General & Others Anyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Yes, including Big Mom and Kizaru.

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#82
Luffy took a sword for a gag and because it is a theme of the arc.
Whoever fights at his best with a sword is a swordsman.
I really doubt anyone is nerfing himself on purpose just because they want to use the sword.

it´s just simply not his best arsenal.
What is better arsenal than a sword? What would have been better against Rayleigh than a sword itself?
 
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#85
Luffy took a sword for a gag and because it is a theme of the arc.
he fought with ony for real too. 1 attack.

Whoever fights at his best with a sword is a swordsman.
define "fights at their best". WB most powerful moves where purely gura based and he still picked his bisento on occasion.

I really doubt anyone is nerfing himself on purpose just because they want to use the sword.
did anyone say that? no one claimed that BMs sword is not an asset in fights. its just not the defining factor of the characters fightingstyle.
there is also the possibility that her most powerful attack we saw was with a sword. this still does not mean she is a swordsman.

if possible, a swordsman will always use a sword in combat.
BM and Kizaru have shown that they both do not always do so. Kizaru, in fact, only once did.
 
#89
Anybody who can handle a weapon sufficiently is their best with a weapon, this is a shitty argument.
Even if you count the defense alone, you are better with a weapon than without one, blocking attacks and such.
Does not imply and entail though that your strongest attacks have to rely on said weapon.
Kizaru used a sword against Rayleigh not because it was his strongest but most safe against someone like Rayleigh, a top tier swordsman.
And needed to keep him there while Sentoumaru was destroying the Strawhats.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#91
define "fights at their best". WB most powerful moves where purely gura based and he still picked his bisento on occasion.
Bisento infused with Gura is WB at his best.
did anyone say that? no one claimed that BMs sword is not an asset in fights. its just not the defining factor of the characters fightingstyle.
there is also the possibility that her most powerful attack we saw was with a sword. this still does not mean she is a swordsman.

if possible, a swordsman will always use a sword in combat.
BM and Kizaru have shown that they both do not always do so. Kizaru, in fact, only once did.
BM with a sword is she at her best, other two hommies alone can further boost her but by themselves alone are inferior.
Why do you think BM is not a swordsman if she is at her best when she uses a sword?

BM and Kizaru have not used a sword when they fought fodder but when they fought their hardest battle they made sure to sword-up.
 
#92
Kizaru have not used a sword when they fought fodder but when they fought their hardest battle they made sure to sword-up.
Kizaru assaulted Whitebeard using Yasakani no Magatama. And he shot Marco down using lasers. He shot a laser through Whitebeard's chest also.

It's like people using guns. Roger used a gun, Kaido used a gun to headshot Oden, Vergo was seen carrying a rifle. Blackbeard is carrying and using guns, Doffy uses a gun as a finisher.

The named attack Big Mom used (spear of elbaf) can be replicated with an axe as well. I think if Big Mom uses a high quality axe, infuses it with her soul and enhances it with prometheus, the outcome might be the same.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#93
This what happens when people wanna force their logic and statements into something Oda never meant

"When you are at your best then you are a swordman" a fanfiction made to try make everyone sworman in agenda to hype Posthawk. You dont even realise what you are creati


>Roger fought his best battle and War during golden era by using a gun and sword
>BM fought at God valley with a gun
>SKINNY BM gave a glimpse of BM best form when she fuses herself with homies or mix homies.

Stio trying to force your logic into OP

You can take away napoleon, she loses nothing! Nothing!!! Take away Zeus & Prometheus , she loses a lot except her Physical stats.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#94
Kizaru assaulted Whitebeard using Yasakani no Magatama. And he shot Marco down using lasers. He shot a laser through Whitebeard's chest also.
It's like people using guns. Roger used a gun, Kaido used a gun to headshot Oden, Vergo was seen carrying a rifle. Blackbeard is carrying and using guns, Doffy uses a gun as a finisher.
The named attack Big Mom used (spear of elbaf) can be replicated with an axe as well. I think if Big Mom uses a high quality axe, infuses it with her soul and enhances it with prometheus, the outcome might be the same.
None of those were an actual fight but cheap shot fest that Marineford was. When forced into a 1vs1 against Rayleigh, we saw how he fights, as a swordsman who ended up pissed because he couldn't catch the Supernovas. He was at his best with a sword.
Roger, Kaido, Vergo, Blackbeard, Doffy are not at their best with guns.
Zoro can perform Oni Giri with a scythe. What is your point?

You can take away napoleon, she loses nothing! Nothing!!! Take away Zeus & Prometheus , she loses a lot except her Physical stats.
As if Fire and Thunder can do anything to Kaido while a sword indeed can. Try again.
 
#96
Swordman: devoting to the way of the sword

Has nothing to do with weapon of choise
This is just a philosophical approach that makes certain swordsmen respect each other and not fight based on animosity but respect.
While One Piece definitely distinguishes between them (Mihawk, Ryuuma, Zoro...), it was never implied only them count as swordsman.
Shiryuu is a really despicable fella, is he not a swordsman anymore?
 
#97
None of those were an actual fight but cheap shot fest that Marineford was. When forced into a 1vs1 against Rayleigh, we saw how he fights, as a swordsman who ended up pissed because he couldn't catch the Supernovas. He was at his best with a sword.
Roger, Kaido, Vergo, Blackbeard, Doffy are not at their best with guns.
Zoro can perform Oni Giri with a scythe. What is your point?


As if Fire and Thunder can do anything to Kaido while a sword indeed can. Try again.
Why not do a sword slash to take out Whitebeard?
 
#98
Fine. If that’s the truth, and we must consider Big Mom and Kizaru swordsmen, then Mihawk’s title always has been a lie and he’s never been the WSS, because those two are stronger than him.
The only reason people make the absurd claim that people who use swords are not swordsmen is due to the existence of Zoro and Mihawk. Any attempt to make a distinction between "fake swordsmen" and "real swordsmen" by fans is almost always an attempt to, in most cases, downplay the powerlevel of Mihawk and EoS zoro.
Opposite of the truth, as its really used to protect the integrity of the argument and the perception of Mihawk's strength, by keeping people out of the discussion that are clearly stronger than him.

In reality, the people that insist on making this a discussion or whatever are the people that need it because they’re too hung up on titles that they overrate Mihawk because of it. I don’t care for this discussion myself one way or another, because it’s irrelevant to where Mihawk actually is.
 
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