Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1000 Spoilers Discussion

[zaman]

So does that mean that Zoro defeated the 4th strongest underling of doflamingo and needed help to do it?

The crew went Vergo > Rosinate > Trebol > Pica > Diamante

I don't know what's the link with zoro,and i don't totally agree with the ranking.I would put trebol in the last rank, and pica way higher.
Wdym Rosinante? He wasn't strong or anything.

Honestly Oden was a retired pirate who was going to coast in wano and was on the pirate kings ship. Kaidou kept being a pirate, so realistically, Oden was probably only going to be nerfed like rayleigh was due to inactivity, not bolstered like kaidou who kept big dicking his way through life.

We can argue he would train hard for the 20 year prophecy and then accept to decline as you said tho.

Also prime big mom is arguably stronger than current big mom tbh, she was the type who was born strong and the old age and brain damage probably slows her down, so I'd still say the power scale stays the same.

I don't see any upgrade or downgrade in power for Linlin, she is the real monster, more than Kaido, may be the moment she got her DF was the sole update, she was imo already more or less Yonko tier since a kid, due to her body and particularities. She rely more on her beeing a monster than anyone else.

Anyway Oden is dead homie, his corpse isn't doing anything, you're lucky I'm including him at all. Also since your post is essentially just saying kaidou isn't shit, the point is that kaidou got stronger. Also you could argue that SHiki, Captain John, Silver Axe, etc could have gotten stronger if they weren't
1) Removed of their legs + had a steering wheel of a ship in his head
2) Dead

My point is not to say Kaido is weak, if anything he is AT WORST top 3 currently. But to say that Oden wasn't really weaker despite what people say here.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I don't know what's the link with zoro,and i don't totally agree with the ranking.I would put trebol in the last rank, and pica way higher.
Wdym Rosinante? He wasn't strong or anything.


We can argue he would train hard for the 20 year prophecy and then accept to decline as you said tho.


I don't see any upgrade or downgrade in power for Linlin, she is the real monster, more than Kaido, may be the moment she got her DF was the sole update, she was imo already more or less Yonko tier since a kid, due to her body and particularities. She rely more on her beeing a monster than anyone else.

My point is not to say Kaido is weak, if anything he is AT WORST top 3 currently. But to say that Oden wasn't really weaker despite what people say here.

This guy is toxic, u shouldn’t have gotten into a debate with him

 

[WesMidnight]

May be he has nothing else to show beside base and dragon fish form, as i said in my last message, his DF is very odd.
If Oda wanted to show us a superior Kaido over Oden in their fight, he wouldn't have shown only Oden beating his ass in dragon form,and then Kaido winning due to a trick, but rather showing how overpowered were his others forms.

Making Kaido's victory seem like a bitter one relying on tricks was used effectively to make it a more tragic story for narrative purposes. Losing by a "little" is more tragic than losing by a lot, especially when it is deemed as foul play.
Kaido's dragon form is good for AoE but not good against singular fast opponents. If Luffy's current Ryuo infused G3 attack from this chapter draws some blood, then imagine what the elephant gattling gun Kaido soaked up due to his slowness/size in that form would have done.

 

[Oblivion]

The allure of "this isn't even my final form" is too much for Oda to resist, Kaido needs a trump card to pull out after Luffy pulls out his new trump card. Oda is not going to waste this on a non main fight.
Oda has saved all of his Yonko Commander Hybrids for their main fights also.

I can see this happening but it almost seems too op Kaidou one shotted boundman and stalemated big mom another Yonko all in base
Now Imagine his hybrid or even awakening

 

[duckman]

Oven is much stronger than Tamago but Tamago has higher bounty.Bounties are the sum of factors such as activity, power, captain influence, threat.Not only power.

Based off of what did you decide Oven was "much stronger" than Tamago?

I mean here on this site we say "Zoro is a fighter so obviously he's stronger", why does Tamago not get the same priv?

 

[zaman]

Making Kaido's victory seem like a bitter one relying on tricks was used effectively to make it a more tragic story for narrative purposes. Losing by a "little" is more tragic than losing by a lot, especially when it is deemed as foul play.
Kaido's dragon form is good for AoE but not good against singular fast opponents. If Luffy's current Ryuo infused G3 attack from this chapter draws some blood, then imagine what the elephant gattling gun Kaido soaked up due to his slowness/size in that form would have done.

I agree, understand my point : It's totally possible that Kaido could've been above Oden by a decent margin even in their fights, it won't shock me since oda loves to play with our mind and don't care that much about exact power level, but from what we saw, it's pretty clear where is the narrator's intention. Then again he loves to play with it.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

stupidest thing I’ve read today
Bad sushi doesn’t make someone faint bud....he only fainted after the wound was inflicted.

And even if he did faint from FOOD then that makes him even more pathetic....

sound effect on his stomach was the same one on luffy's stomach before sanji fed him in WCI. he was eating nothing but poison since he came to wano and huge amounts of it lol

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Luckily Kaido is a fish. So he oneshots?

this man is big brain

 

[WesMidnight]

Wait, are you claiming that Oden didn't have Ryuou? What Roger used against Oden wasn't ryuou, it was likely advanced haoshoku, which is whta whitebeard and roger clashed with right after. Roger objectively had ryuou, rayleigh literally probably learned ryuou because of oden, it's a hallmark of wano, it's more a technique than a power level or something, and if people like the yakuza boss have it, oden objectively had it.

I believe he had stage 2 barrier Ryuo, not stage 3 penetration Ryuo. The Yakuza boss only has barrier.
Kaido said the scabbards had the same Ryuo, but they don't have penetration Ryuo.
Plus circumstantial evidence of Oden dying in chains.
This is to hype Luffy as going beyond Kaido's previous nemesis Oden.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Killer > Sanji ? :zorothink:

 

[Zara]

@Light D Lamperouge

not avoiding spoilers this week? how come

also thoughts on King's L

 

[Blother Fertitta]

ZKK

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SCBlackMariav:yasu:

 

[zzShinichi]

What if Sanji is also in this chapter, but only in Luffy's flashback

 

[WesMidnight]

Not only will he had a hybrid form (which is obvious, all zoans do), he's going to have an awakened form as well, he's literally the strongest zoan in series, if he doesn't have awakened zoan after having his devil fruit for like 40+ years at least, then that's kind of a joke.

Maybe Kaidou is already in hybrid form though and that's what the horns are lol. But yeah, he will objectively have awakened.

Inb4 base Kaidou is much slimmer.

Yeah my only thoughts about the awakened form are that because this is the magikarp fruit maybe the dragon form itself is the mythical awakening which will be explained through exposition.
When I thought it was the dragon fruit I thought he would definitely have an awakened dragon form, but it's hard to tell with the new fruit reveal last chapter.

 

[zaman]

Killer > Sanji ? :zorothink:

Sadly. Shame how Oda clown Sanji since TS.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

What if Sanji is also in this chapter, but only in Luffy's flashback

Sanji death confirmed? :cheers:

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Sadly. Shame how Oda clown Sanji since TS.

Judges Son*
That’s how he got his last two bounties

 

[zaman]

Sanji death confirmed? :cheers:

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Judges Son*
That’s how he got his last two bounties

Would be better than him clowning in brothel ngl.
Not so hard to replace him either.

 

[Ravagerblade]

This guy is toxic, u shouldn’t have gotten into a debate with him

Agreed. A crazy person.

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Would be better than him clowning in brothel ngl.
Not so hard to replace him either.

Let's replace Sanji with Reiju.

 

[zaman]

Let's replace Sanji with Reiju.

Would've accepted if another girl wasn't already joining, Yamato, would fuck up the SH dynamics. We need a guy instead.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Would be better than him clowning in brothel ngl.
Not so hard to replace him either.

Facts, Zoro can cook, we saw in Wano

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

@Light D Lamperouge

not avoiding spoilers this week? how come

also thoughts on King's L

Someone tagged me lmao. I actually didn't read them fully, except the part of the 5 SN on the roof.