Future Events A scenario with BB as final villain

[Garp the Fist]

As far as the narrative shows us, Imu is the most pedestal-almighty character. Gorosei that are titled "Warrior God" (a far more extravagant title than Holy Knights) basically state and devote to Imu as the almighty creator of the world (or maybe civilization, whatever). Whatever strangeness BB has like his weird body and ability to consume 2 DFs and nullify DF powers by touch is imo unique and strong. But powerscaling-wise he doesn't hold a candle to Imu's narrative a literal deity of the world. If BB and Luffy are chosen ones then Imu is simply the god, the One who choose anything at his whim.

So, i think the only chance BB have to be the final villain is if:

- Imu choose BB as his vessel or something.

- BB manage to convince and manipulate Imu into actually giving away his power to BB. Like Joker manipulating Mr. Myzlptx and transforming into Emperor Joker. Less likely imo, its like no way Imu will deliberately give his power to someone else.

- BB use a certain mythical items that serve as a threat at Imu's weakness, for example by Ope2 no Mi's (Reverse Immortality Operation) or something. Making Imu vulnerable in some aspect, and kill him by other top secret artifact exploiting mortal weakness. The writing required for this to make sense is a great challenge tho. But if managed properly, its gun be gud.

Imu is a god as much as Enel was. Both are just deluded humans. Imu because of the Op Op fruit giving them immortality, Enel because he thought the Gura made him invincible.

There‘s nothing mystical or divine about Imu being called Creator.

All the original twenty are Creators. They didn’t actually create the world, just the World Government.

Blackbeard having two DFs is more unique than Imu being immortal. We have the explanation to explain Imu- the Op Op fruit. Anyone can become like Imu, as long as the user is willing to give up their lives to do the operation. Anybody else does what Blackbeard did, they would die.

 

[uyuu]

Imu is a god as much as Enel was. Both are just deluded humans. Imu because of the Op Op fruit giving them immortality, Enel because he thought the Gura made him invincible.

There‘s nothing mystical or divine about Imu being called Creator.

All the original twenty are Creators. They didn’t actually create the world, just the World Government.

Blackbeard having two DFs is more unique than Imu being immortal. We have the explanation to explain Imu- the Op Op fruit. Anyone can become like Imu, as long as the user is willing to give up their lives to do the operation. Anybody else does what Blackbeard did, they would die.

Well even if what Ivankov said is true and Imu is only immortal due to the operation, it doesnt explain him being able to change into element-eating demon and Gorosei's devotion towards him. For all i know if all it take to reach Imu's status is Immortal Operation, any Gorosei can just take Ope2 to receive the effects by forcing others to sacrifice already.

And if the only reason of Imu's hierarchy is immortal operation (thus anyone can achieve it as long as they can make anyone sacrifice) and not because of Imu's divine origin (the original creator of Devil Fruits or something similarly divine) frankly i'd be disappointed due to Imu being an originally regular human (instead of a central-lore godlike being).

 

[Reborn]

Well even if what Ivankov said is true and Imu is only immortal due to the operation, it doesnt explain him being able to change into element-eating demon and Gorosei's devotion towards him. For all i know if all it take to reach Imu's status is Immortal Operation, any Gorosei can just take Ope2 to receive the effects by forcing others to sacrifice already.

And if the only reason of Imu's hierarchy is immortal operation (thus anyone can achieve it as long as they can make anyone sacrifice) and not because of Imu's divine origin (the original creator of Devil Fruits or something similarly divine) frankly i'd be disappointed due to Imu being an originally regular human (instead of a central-lore godlike being / creature).

You answered your own question


20 nations formed World Government.

Let's assume that they formed a council named Gorosei to run the WG. Saint imu was in it.

Saint IMU gains hand on immortality. With time, other co-founders dies leaving only IMU as the only one left among original creator.


For others, he is Godly figure. Every CD owes to him and whole World government owes to him because he is akin to their Grand Ancestors and only surviving ancestor and therefore Gorosei having devotion towards him.


Problem isn't devotion - problem is the functioning of ope ope no mi.

Doffy clearly said - if he had power of ope ope no mi he would have been able to control national treasure and reigns over the world.


So, this implies imu got hands over ope ope no mi and used it to control national treasure but how?

 

[Garp the Fist]

Well even if what Ivankov said is true and Imu is only immortal due to the operation, it doesnt explain him being able to change into element-eating demon and Gorosei's devotion towards him. For all i know if all it take to reach Imu's status is Immortal Operation, any Gorosei can just take Ope2 to receive the effects by forcing others to sacrifice already.

And if the only reason of Imu's hierarchy is immortal operation (thus anyone can achieve it as long as they can make anyone sacrifice) and not because of Imu's divine origin (the original creator of Devil Fruits or something similarly divine) frankly i'd be disappointed due to Imu being an originally regular human (instead of a central-lore godlike being).

Well, the change is a simple explanation- he ate a DF. There’s nothing especially unique about what Imu did in front of Sabo. Kaido could do it. Hell, Momonosuke might even be able to do it. All the Gorosei tanked his attack as well.

And it’s not just the fact that Imu is immortal, but that he is the living progenitor of the Celestial Dragons. If someone made, say, Topman immortal, he wouldn’t get Imu’s position. Because Imu was there at the start of the World Gov, and it is from him and the other original kings that the modern day Celestial Dragon’s have their status in the world.

Now, there will be something unique about Imu that meant that they were chosen, out of all the other original kings, to be made the true king and given the Op Op fruit operation. But Imu won’t be a god, that’s not the world Oda has created. Imu and the Celestial Dragons are just humans. Doflamingo’s father and Mjosgard are the ones who need to be right, not the others.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

You cant see it because you are placing too much stock on what Whitebeard said years before. There can be many scenarios where BB is the final fight. A few off the top of my head:

(1) Strawhats vs Blackbeard happens at Raftel in parallel to revs vs WG (gorosei+holy knight) at Marijoa.

(2) Blackbeard invades Marijoa through Raftel instead of going after One Piece, kills Imu to become the king of the world

(3) All pirate alliance + revs bring down the WG + Marines. BB betrays/backstabs the alliance which sets up the final match. Alternatively, Luffy+Shanks+Dragon and their crew beat the WG+Marines. Blackbeard comes in the end to take out weakened opponents just like he did at Marineford.

 

[Jailer]

Blackbeard has actually a trope that made him break the rules of the verse power system. According to Gorosei he's the only one in history to have been able to obtsin a second power. That's a final boss trope in of itself.

Imu is a Celestial Dragon who got eternal youth surgery from ope ope no mi user of the past

He's not a god. Doffy and Enel thought of themselves as gods too lol.

 

[Koro]

I'm not on BB side. But i'd give an idea. Though, many people may have known this.

When Black Beard impaled Imu, he transfered Rock's will into Imu. By this process, Rock's will be revived by using Imu's body as the host vessel. And yes, it has been planned from the beginning by Black Beard

 

[Blazing Lion]

I have few issues or you can say I am not sure what oda is trying to do.


1) BBP portrayal is not in line with the portrayal of Beast pirates, BM pirates and RHP.

They are the only crew who resembles SHP totally

a) in terms of growth
b) in terms of chemistry and power distribution within the crew
c)and, them being the polar opposite of each other - one is dawn, other is night


So, one can easily conclude that the reason BBP hasn't been portrayed badass or dominating is they haven't peaked yet and their will peak will hit when SHs will hit the peak.

Issue is why oda hasn't build BBP or made them peak yet if they are really going down soon?

Why oda is making BB involved in various plots at the same time - egghead, winner island, against Garp to negotiate with WG - it gives vibe that BB is planning something big

2) Second issue is the timing of WG defeat


We learnt from Rayleigh that Roger pirates learnt true history at Laugh tale. And, we know true history will tell us what happened 800 years ago and how WG wiped AK.

Without knowing true history, I don't see why Oda will make SHs + allies wage war on WG?


So, shit isn't adding up

Its not the SHPs and allies that have to wage war on WG specifically, it can be the other way round with some indications already where Luffy is being targeted.

 

[Paperchampion23]

There is no possibility anymore at this stage .

Elbaf (Giant)- Laughtale(Finding One Piece and learning everything about true history - Final War (Strawhat's Dream come true) is the pathway. At least , last two arc want major villain.
We have just two main villain already . (Excepting Shanks).
Blackbeard is declared main villain of Laugh Tale arc already. (Shanks and CG will be involved this arc)
Imu is the one who main villain at end of the story . ( Marines , World Government and Pirate Kings fleet including Law,Kidd and other pirates.)

Id argue that God Valley is still on the docket and he may even go down there depending on what Oda intends to do. Really, his "grand war" could imply one of 2 things: either the fight for One Piece or the fight against the WG. Imo, its the latter that makes more sense though. Im not impartial to the Yonko directly fighting each other too on top of the Marines.

Anyway, Oda has only justifiably teased 4 additional islands beyond Egghead:

- Elbaf (refuses to ever actually reveal the island yet has had a flashback and Shanks/Kid scenes on it)
- God Valley (is the only namedropped/silhouetted island save for Lodestar and Laugh Tale that extends to its egnimatic nature)
- Lodestar
- Laugh Tale

Discounting Fullalead (which may it may not be visited, idk), the unfinished Underworld characters/plot, and the 4th RP/Burned Man, these 4 are what we are "teased" with.

Vegapunk didnt create Mother Flame during the God Valley incident (he was not with the WG 38 years ago), so whatever happened to the island evidently is not what happened to Lulusia.

Imo, Blackbeard and his allies may be fought on God Valley, similar to Rocks, by Luffy (Roger) and Koby (Garp). Shanks will certainly be involved because he originates from the island somehow, plus we know Figarlands ruled it in the past. And you may as well just throw CG there too. Im not necessarily sure what God Valley may entail, but I can Oda tying the 4th RP to it as well.


Lodestar/Laugh Tale may just have no one or it could be Shanks in this regard, because surpassing Roger is clearly a measure of the series and Shanks is evidently Roger's protege, good or bad. Thats just my opinion and this is the point where I envision Shanks revealing his true intentions.


Tldr: imho we have at minimum:

- Egghead = Kizaru
- Elbaf = Loki or God Elbaf
- God Valley = Burned Man/Blackbeard (maaaybe Fullalead, Underworld, or some other island before this as set up)
- Lodestar (setup)
- Laugh Tale = Shanks

Then you can have your war with the Government (and Marines if they arent involved in the above)

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Well, Blackbeard is a strategist and, above all, an opportunist. He can make good use of Luffy's war against the government to try to achieve his objectives through the efforts of others. LMAOO.

 

[mmd]

Id argue that God Valley is still on the docket and he may even go down there depending on what Oda intends to do. Really, his "grand war" could imply one of 2 things: either the fight for One Piece or the fight against the WG. Imo, its the latter that makes more sense though. Im not impartial to the Yonko directly fighting each other too on top of the Marines.

Anyway, Oda has only justifiably teased 4 additional islands beyond Egghead:

- Elbaf (refuses to ever actually reveal the island yet has had a flashback and Shanks/Kid scenes on it)
- God Valley (is the only namedropped/silhouetted island save for Lodestar and Laugh Tale that extends to its egnimatic nature)
- Lodestar
- Laugh Tale

Discounting Fullalead (which may it may not be visited, idk), the unfinished Underworld characters/plot, and the 4th RP/Burned Man, these 4 are what we are "teased" with.

Vegapunk didnt create Mother Flame during the God Valley incident (he was not with the WG 38 years ago), so whatever happened to the island evidently is not what happened to Lulusia.

Imo, Blackbeard and his allies may be fought on God Valley, similar to Rocks, by Luffy (Roger) and Koby (Garp). Shanks will certainly be involved because he originates from the island somehow, plus we know Figarlands ruled it in the past. And you may as well just throw CG there too. Im not necessarily sure what God Valley may entail, but I can Oda tying the 4th RP to it as well.


Lodestar/Laugh Tale may just have no one or it could be Shanks in this regard, because surpassing Roger is clearly a measure of the series and Shanks is evidently Roger's protege, good or bad. Thats just my opinion and this is the point where I envision Shanks revealing his true intentions.


Tldr: imho we have at minimum:

- Egghead = Kizaru
- Elbaf = Loki or God Elbaf
- God Valley = Burned Man/Blackbeard (maaaybe Fullalead, Underworld, or some other island before this as set up)
- Lodestar (setup)
- Laugh Tale = Shanks

Then you can have your war with the Government (and Marines if they arent involved in the above)

Shanks doesn't need another person?
I still think Burnt Man or a unique character will be added to Shanks

 

[Paperchampion23]

Shanks doesn't need another person?
I still think Burnt Man or a unique character will be added to Shanks

Arguably no, he has Rockstar I guess. But that could work too if hes an ally?

But this is ideally where I think Mihawk comes in. Not as a Shanks ally, just as a means to fight Zoro at a time that makes sense. I dont generally say this though because then I have WSS powerscalers jumping down my neck about it lol

 

[Deatheye]

Yeah, Imu had Blackbeard's wanted poster next to the wanted posters / photos of current joyboy, an ancient weapon and the descendant of Lily because he will be randomly defeated somewhere and will totally not influence the events around Imu's fall.

I swear some of you lack reading comprehension.

 

[mmd]

Arguably no, he has Rockstar I guess. But that could work too if hes an ally?

But this is ideally where I think Mihawk comes in. Not as a Shanks ally, just as a means to fight Zoro at a time that makes sense. I dont generally say this though because then I have WSS powerscalers jumping down my neck about it lol

I think Buggy and Shanks might unite
But something caught my attention since oda showed Yonko's pictures
red vs blue
Black vs white...I mean they face each other, not necessarily fight
Also, when Aokiji joins Teach, it's not good for Shanks that Rockstar is the last member...This is not my theory, but the parallel between the story of Shanks and Rosinante is interesting to me...If one of the knights is from Shanks's crew, that would be great for me

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yeah, Imu had Blackbeard's wanted poster next to the wanted posters / photos of current joyboy, an ancient weapon and the descendant of Lily because he will be randomly defeated somewhere and will totally not influence the events around Imu's fall.

I swear some of you lack reading comprehension.

Or he just hates D's (and sees those closest to One Piece) and is aware of Shirahoshi's lineage as poseidon. Not everything is a forshadow in this series lol. The marines complained up and down of the return of Rocks, and Luffy silenced that shit before it even became their issue.

 

[Jailer]

Or he just hates D's (and sees those closest to One Piece) and is aware of Shirahoshi's lineage as poseidon. Not everything is a forshadow in this series lol. The marines complained up and down of the return of Rocks, and Luffy silenced that shit before it even became their issue.

Yeah out of all D's, Luffy, Blackbeard and his hunch on Vivi being one lol.

 

[Tejas]

Is it still possible?

If yes, how?

Interested in the opinion of BB fans.

I failed to eloborate a believable scenario for this tbh

Teach journey to becoming final villain illustrated by Tejas

 

[ShinichiMugi]

The revs fighting the holy knights is what's directly told though? It's the fans headcanon that the government is last adversary in the the manga or whatever where as oda is telling us that they are the enemies of the revolutionaries and implying their fight is starting very soon.

This.
Blackbeard = Luffy villain
Imu = Sabo/Dragon villain
Akainu = Could be both Luffy or Sabo penultimate villain

For the OP: I dont get why it should be hard to elaborate a situation where BB is the final villain. Sounds pretty easy to me: Luffy and BB both on Laugh Tale to get the One Piece,they fight there.
"But,but,Madame Shirley's prophecy says Luffy is on FI,so final battle must be in Marejois". Is it Luffy though,or just someone wearing the Strawhat,the giant one thats in Marejois? And if its Luffy,who knows when that will happen!

 

[GoldDiamond]

Shanks

shanks coming after bb?? oda has already set up shanks vs bb, and bb defeating shanks further strengths bb vs luffy

 

[GUI VI]

-The scenario where BB is the final villain:
nonexistent