Powers & Abilities Why the black blade puts Mihawk and Ryuma above Oden by default

[nik87]

That fact that you guys can't seem to see the sheer difference in portrayal of Roger in comparison to Mihawk is pretty funny.

Oden > Vista and Roger effortlessly dealt with him to get to Whitebeard. But Mihawk who couldn't effortlessly deal with Vista to get to Luffy, is somehow above Roger....

The fact that every scene is a d*ck measuring contest for you is what's actually funny...
Roger is a dead character and at no point has Oda selected him as peak of power in OP.
Mihawk is a young character whose time is coming, when Zoro is at his strongest.
Roger wont be able to hold the candle to either of them. How can you miss such an obvious thing?

 

[Chaves]

@comrade Why don't you respond to people who have made a solid argumentation that refuted your thread?

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I think if Oden would have had a few more years he would have gotten to that level. But his life was cut short before that could happen. The Oden who fought Dragon Kaido would have still lost pretty badly to Roger.

Don't worry about trolls. Anyone who compares Roger to Mihawk are just trying to raise the bar for their character without even having to believe it. So it's totally unnecessary to argue about that

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

The fact that every scene is a d*ck measuring contest for you is what's actually funny...
Roger is a dead character and at no point has Oda selected him as peak of power in OP.
Mihawk is a young character whose time is coming, when Zoro is at his strongest.
Roger wont be able to hold the candle to either of them. How can you miss such an obvious thing?

Please, Roger and Whitebeard have been portrayed as the pinnacle of strength in the series ever since their inception. Like Mihawk, whose been sitting around drinking with baboons, and hunting down characters like Don Fodder, has been "growing his strength" so his time will come to fight Zoro, and show the world they are the strongest. This isn't even two piece at this point, it's Nikpiece.

 

[nik87]

Please, Roger and Whitebeard have been portrayed as the pinnacle of strength in the series ever since their inception. Like Mihawk, whose been sitting around drinking with baboons, and hunting down characters like Don Fodder, has been "growing his strength" so his time will come to fight Zoro, and show the world they are the strongest. This isn't even two piece at this point, it's Nikpiece.

It's One Piece but you obviously need me to tell you how things are...
No, Roger and Whitebeard have been portrayed as a pinnacle of strength ONLY in their generation.
No other generation is prohibited to surpass them or to have surpassed them before they were even born.

Oda isnt making Roger into strongest swordsman ever, that is reserved for Zoro since he is one who seeks strength.
And who is awaiting him at the top, no matter how long it takes? Roger or Mihawk? You have one try to guess.
Must be hard to accept that Baboon tamer is stronger than Pirate King, huh?
What's even worse, what's even harder to accept is that the strongest swordsman ever will be no other than this guy:

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It's One Piece but you obviously need me to tell you how things are...
No, Roger and Whitebeard have been portrayed as a pinnacle of strength ONLY in their generation.
No other generation is prohibited to surpass them or to have surpassed them before they were even born.

Oda isnt making Roger into strongest swordsman ever, that is reserved for Zoro since he is one who seeks strength.
And who is awaiting him at the top, no matter how long it takes? Roger or Mihawk? You have one try to guess.
Must be hard to accept that Baboon tamer is stronger than Pirate King, huh?
What's even worse, what's even harder to accept is that the strongest swordsman ever will be no other than this guy:

Let me explain something to you. Roger and Whitebeard are the old Generation, Mihawk belongs to the mid generation, which is the Generation who can't surpass the old Generation. The new Generation (Worst Generation) will be the ones who surpass the old Generation. And the two who are apart of the Worst Generation that will surpass Roger and Whitebeard from the old Generation is Luffy and Blackbeard.

The only people Zoro will be surpassing of the old generation is Oden and Rayleigh. It's a hard pill to swallow, I know, but that's just how it is.

 

[nik87]

Let me explain something to you. Roger and Whitebeard are the old Generation, Mihawk belongs to the mid generation, which is the Generation who can't surpass the old Generation. The new Generation (Worst Generation) will be the ones who surpass the old Generation. And the two who are apart of the Worst Generation that will surpass Roger and Whitebeard from the old Generation is Luffy and Blackbeard.

The only people Zoro will be surpassing of the old generation is Oden and Rayleigh. It's a hard pill to swallow, I know, but that's just how it is.

No, no... Let me explain something to you.
Is Roger stronger than Imu, Ryuma, JoyBoy, Rocks D Xebec? You have nothing to put him above either of those individuals and all of them, perhaps excluding Imu, are older generation than Roger and nothing stops them from being above him.

Who says that mid generations cant surpass what you call old generation? Nobody else except you so keep the headcanons to yourself...
The new generation is Zoro. Luffy doesnt have to surpass Roger, Zoro does. Luffy's achievements will be greater than Roger's but individual strength will most likely stay below Roger's and Whitebeards because Luffy is not like Zoro to seek strength as life goal.

You know who else seeks strength as life goal and lives in boredom because he has no worthy challenge? That farmer with Hawk's eyes.
No, lol. Luffy aint surpassing either Roger or Whitebeard, they have never mirrored him in combat style, you are talking about Garp who was never the pinnacle of strength. Blackbeard will lose to Luffy who cant use his DF, that tells you how weak Blackbeard is, lol.

Zoro is surpassing every swordsman in existence, that's the toughest pill to swallow. The new sword god is here.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

No, no... Let me explain something to you.
Is Roger stronger than Imu, Ryuma, JoyBoy, Rocks D Xebec? You have nothing to put him above either of those individuals and all of them, perhaps excluding Imu, are older generation than Roger and nothing stops them from being above him.

Who says that mid generations cant surpass what you call old generation? Nobody else except you so keep the headcanons to yourself...
The new generation is Zoro. Luffy doesnt have to surpass Roger, Zoro does. Luffy's achievements will be greater than Roger's but individual strength will most likely stay below Roger's and Whitebeards because Luffy is not like Zoro to seek strength as life goal.

You know who else seeks strength as life goal and lives in boredom because he has no worthy challenge? That farmer with Hawk's eyes.
No, lol. Luffy aint surpassing either Roger or Whitebeard, they have never mirrored him in combat style, you are talking about Garp who was never the pinnacle of strength. Blackbeard will lose to Luffy who cant use his DF, that tells you how weak Blackbeard is, lol.

Zoro is surpassing every swordsman in existence, that's the toughest pill to swallow. The new sword god is here.

Man, you need to pass me some of those drugs you are taking.

Zoro has been likened to Rayleigh and Oden from the old Generation. How you are pulling Roger into this mix is beyond me.

And we got plenty of panels of people and the narrator hyping up Roger as him being the person that needs to be surpassed in order for the next Pirate King to be born. How you are adding "WSS" to the mix of all that is also beyond me, when he has absolutely zero links to that title. You just see Roger carrying a sword, and lump him into a title that probably didn't even exist in his time. Had Mihawk been around during Rogers era, he's be competing against the likes of Rayleigh and Oden. Roger is just to far beyond him to even mention them in the same breath.

 

[HA001]

Man, you need to pass me some of those drugs you are taking.

Zoro has been likened to Rayleigh and Oden from the old Generation. How you are pulling Roger into this mix is beyond me.

And we got plenty of panels of people and the narrator hyping up Roger as him being the person that needs to be surpassed in order for the next Pirate King to be born. How you are adding "WSS" to the mix of all that is also beyond me, when he has absolutely zero links to that title. You just see Roger carrying a sword, and lump him into a title that probably didn't even exist in his time. Had Mihawk bee around during Rogers era, he's be competing against the likes of Rayleigh and Oden. Roger is just to far beyond him to even mention them in the same breath.

Rogers a swordsman. Zoro will be the strongest swordsman in one piece history

 

[comrade]

@comrade Why don't you respond to people who have made a solid argumentation that refuted your thread?

What arguments? That a black blade has nothing to do with strength but it's the swordsman putting his soul into his sword?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Rogers a swordsman. Zoro will be the strongest swordsman in one piece history

He didn't always carry a sword with him. That came later in life to complete his pirate motif. We ain't going back into this argument that just because people know how to use a Sword, it automatically makes them a Swordsman in the traditional sense of what it means to be one.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

I think if Oden would have had a few more years he would have gotten to that level. But his life was cut short before that could happen. The Oden who fought Dragon Kaido would have still lost pretty badly to Roger.

Roger would upper mid diff non prime Oden since Oden will be tanking his hits.

Prime Oden is much above the Oden Roger fought
The Oden that reached his peak at 39 is above The Oden Roger fought.

Roger high diff prime Oden. There's no way Roger beats Oden mid/low diff.

 

[HA001]

He didn't always carry a sword with him. That came later in life to complete his pirate motif. We ain't going back into this argument that just because people know how to use a Sword, it automatically makes them a Swordsman.

So if you know how to use a sword and you fight with a sword youre NOT a swordsman ??? Do you lose braincells by the day or something ?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

So if you know how to use a sword and you fight with a sword youre NOT a swordsman ??? Do you lose braincells by the day or something ?

If you know how to fight with a gun, does it make you a gunman? Is Whitebeard a Bisentoman? Kaido's a clubman? Yaddy yada yada.....

 

[HA001]

If you know how to fight with a gun, does it make you a gunman? Is Whitebeard a Bisentoman? Kaido's a clubman? Yaddy yada yada.....

Er yes
If you use a gun and alway fight with it you are a guns user
Wb was indeed a weapons user
And yes kaido is a club user

 

[Finalbeta]

Being a swordsman means that swordsmanship is one of your styles, it doesn't necessarily have to be your main style for you to be considered like one. Or even not necessarily the only one at disposal.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Er yes
If you use a gun and alway fight with it you are a guns user
Wb was indeed a weapons user
And yes kaido is a club user

There's a difference in being a weapon user, and being considered a Swordsman, who embodies that way of life. Ryuma, Oden, Zoro, Mihawk the Samurais of Wano etc... They follow that path of lifestyle where the Sword is an extension of themselves. They are Swordsmen in the truest of sense.

People who pick up learning to use a Sword as a secondary way of fighting, are not to be considered Swordsman in the confines of the title. Roger in his younger days, as we have seen, did not carry a Sword with him. That's something he picked up later on in life. So he obviously has another fighting style that we have yet to see.

 

[HA001]

There's a difference in being a weapon user, and being considered a Swordsman, who embodies that way of life. Ryuma, Oden, Zoro, Mihawk the Samurais of Wano etc... They follow that path of lifestyle where the Sword is an extension of themselves. They are Swordsmen in the truest of sense.

People who pick up learning to use a Sword as a secondary way of fighting, are not to be considered Swordsman in the confines of the title. Roger in his younger days, as we have seen, did not carry a Sword with him. That's something he picked up later on in life. So he obviously has another fighting style that we have yet to see.

Why would he fight rox and wb with his lesser fighting style ?

 

[nik87]

Man, you need to pass me some of those drugs you are taking.

Zoro has been likened to Rayleigh and Oden from the old Generation. How you are pulling Roger into this mix is beyond me.

And we got plenty of panels of people and the narrator hyping up Roger as him being the person that needs to be surpassed in order for the next Pirate King to be born. How you are adding "WSS" to the mix of all that is also beyond me, when he has absolutely zero links to that title. You just see Roger carrying a sword, and lump him into a title that probably didn't even exist in his time. Had Mihawk been around during Rogers era, he's be competing against the likes of Rayleigh and Oden. Roger is just to far beyond him to even mention them in the same breath.

Lmao, you're still considering PK as strength achievement. Going to an island and finding a treasure makes you strongest of all.
WSS is added by Oda himself as one of the only 3 individuals who have obtained the title of the strongest.
Lmao, if Mihawk was in Roger's era he would be competing with Roger, the best swordsman, not inferior ones.

Roger is not far beyond anyone let alone beyond Zoro and Mihawk who will represent the pinnacle of power among all swordsmen.
I dont have to disappoint you that Oda wont make Roger, a side character who never had a full fight, into the strongest swordsman ever, because you are already aware of that but you still havent reached the last stage of grief, the acceptance.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Why would he fight rox and wb with his lesser fighting style ?

It's not a matter of a "lesser" fighting style, but rather incorporating the two styles into one.

Oda is making it pretty clear with Wano, the Samurai, Oden etc... That there is a distinction between those who are to be considered actual Swordsmen, and those who fight with a sword/weapon to compliment their already established fighting style.

It's always been apparent that there is a difference, otherwise Oda would never had needed to make characters (especially ones Zoro has faced) announce that they are Swordsmen. If everyone with a Sword is a swordsman, then announcing they are Swordsmen is redundant, and makes no sense.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

What the fuck has Zoro done for Kitesu to think he has potential that only Ryuuma their sword god had? Makes far more sense that black blades are common. Especially given we read Ryuuma awakened it after a lot of battles. Not because he had some super Ryou

Isn't that like asking what had Luffy done for Shanks to think he could do what Roger couldn't? At least with Zoro and Hitetsu, we had Zoro do something that only Oden had done (taming Enma) to base his assessment on.

And lol, if black blades were more common, why hasn't that actually been conveyed to us? We have several high-top tier swordsmen...yet only 2 swordsmen in history have made black blades.