Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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Kan Saro is stated to be the best commander in Seika aside from Shi Ba Shou.

Does that mean he is a stronger fighter than Fuu On and Gaku Shou? Is his army stronger than either the Gaku Shou or JKR armies? Is he a better strategist than Gaku Shou? A better leader? Is he the best because he's well-rounded? We don't know.

You need a lot of context to seriously examine anything and we simply do not have that context given the lack of data.
Come on mate, Gakushou flat out states that that Kan Saro is unquestionably the best amongst them. What more do you want? A signed essay from Hara himself explaining the strength of every single 1000 man commander in each section of the Seika Army?

Hara has the strength of an army reflect the strength of their leader since he doesn't typically go into the subordinates of subordinate Generals as creating and remembering that many characters would be tedious. If the subordinates of the 4 Great Heavens aren't revealed then what makes you think we are going to see the inner details of each part of the Seika Army?

It is pretty obvious that Kan Saro is going to be the best via brains since Ji Aga is confirmed to be the top brawn bloke and JKR claimed to be the previous top dog for strength.

The fact that Kan Saro was trusted with the most important task for the Zhao campaign this arc should tell you what everyone thinks of him. The man is the best Seika has to offer besides Shibashou himself.
So you are ignoring the circumstances of the battle, which I repeat were:
  • numbers
  • terrain
  • morale
  • conditioning


You hype up and talk down the Seika commanders in whichever context suits you. You have nothing to base your perceived skill or power gaps on. That's just your own headcanon.

The Seika Army DWARFED the combined mass of HSA+GKA vs Zhao already fighting BY ITSELF. It could easily be anywhere from 40,000 to 60,000 strong.


With all the advantages it had, what is it you find so impressive about the larger, fresher and better positioned army getting the the better of <10K army that was bleeding out and close to being overrun before reinforcements arrived?
First off, this is not the Seika Army. This is about 1/2 or 2/5 of the Seika Army consisting of the JKR Army and the Gakushou Armies. This would be like referring to the Keisha Army as the "Riboku Army" because Keisha was one of three Riboku deputies (along with Bananji and SSJ).

Second off, put other subordinate Generals in the place of those two and what would happen?

Gaku Ei and Shinmou? They would get steamrolled. Gaku Ei would be one shot by Shin, his army would crumble and Shinmou wouldn't hold back Mouten/Aisen/Rikusen let alone them getting assistance from Shin.

Kou Sen Ryuu and Rihaku? Another curb stomp. Whoever goes up against Shin immediately crumples and I seriously doubt either can hold against Mouten/Aisen/Rikusen.

Kyuu Gen and Haku Ki Sai? They wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Why? Because Shin and Mouten are pretty much touching the level of a Great General. Shin especially has the might of one. They are well above the level of the vast majority of subordinate Generals.

JKR and Gakushou are impressive by the standards of subordinate Generals since most subordinate Generals even with those advantages you listed would still crumple against either Shin or a Mouten/Aisen combo. That is the point.

Like myself and @SakazOuki have pointed out, JKR and Gakushou are lower on the Seika food chain compared to Ji Aga and Kan Saro, not to mention we have still got to get to SBS himself. This makes it look like the Seika Army as a whole is shaping up to be a Top Tier army. Lol.
 
Also, not to undermine the hype of these leaks but WHERE THE FUCK IS BA NAN JI AT THO?
i think he'll come later
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Like myself and @SakazOuki have pointed out, JKR and Gakushou are lower on the Seika food chain compared to Ji Aga and Kan Saro, not to mention we have still got to get to SBS himself. This makes it look like the Seika Army as a whole is shaping up to be a Top Tier army. Lol.
It's probably a bit harsh here given that GKS is > Jiaga overall. And just because Jiaga is a better fighter than JKR, it doesn't make him a better commander.

Particularly with the way Hara can write, for all we know Jiaga is all hax and zero balance.
 

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SBS's boys are now looking superb and all-round best vassals amongst any GG. What do you think ?
HK still above for now
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But I think at the end of the day

Seika army and Renpa army will be real real close

That how monster Seika army is
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And everyone keeps forgetting Seikaun the 10 bow of Zhao

I think that fucker will appear with SBS and will only fight the bros
 
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Come on mate, Gakushou flat out states that that Kan Saro is unquestionably the best amongst them. What more do you want? A signed essay from Hara himself explaining the strength of every single 1000 man commander in each section of the Seika Army?
No one is questioning Kan Saro's place as #1 - what is in contention are all the assumptions on why he is #1. You just assume all this other shit that there is no basis for in fact.

Hara has the strength of an army reflect the strength of their leader since he doesn't typically go into the subordinates of subordinate Generals as creating and remembering that many characters would be tedious. If the subordinates of the 4 Great Heavens aren't revealed then what makes you think we are going to see the inner details of each part of the Seika Army?
So you acknowledge that you don't have the data you would need to make the assumptions you have been making? Good. That's all I was saying.

It is pretty obvious that Kan Saro is going to be the best via brains since Ji Aga is confirmed to be the top brawn bloke and JKR claimed to be the previous top dog for strength.
If it's so obvious, why wasn't Kan Saro seen at any of the strategy meetings? Maybe Gaku Shou is a better strategist. Maybe Kan Saro's defining trait is leadership and that's why he is #1 and was in charge of training up the Roumou Army. Who knows? You and I certainly don't know.

The fact that Kan Saro was trusted with the most important task for the Zhao campaign this arc should tell you what everyone thinks of him. The man is the best Seika has to offer besides Shibashou himself.
Do you even realise you've basically been parroting "Kan Saro #1" without any pushback for several posts now? The pushback is against you taking the very few definitive statements we've had and stretching that to mean all kind of shit you have no way of knowing.

First off, this is not the Seika Army. This is about 1/2 or 2/5 of the Seika Army consisting of the JKR Army and the Gakushou Armies. This would be like referring to the Keisha Army as the "Riboku Army" because Keisha was one of three Riboku deputies (along with Bananji and SSJ).
I call them Seika Army because the "Gaku Shou Army and Jyou Ka Ryuu Army" would be long and unlike Kei Sha and Ri Boku, the Seika commanders hail from the same place. You are also - again- assuming all the armies the Seika generals are of equal size. How do you not see this as you type it out? It's mind-boggling.

Second off, put other subordinate Generals in the place of those two and what would happen?
Why, what relevance do these hypotheticals have in this specific context of you denigrating the (less than) 10K Gaku Ka Army against a bigger and fresher army led by Gaku Shou?

Why? Because Shin and Mouten are pretty much touching the level of a Great General. Shin especially has the might of one. They are well above the level of the vast majority of subordinate Generals.

JKR and Gakushou are impressive by the standards of subordinate Generals since most subordinate Generals even with those advantages you listed would still crumple against either Shin or a Mouten/Aisen combo. That is the point.
Wars are fought and won by soldiers. Numbers. Talent can make up for only so much and only to an degree. When it comes down to it, no amount of talent can substitute for spears in hands when the deficit is in the 10s of thousands and the enemy has such numerous advantages.

Like myself and @SakazOuki have pointed out, JKR and Gakushou are lower on the Seika food chain compared to Ji Aga and Kan Saro, not to mention we have still got to get to SBS himself. This makes it look like the Seika Army as a whole is shaping up to be a Top Tier army. Lol.
Gaku Shou is #2 but he's lower on the food chain than Ji Aga? Perhaps if you only value martial might, but in that case, why put Kan Saro ahead? Also, Ji Aga is only confirmed to be a stronger fighter than Jyou Ka Ryuu. there is nothing supporting him being a better commander. That's just another one of your many assumptions you try to pass off as fact.

Again, we have no idea what the gap between these commanders are. For all we know, Ji Aga is only a tiny bit stronger than JKR. Hell, JKR could actually be the #3 in Seika. Gaku Shou could actually be a better fighter than Kan Saro. We don't know these things because we have so little data.
 
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