Controversial General Political Discussion

[Okamakama]

Don't weasel your way out of this, you think your underhanded Nazi accusations like 'blood and soil' , '4chan argument' etc went unnoticed? And add as much flowery pseudo intellectual language as you want, you're not convincing anybody here

I was arguing AGAINST Blood and Soil. I believe that land cannot belong to a specific bloodline. I accused those who argue that Palestine should own the land are utilising RACIST blood and soil arguments.

If you believe that, like 4chan, the elites want this war to serve their ends, and the war, ultimately, will benefit the Jews who will colonize Gaza, then you're making a similar argument to them. That speaks nothing of my position. I'm just laughing at the horseshoe-effect that is right and left wing politics. Once you hit the extremes, they bend to meet.

Paint me a devil, but it does not make it true. Across the course of history, conquerors have effectively become the culture they took over. For example, the Mongolians and their integration into Russia, or the Romans who settled in Britain. The Anglo-Saxons and Normans too. The supposed indigenous of my homeland come from people who conquered the original owners of the land, lol.

I think it's more about cultural identity and recent history on that land, rather than past ownership. It's why I cited that if Palestine should have it due to 'ancestral ties' then under the same Blood and Soil rhetoric, it probably belongs to the Jews. This does not, in any shape or form, mean that I believe it belongs to the Jewish due to blood. I'm actually criticising the argument.

Damn bro.

 

[Phoenix D. King]

I was arguing AGAINST Blood and Soil. I believe that land cannot belong to a specific bloodline. I accused those who argue that Palestine should own the land are utilising RACIST blood and soil arguments.

If you believe that, like 4chan, the elites want this war to serve their ends, and the war, ultimately, will benefit the Jews who will colonize Gaza, then you're making a similar argument to them. That speaks nothing of my position. I'm just laughing at the horseshoe-effect that is right and left wing politics. Once you hit the extremes, they bend to meet.

Paint me a devil, but it does not make it true. Across the course of history, conquerors have effectively become the culture they took over. For example, the Mongolians and their integration into Russia, or the Romans who settled in Britain. The Anglo-Saxons and Normans too. The supposed indigenous of my homeland come from people who conquered the original owners of the land, lol.

I think it's more about cultural identity and recent history on that land, rather than past ownership. It's why I cited that if Palestine should have it due to 'ancestral ties' then under the same Blood and Soil rhetoric, it probably belongs to the Jews. This does not, in any shape or form, mean that I believe it belongs to the Jewish due to blood. I'm actually criticising the argument.

Damn bro.

agree with this entirely

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Don’t worry guys, this land belongs to me. I will end this war

Your Libyan DNA is new? When did you acquire it?

I was arguing AGAINST Blood and Soil. I believe that land cannot belong to a specific bloodline. I accused those who argue that Palestine should own the land are utilising RACIST blood and soil arguments.

If you believe that, like 4chan, the elites want this war to serve their ends, and the war, ultimately, will benefit the Jews who will colonize Gaza, then you're making a similar argument to them. That speaks nothing of my position. I'm just laughing at the horseshoe-effect that is right and left wing politics. Once you hit the extremes, they bend to meet.

Paint me a devil, but it does not make it true. Across the course of history, conquerors have effectively become the culture they took over. For example, the Mongolians and their integration into Russia, or the Romans who settled in Britain. The Anglo-Saxons and Normans too. The supposed indigenous of my homeland come from people who conquered the original owners of the land, lol.

I think it's more about cultural identity and recent history on that land, rather than past ownership. It's why I cited that if Palestine should have it due to 'ancestral ties' then under the same Blood and Soil rhetoric, it probably belongs to the Jews. This does not, in any shape or form, mean that I believe it belongs to the Jewish due to blood. I'm actually criticising the argument.

Damn bro.

You're becoming the new c4n with these apologetic walls of text

 

[Okamakama]

Your Libyan DNA is new? When did you acquire it?


You're becoming the new c4n with these apologetic walls of text

Or you're just unable to refute the fact that you are wrong about me. Chin up, Maynard, I can be a mightily biased individual at times. But, right now? You're absolutely wrong about me.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Anyways, this world needs more bunnies

 

[Okamakama]

agree with this entirely

Thank you. Ultimately, many racists want you to believe that a land belongs to a bloodline. That's stupid. Immigrants can have as much of a tie to a land as any native individual. My grandfather fought for my homeland when he was an immigrant. He loved the country, the land, the culture and the people. He was just as British as anyone else, in my opinion.

And it's part of why I'm so fucking proud of him. He may have been Indian by blood, but it wasn't his blood he identified with... it was where his heart belonged -- the culture he felt at home in -- and he was my hero growing up. But yes, I'm clearly just a (x)phobe.
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Don’t worry guys, this land belongs to me. I will end this war

Lads, new DNA just dropped.

 

[Okamakama]

dog whistle

Please read my following comments to see the point I was making about the political horse-shoe.

Ultimately, there are individuals who will have conspiracy theories.

On principle, I have nothing against Israel or Palestine. This entire thing is a shit-show. But I am tired of the racial purity arguments that are just covert ways of justifying terrorism.

Hamas was wrong to commit terror, but it's clear the Israeli government are not saints (note: not civilians). But I support Israel's right to feel anger over a recent atrocity.

 

[Photon]

If we can argue the 70 years of hurt, we can also argue that Israel, or that land, originally belonged to the Jews, once upon a time.

2023 and you still have this kind of reasoning lmao. I guess most Americans should be expelled from the US

If someone harmed my wife, killed her, raped her, I would see red. I can imagine a lot of Israelis feel that way.

Wtf are you on? That's quite the opposite of what actually happened, Israel invaded them first. It was just recently Hamas managed to put up somewhat of a fight. Before, Hamas could barely fight and they still bombed Gaza relentlessly, i know this because my country is one of the major supports in giving humanitarian aid, and i would say it was often that i saw the refugee camp, the hospital, the school that we built got decimated along with the innocent palestinians. What a joke

Peace, at this point, is rolling over for Islam and hoping they don't try to take more -- and should history be any proof (Ottomans, Saracens, etc) that isn't going to happen.

You be smoking weed man, Ottoman was literally a safe haven for jews compared to other parts of the world

 

[Okamakama]

2023 and you still have this kind of reasoning lmao. I guess most Americans should be expelled from the US



Wtf are you on? That's quite the opposite of what actually happened, Israel invaded them first. It was just recently Hamas managed to put up somewhat of a fight. Before, Hamas could barely fight and they still bombed Gaza relentlessly, i know this because my country is one of the major supports in giving humanitarian aid, and i would say it was often that i saw the refugee camp, the hospital, the school that we built got decimated along with the innocent palestinians. What a joke



You be smoking weed man, Ottoman was literally a safe haven for jews compared to other parts of the world

First point: I disagree, because my point was that blood and soil makes no sense. The Israeli's call it home now. It sucks, but it's how things are.

Second point: I believe, due to the nature of retaliation, that it's effectively impossible to ascertain (nor does it matter) who shot the first shot, so to speak. I understand why Israeli's would feel rage at what Hamas has done, irrespective of what happened before.

Third point: The point was not about Jews. These were warmongering groups that did not really peacefully coexist. They were conquerors. Islam believes it owns the holy land, at least that's the impression I have gotten from going out and speaking to protestors in my country. I am saying that I cannot see Palestine not wanting more once it's given something. It'll keep growing. After all, they believe they are justice, at least, it's radical wing does and it's supporters like yourself, who in this very message has accused Israel as being the ones at fault.

 

[NikaInParis]

2023 and you still have this kind of reasoning lmao. I guess most Americans should be expelled from the US



Wtf are you on? That's quite the opposite of what actually happened, Israel invaded them first. It was just recently Hamas managed to put up somewhat of a fight. Before, Hamas could barely fight and they still bombed Gaza relentlessly, i know this because my country is one of the major supports in giving humanitarian aid, and i would say it was often that i saw the refugee camp, the hospital, the school that we built got decimated along with the innocent palestinians. What a joke



You be smoking weed man, Ottoman was literally a safe haven for jews compared to other parts of the world

The very wording "rolling over for Islam" (not Muslims, not Palestinians) tells you all you need to know about his views on this conflict and Palestinians/Muslims in particular

No point in engaging with his sort

 

[Roo]

Your Libyan DNA is new? When did you acquire it?

It just means they were able to update it from what was previously there “general North African” after more genetic research

 

[Okamakama]

The very wording "rolling over for Islam" (not Muslims, not Palestinians) tells you all you need to know about his views on this conflict and Palestinians/Muslims in particular

No point in engaging with his sort

Given that Muslims were chanting Gas the Jews in Sydney, I think you can see why I'd strongly word it as "rolling over for Islam". Because there are Muslims who really do want Israel, and it's people, to die, horribly at that. In fact, there were celebrations ALL OVER THE WORLD about the attacks. In Canada. In the UK. In Australia and Germany and many many more places.

Try hiding behind "it's a small minority of people -- just Hamas -- promise!" when evidence in the wake of this has proven that the Muslim world has almost universally applauded this travesty. If they ever disavow it they go: "Yeah, but Israel -something something- they started it," which is just deflecting. An inability to call out the bad actors in your own group is indicative of deep-rooted prejudices within said group. That might not mean they hate Jews, but they certainly support their Muslim brothers regardless of the atrocities they may commit.
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It just means they were able to update it from what was previously there “general North African” after more genetic research

Grats man. You can go and get your own plot of land over there now. It's yours, by right.

 

[Okamakama]

No you can't say that it's islamophobic how dare you say that!!

It's not just Isreal or jews. America and Europe is next. Good luck

How dare I speak the truth on bad actors... on genocidal intent and desire? It makes me such a bad person .

 

[Zenos7]

Edit: being a Jew and European is not mutually exclusive, wtf are you talking about?

I mean, thats my point lol.
Doesnt really.matter if its 10% jewish or 80% or whatever.

 

[Tobra]

If we can argue the 70 years of hurt, we can also argue that Israel, or that land, originally belonged to the Jews, once upon a time.

If you want to go back to who owned it first then it belongs to the canaaites which are present levant arabs lmao

 

[Okamakama]

If you want to go back to who owned it first then it belongs to the canaaites which are present levant arabs lmao

Blood and soil is stupid. As is the concept of indigenous. My point is that the land does not rightfully belong to anyone.

 

[Tobra]

Disagree but it’s alright


idk who but someone said since israel exists now they’re here to stay there’s no way around it, but that’s actually not true any country can cease to exist even in today, many countries ceased after existing for centuries and thats true to every country im not talking about just israel, but dissolving countries in this period of time is hard but possible

 

[Photon]

First point: I disagree, because my point was that blood and soil makes no sense. The Israeli's call it home now. It sucks, but it's how things are.

But the different is from the 1947 up until now, the invasion is still happening.

Second point: I believe, due to the nature of retaliation, that it's effectively impossible to ascertain (nor does it matter) who shot the first shot, so to speak. I understand why Israeli's would feel rage at what Hamas has done, irrespective of what happened before

It's literally simple, Israel did with the help of colonizer. You have your home robbed and you would do nothing?

After all, they believe they are justice, at least, it's radical wing does and it's supporters like yourself, who in this very message has accused Israel as being the ones at fault.

Israel is in fact the one in fault, no mental gymnastic can help. Not saying Hamas is not on fault for killing Israeli civillians, they are. But Israel started it, of course the focus should be on Israel. Handling Hamas would do nothing if Israel can still get out of the war crimes they do. In fact, doing so might even initiate an even bigger anger on the palestinian, creating possible an even bigger conflict. Stop Israel first then we can talk about Hamas

Given that Muslims were chanting Gas the Jews in Sydney, I think you can see why I'd strongly word it as "rolling over for Islam". Because there are Muslims who really do want Israel, and it's people, to die, horribly at that. In fact, there were celebrations ALL OVER THE WORLD about the attacks. In Canada. In the UK. In Australia and Germany and many many more places

Look @NikaInParis

It's quite funny it's literally these kind that keep on doing generalization on muslims.

You also have this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/ipNplDorqAk?si=wdQ2p2KcuZohcxUX

What's your point? There are always extremists on both side

That's just factually incorrect. Arab countries started the war in 1948 after the independence. Just making up things at this point

Yeah because you ought to do nothing qhen your home is invaded right?

No you can't say that it's islamophobic how dare you say that!!


It's not just Isreal or jews. America and Europe are next. Good luck

Outdated. Islam despises public sexual affection, even for hetero. Do your private business in your private place, be well-mannered. Islam rules you can't trespass someone property unlike certain group is doing lol

 

[NikaInParis]

But the different is from the 1947 up until now, the invasion is still happening.



It's literally simple, Israel did with the help of colonizer. You have your home robbed and you would do nothing?




Israel is in fact the one in fault, no mental gymnastic can help. Not saying Hamas is not on fault for killing Israeli civillians, they are. But Israel started it, of course the focus should be on Israel. Handling Hamas would do nothing if Israel can still get out of the war crimes they do. In fact, doing so might even initiate an even bigger anger on the palestinian, creating possible an even bigger conflict. Stop Israel first then we can talk about Hamas





Look @NikaInParis

It's quite funny it's literally these kind that keep on doing generalization on muslims.

You also have this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/ipNplDorqAk?si=wdQ2p2KcuZohcxUX

What's your point? There are always extremists on both side



Yeah because you ought to do nothing qhen your home is invaded right?




Outdated. Islam despises public sexual affection, even for hetero. Do your private business in your private place, be well-mannered. Islam rules you can't trespass someone property unlike certain group is doing lol

He can talk about not generalizing, having a right to defend themselves when the topic is Israelites
Turn the page to Muslims and all of a sudden the mask comes off and the dog whistles start blowing

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

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