely and trying to get people to interact with him that way online. I don't take him seriously. But i'm curious about what his reactions might be the day he gets cornered.
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some do get the knife though
David Reimer.
 
Why is that dear mate ?


You didn't debunk anything,you played with semantics.
There is no debuking 4 fucking long ass articles in a couple of minutes.
It took me half an hour... and I read all the needed part (abstracts, articles and conclusions)

With the help of other people who actually did the work of debunking those missinterpretation... I literally demonstrated how all your sources are either missinterpreting the actual studies and facts or actually going in my favor.

Accept the L mate. this won't be the last.

:kayneshrug:


2 things C4N is incapable of doing or understanding
There is nuance among the left.
There is nuance among the right.

But the one who tries to tell you that there is a central path between the left and the right is lying to you.

- Either you are a materialist major or a idealist major (in the sence, in majority)
- Either you are for or against capitalism

Those things can't be nuanced. There is no central path. There is no compromises between the notions of those two sets of concepts.


but that still fucks up their development.
Nop


Did you just use "illegal aliens" as an insult? I thought that's supposed to be "rightist".
Oh... The French influence strikes again.

In france, someone that is "documented" is someone that is "informed" or "knowledgable".

So the right word here is not "undocumented" but "uninformed"

My bad


Do you actually believe he has good reading comprehension, anyway?
More than him it seems

:sanmoji:
some do get the knife though
I think you are confusing "gender affirming care" and "gender affirming surgeries"

Dude ain't honest either.
When have I ever been dishonnest about my point of view ?


But i'm curious about what his reactions might be the day he gets cornered
I can only get corned with knowledge and it happens sometimes on this forum.

And guess what !

When it happens, I listen, I learn and I accept that my reasonning is wrong. You know why ?

Because I come from a complotist and far right background similar to yours. In fact in some ways a bit more problematic. And between the moment I became this and today, I learned, I questionned myself everyday and I listened, A LOT.

Today, being wrong is like finding the Saint Graal for me. I LOVE IT.

So come at me mate, prove to me that I'm wrong. I dare you. You will only make the conversation better ! But don't waste your time ! If you can't even understand that the sources that you share are missinterpreting scientific studies, you will have a hard time with me.
 
Far more than that. Just look up detransitioners for example to see what victims of transgenderism think.
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I think you are confusing "gender affirming care" and "gender affirming surgeries"
The only thing confusing to me is your existence.

As for surgeries, look at the video I posted. They cut her breasts off.
 
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You said that I'd be fine with it. When in reality what I said is that I didn't like the idea for my relationships.
Dude, you say one thing at the beginning and another one afterwards lol

This is why you are a rightist.
For stating a fact? :suresure:

"if you are successful" is the key word here.
So what are you gonna do? You either attract your fans or your view count barely reaches hundreds of views despite uploading lots of videos.

The bold one is fucking irony considering you constantly run away from the reality and other challenges and blame your entire misfortune on the "SYSTEM".

"its just natural"

This is why you are a rightist and I'm a leftist.
Buddy, what are you gonna do?
Like, you cannot prevent people from getting successful while you're living in poverty. What I agree with is the fact that the government should make the living environments for less successful people more humane and bearable, so that they don't have to work near death for a miserable minimal wage. Again, it also depends on the country. Some countries do it better than the other ones.

Like, you could have just asked me such stuff instead of labelling me on a certain politic spectrum and I would agree on a heartbeat instead of rambling on about the guy receiving 6 figures, who would most likely have fun with your girl if you're allowing her to get physical with other dudes, lmao.

Its stands on the notion and belief of meritocracy. Its not a rationnal way to see the world.
You just come up with lots of excuses, wall of texts and you're constantly demanding, demanding and demanding.
Is this your rational way of thinking? Highly increasing taxes of more successful people? Do you think it solves the issues?

There are some things that will be harder to teach to people..
At least you're admitting how it's difficult teaching you things.

Another reason why you are a rightists. Keep them coming sir
You know what infuriates me?
You have no job, you pay no taxes, as of now, you don't contribute anything to society, isn't it? It isn't technically wrong since you're dealing with your own mental health issues or whatever prevents you from socialising, yet you're demanding such a ridiculous BS about people nearly paying 90% of their income when they're wealthier than you. Imagine the audacity.
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I mean, TECHINCALLY it is right wing but requires lots of nuance and context to explain, 2 things C4N is incapable of doing or understanding. He thinks anything that isn't his version of leftism is right wing by default.
Well, I have to admit that I'm not that politically involved over the last 3 - 4 years and the terms of centrists might have changed from back then. At least in Germany, when people said they were centrists, it was always about the context, that they partially follow both aspects of right and left, depending on the topics.

In my case, I agree with everything which are either scientific true or are morally acceptable.
 
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You know what infuriates me?
You have no job, you pay no taxes, as of now, you don't contribute anything to society, isn't it? It isn't technically wrong since you're dealing with your own mental health issues or whatever prevents you from socialising, yet you're demanding such a ridiculous BS about people nearly paying 90% of their income when they're wealthier than you. Imagine the audacity.
:kobeha::kobeha::kobeha::kobeha::kobeha::kobeha::kobeha::kobeha:
 
Okay so first, let's look at that :

https://www.cureus.com/articles/201...-harm-following-gender-affirmation-surgery#!/

This article was actually corrected to avoid missinterpretations (that you are making right now) :

"
Correction :

This article has been corrected by the Editors-in-Chief to clarify the conclusions of the study. Two sentences have been revised as detailed below. The authors agree with these corrections.

  • Original abstract conclusions: "Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support."

    Corrected to: "Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support."

  • Original first sentence of the Conclusions section: "The results of this study show that gender-affirmation surgery is associated with a significantly higher risk of suicide, death, suicide/self-harm, and PTSD compared to control groups in this real-world database."

    Corrected to: "The results of this study indicate that patients who have undergone gender affirmation surgery are associated with significantly higher risks of suicide, self-harm, and PTSD compared to general population control groups in this real-world database."
"

In other word, the result don't indicate that gender-affirmation surgery is the result for a significantly higher risk of suicide. The result show that people who undergo gender affirmation surgery are ASSOCIATED WITH higher risks of suicide.

In other, OTHER WORDS (because I know its hard for you to understand simple sentences), people who do those surgeries are people who tends to have high risk of self harming. Which is logical because those people are usually those who suffer from gender disphoria and the comorbidities that come with it.

Trans people have a high risk to be suicidal in a heteronormative society. This is not a scoop.

Now... This one:

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/

Is literally a article that demonstrate all my points and the need to care for trans people and respect their rights. This is literally what I just told you when I reviewed the last article.

But i'm sure that, once again, you thought that this was an argument supporting your reasonning, right ? Too bad. This is an article supporting my argument. (check the page, you should see that you are on a pro lgbtqi+ factual check site)

This article shows just how transphobic society is and how badly trans people are treated EVEN when then underwent a surgery. (because yes, trans people are still being killed after their surgery)

Now, this one:

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

First it shares studies that are missinterpreted, like this one:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 which is actually not saying that gender affirmation surgery does not work or that trans people are worse after the surgery as demonstrated here : https://www.huffpost.com/entry/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626

So I'm sorry, but this is really not the best source and really not a scientific one. Read the article I just posted instead. ;)


And finally this one coming from a pro religious site:

https://zenit.org/2024/05/27/risk-o...-transgenders-who-undergo-sex-change-surgery/

This is an article concerning the study mentionned in the first point. A study that was corrected. It also mention other studies that i've already talked about and that are missinterepreted or miss represented.

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So, as you can see, NONE of your sources are actually indicating the ineffectiveness of gender affirming surgeries. In fact, they tend to explain that they are necessary to help gender disphoria and must be accompagnied by a psychological care.

And since I like to hammer down my point, let me share with you this

https://medicine.yale.edu/lgbtqi/clinicalcare/gender-affirming-care/biased-science/

That's really sad.. EVEN when you guys are trying to use my own method to debunk me... you still fail.
Associated:"related/connected/linked/correlated/analogous/similar/alike". Those erratas meant shit, they were all saying the same thing.The studies were not invalidated. The errata was about making it clear that it was about post-procedure patients. Learn to fucking read.
Its a fact that trans people are a group that is prone to suicide and those studies clearly indicate that undergoing the knife actually increases the likelihood of suicide(google what associated means,moron). You literally discarded one of them just cause its associated(oh the irony) with a religious institution, that is not how science works.
That is called ad hominem, you need to attack the arguments and not individuals or institutions crafting those.
You asked for the science behind my statement, i presented the articles to you. You are cherry picking shit cause you don't like the facts. You are full of shit.

  • Original abstract conclusions: "Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support."

    Corrected to: "Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support."

  • Original first sentence of the Conclusions section: "The results of this study show that gender-affirmation surgery is associated with a significantly higher risk of suicide, death, suicide/self-harm, and PTSD compared to control groups in this real-world database."

    Corrected to: "The results of this study indicate that patients who have undergone gender affirmation surgery are associated with significantly higher risks of suicide, self-harm, and PTSD compared to general population control groups in this real-world database."

The errata just clarified that the study is about patients post-procedure. You have reading comprehension problems, son.
Why is that dear mate ?




It took me half an hour... and I read all the needed part (abstracts, articles and conclusions)

With the help of other people who actually did the work of debunking those missinterpretation... I literally demonstrated how all your sources are either missinterpreting the actual studies and facts or actually going in my favor.

Accept the L mate. this won't be the last.

:kayneshrug:



There is nuance among the left.
There is nuance among the right.

But the one who tries to tell you that there is a central path between the left and the right is lying to you.

- Either you are a materialist major or a idealist major (in the sence, in majority)
- Either you are for or against capitalism

Those things can't be nuanced. There is no central path. There is no compromises between the notions of those two sets of concepts.



Nop




Oh... The French influence strikes again.

In france, someone that is "documented" is someone that is "informed" or "knowledgable".

So the right word here is not "undocumented" but "uninformed"

My bad



More than him it seems

:sanmoji:

I think you are confusing "gender affirming care" and "gender affirming surgeries"


When have I ever been dishonnest about my point of view ?



I can only get corned with knowledge and it happens sometimes on this forum.

And guess what !

When it happens, I listen, I learn and I accept that my reasonning is wrong. You know why ?

Because I come from a complotist and far right background similar to yours. In fact in some ways a bit more problematic. And between the moment I became this and today, I learned, I questionned myself everyday and I listened, A LOT.

Today, being wrong is like finding the Saint Graal for me. I LOVE IT.

So come at me mate, prove to me that I'm wrong. I dare you. You will only make the conversation better ! But don't waste your time ! If you can't even understand that the sources that you share are missinterpreting scientific studies, you will have a hard time with me.
You discarded one study because it was published by a religious institution(ad hominem). You were cherry picking about the errata. Your arguments are bullshit. The links i posted clearly show that trans people are prone to suicide and that gender affirming surgery makes it worse. About 12X worse. Meaning of associated, smart ass:
Associated: related/connected/linked/correlated/analogous/similar/alike/kindred/corresponding/attendant/accompanying/auxiliary/accessory/incidental/cognate.
 
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Far more than that. Just look up detransitioners for example to see what victims of transgenderism think.
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The only thing confusing to me is your existence.

As for surgeries, look at the video I posted. They cut her breasts off.
Yep, its a silent epidemic of destroyed lives. Cunts and idiots are cheering it. Dark times.
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Bro, it's true. Imagine you finally managed to rise as a department manager and some jobless bum tries to demand from you that you have to nearly pay 90% of your income. What kinda distorted world lives Logiko? :suresure:
That is communism. They are all thieves.
 
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