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NAMELESS

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The usual users with retarded takes. This place is back.
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Soyz said:
No no, people told me they don't care about the hostages and only want to kill palastians. also wtf are u talking about, if u kidnap someone and put him in the trunk, and then the army doesn't know someone in the trunk and blows up the vehicle killing the hostage it's the terrorist fault
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Collateral damage happens in any war, there were around 41k civilian deaths in the Russian-Ukraine war. Nobody is crying genocide. Crimes of war happen in any conflict, both sides do it too. Nobody is saying shit about war crimes in Ukraine either. Most of these anti-Israel takes are retarded appeal to emotion, some of it is Hamas propaganda and left wing rhetoric. They do it to defame Israel.
 
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Brush D. Teeth

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Soyz said:
No no, people told me they don't care about the hostages and only want to kill palastians. also wtf are u talking about, if u kidnap someone and put him in the trunk, and then the army doesn't know someone in the trunk and blows up the vehicle killing the hostage it's the terrorist fault
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The Israelis did huge demonstrations for the hostages, the government needs to save some if they can.
Also no the civilians were killed in the open, the army just didn't care much about them.
NAMELESS said:
The usual users with retarded takes. This place is back.
Collateral damage happens in any war, there were around 41k civilian deaths in the Russian-Ukraine war. Nobody is crying genocide. Crimes of war happen in any conflict, both sides do it too. nobody is saying shit about war crimes in Ukraine either. Most of these anti-Israel takes are retarded appeal to emotion, some of it is Hamas propaganda and left wing rhetoric. They do it to defame Israel.
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41k casualties. I thought I had explained the difference between deaths and casualties, but it seems you didn't understand. Unfortunately, I don't speak Portuguese but hopefully someone else can help you.
 
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NAMELESS

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Brush D. Teeth said:
The Israelis did huge demonstrations for the hostages, the government needs to save some if they can.
Also no the civilians were killed in the open, the army just didn't care much about them.

41k casualties. I thought I had explained the difference between deaths and casualties, but it seems you didn't understand. Unfortunately, I don't speak Portuguese but hopefully someone else can help you.
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Actually research shit before posting. You would avoid embarrassing yourself. Israel killed comparatively less, the high % of civies deaths is caused by the high urban density of Gaza(millions living in a tiny place):

(Gaza-Palestine)
As of 8 January 2025, over 47,000 people – 45,936 Palestinian[2] and 1,706 Israeli[19] – have been reported killed in the Israel–Hamas war, as well as 166 journalists and media workers,[22] 120 academics,[23] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.[24] Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians,[25][26][27][28] while a study by OCHR, that verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of Palestinians killed were women and children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war

(Ukraine-Russia)
Ukraine civies dead-12,456
Russian civies dead-57.500~100.000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=Civilian deaths,-A civilian killed&text=This included 34,047 (9,824 killed,armed forces or their affiliates.

The narrative that Israel is doing an ethic cleanse and aiming to annex Gaza is down the drain now that there is a ceasefire. Why would they stop now when they have the upper hand?
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Brush D. Teeth said:
The Israelis did huge demonstrations for the hostages, the government needs to save some if they can.
Also no the civilians were killed in the open, the army just didn't care much about them.

41k casualties. I thought I had explained the difference between deaths and casualties, but it seems you didn't understand. Unfortunately, I don't speak Portuguese but hopefully someone else can help you.
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NO, WANNABE SMARTASS! DEATHS NOT CASUALTIES!
As of 2024, the attacks had resulted in the UN-documented deaths of between 11,000[9] and estimated 40,000 dead civilians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
 
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Soyz

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Brush D. Teeth said:
The Israelis did huge demonstrations for the hostages, the government needs to save some if they can.
Also no the civilians were killed in the open, the army just didn't care much about them.

41k casualties. I thought I had explained the difference between deaths and casualties, but it seems you didn't understand. Unfortunately, I don't speak Portuguese but hopefully someone else can help you.
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yeah civilians got killed in the open by hamas, the army didnt shoot them thats just completly false.
 
Brush D. Teeth

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NAMELESS said:
Actually research shit before posting. You would avoid embarrassing yourself. Israel killed comparatively less, the high % of civies deaths is caused by the high urban density of Gaza(millions living in a tiny place):

(Gaza-Palestine)
As of 8 January 2025, over 47,000 people – 45,936 Palestinian[2] and 1,706 Israeli[19] – have been reported killed in the Israel–Hamas war, as well as 166 journalists and media workers,[22] 120 academics,[23] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.[24] Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians,[25][26][27][28] while a study by OCHR, that verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of Palestinians killed were women and children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war

(Ukraine-Russia)
Ukraine civies dead-12,456
Russian civies dead-57.500~100.000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=Civilian deaths,-A civilian killed&text=This included 34,047 (9,824 killed,armed forces or their affiliates.

The narrative that Israel is doing an ethic cleanse and aiming to annex Gaza is down the drain now that there is a ceasefire. Why would they stop now when they have the upper hand?
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NO, WANNABE SMARTASS! DEATHS NOT CASUALTIES!
As of 2024, the attacks had resulted in the UN-documented deaths of between 11,000[9] and estimated 40,000 dead civilians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
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You send me a random Wikipedia link, which links back to some document that doesn't even say 41k. 40k dead civilians was just a methematical projection made in 2023, and it included 10k dead civilians in the Russian occupied territories.
Meanwhile, I can post a UN link from October '24 that says 11,973.
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15857.doc.htm
By the way, recent estimates about the Gaza conflict calculate that the death toll is probably much higher than what said by the Gaza Health Ministry.
Soyz said:
yeah civilians got killed in the open by hamas, the army didnt shoot them thats just completly false.
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I am talking about Israeli sources citing Israeli witnesses.
 
Logiko

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NAMELESS said:
The narrative that Israel is doing an ethic cleanse and aiming to annex Gaza is down the drain now that there is a ceasefire. Why would they stop now when they have the upper hand?
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You should really learn a bit of international right before posting ignorant nonsense about death in conflicts.

And do not bother reply to that, this is not a request to have a discussion.
 
NAMELESS

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Logiko said:
You should really learn a bit of international right before posting ignorant nonsense about death in conflicts.

And do not bother reply to that, this is not a request to have a discussion.
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Shut up, you don't have any arguments. Take your advice, hit the books and find something to do.
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Uncle Van said:
Say anything relating to Israel or Hamas means you love rape.

Gotta love the constant appeal to emotion and strawmanning from everyone
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I didn't see anyone defending Israeli crimes here, on the other hand...
 
NAMELESS

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Brush D. Teeth said:
You send me a random Wikipedia link, which links back to some document that doesn't even say 41k. 40k dead civilians was just a methematical projection made in 2023, and it included 10k dead civilians in the Russian occupied territories.
Meanwhile, I can post a UN link from October '24 that says 11,973.
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15857.doc.htm
By the way, recent estimates about the Gaza conflict calculate that the death toll is probably much higher than what said by the Gaza Health Ministry.

I am talking about Israeli sources citing Israeli witnesses.
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, the wikipedia link has articles talking about ALL estimates. These numbers are all estimates, btw. Pick and choose what you want to believe. You are so lazy that you din't even bother to read the contents of those articles. There is a bunch of links in there, including UN ones. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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Brush D. Teeth

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NAMELESS said:
, the wikipedia link has articles talking about ALL estimates. These numbers are all estimates, btw. Pick and choose what you want to believe. You are so lazy that you din't even bother to read the contents of those articles. There is a bunch of links in there, including UN ones. Stop embarrassing yourself.
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Honey, an estimate is different from a future projection. By the way, how could I know it was a mathematical projection if I didn't read it.
 
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