General & Others It is impossible for Big Mom to win
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to be honest if Oda wants no , he already is showing her huffing and panting , she herself is saying that she is beat , Law and Kid attacked her after that, so if Oda wants her down he can do that, so he can for example make her lose her power up after the last attacks which would mean Kid and Law would be able to defeat her, but yes it is possible as well that they just keep her from going to the top.
Oda in this chapter made a solid ground for both options.
Oda in this chapter made a solid ground for both options.
No she is a yonko, a pirate king competitor, that has directly fucked with Luffy, and that Luffy has personally said he will take her down.
Her crew are MIA, she has said she will betray Kaido, she now has half of Sanji's somewhat redeemed family held captive, the ongoing plot thread with the charcters from Elbaf is also in play. You can say she is of secondary relevance to this arc, but she was the first yonko Luffy came into conflict with in the post-TS, both over the phone and directly, and he promised Kat that he would beat her, as well as promising her she was next after Kaido multiple times. Kidd and Law have scaled back their ambition in this chapter to just stalling her from the roof.
BM losing before Kaido dehypes the feat of someone from the new generation taking down a yonko, her losing after seems kind of anti-climactic.
Her crew are MIA, she has said she will betray Kaido, she now has half of Sanji's somewhat redeemed family held captive, the ongoing plot thread with the charcters from Elbaf is also in play. You can say she is of secondary relevance to this arc, but she was the first yonko Luffy came into conflict with in the post-TS, both over the phone and directly, and he promised Kat that he would beat her, as well as promising her she was next after Kaido multiple times. Kidd and Law have scaled back their ambition in this chapter to just stalling her from the roof.
BM losing before Kaido dehypes the feat of someone from the new generation taking down a yonko, her losing after seems kind of anti-climactic.
Your opinion lol. Luffy's victory over Kaido is still bigger because he does it alone, not together with another pirate. Oda wouldn't have designated a vs title to this fight if she wasn't meant to lose. He wouldn't have had them get up again if she wasn't meant to lose. He wouldn't have made a clear hint to their victory in Killer's chapter if she wasn't meant to lose.
I'm convinced all of this is just portrayal and you guys dislike it. Let the fight actually happen and finish, then make judgments on that. It could be way better than you are thinking because it hasn't actually happened yet and the main portions of the battle haven't really been drawn. See if lasts another chapter, or 2, or 10. Make judgements based on that, not before.
I'm convinced all of this is just portrayal and you guys dislike it. Let the fight actually happen and finish, then make judgments on that. It could be way better than you are thinking because it hasn't actually happened yet and the main portions of the battle haven't really been drawn. See if lasts another chapter, or 2, or 10. Make judgements based on that, not before.
STFU she literally spared their lives after their crew begged her, then they proceeded to sneak attack her
Midd already changed his goal to just stall Big Mom
Big Mom is not using most of her arsenal and she doesn't even need to
and most importantly Midd is not taking down a Yonko before Luffy, that's a given
Midd already changed his goal to just stall Big Mom
Big Mom is not using most of her arsenal and she doesn't even need to
and most importantly Midd is not taking down a Yonko before Luffy, that's a given
Nonsense
if they lose, the alliance is screwed regardless of whether it happens before or after kaido’s defeat
she’s sacrificed her life and is exhausted
So are you just a kid hater then?
kid isn’t beating an emperor before Luffy, he’s winning 2v1
if they lose, the alliance is screwed regardless of whether it happens before or after kaido’s defeat
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she’s sacrificed her life and is exhausted
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So are you just a kid hater then?
kid isn’t beating an emperor before Luffy, he’s winning 2v1
I would dislike it because:
BM has been a primary antagonist for over 400 chapters, (and foreshadowed when Garp first spoke of her)
she had two arcs directly hyping up the conflict between Luffy and her and two arcs indirectly doing so, even in this arc multiple times Luffy
BM only cares about Luffy, that is why she came to Wano in the first place
her crew isn't all here, if they are stuck on their ship when she "falls" then that will be an incredibly clownish look
the Germa cover story in this chapter becomes very strange.
They won't "lose" in their goal of keeping her from the roof long enough for Luffy to win, at that point she will run away/ betray Kaido as she has already said she might...
BM has been a primary antagonist for over 400 chapters, (and foreshadowed when Garp first spoke of her)
she had two arcs directly hyping up the conflict between Luffy and her and two arcs indirectly doing so, even in this arc multiple times Luffy
BM only cares about Luffy, that is why she came to Wano in the first place
her crew isn't all here, if they are stuck on their ship when she "falls" then that will be an incredibly clownish look
the Germa cover story in this chapter becomes very strange.
They won't "lose" in their goal of keeping her from the roof long enough for Luffy to win, at that point she will run away/ betray Kaido as she has already said she might...
I think you guys have to understand that the way Oda "defeated" Big Mom was by having Luffy:
- Defeat 2 sweet commanders
- Destroy her castle and her party
- Steal her Poneglyphs
- Get back Sanji and Jinbe
Morgan's has a whole article about this, and it's why he gets his 1.5 billion bounty. It hasn't really been "built up" 400 chapters. Their animosity started in Fishman Island, then it continued in WCI after DR/Zou stuff happened offscreen.
After this point. She's been largely irrelevant to Luffy. Kaido on the otherhand has been a primary focus since Punk Hazard, as the Smile plotline begins and ends with him. He's the 400 chapter built up plotline, not Big Mom
- Defeat 2 sweet commanders
- Destroy her castle and her party
- Steal her Poneglyphs
- Get back Sanji and Jinbe
Morgan's has a whole article about this, and it's why he gets his 1.5 billion bounty. It hasn't really been "built up" 400 chapters. Their animosity started in Fishman Island, then it continued in WCI after DR/Zou stuff happened offscreen.
After this point. She's been largely irrelevant to Luffy. Kaido on the otherhand has been a primary focus since Punk Hazard, as the Smile plotline begins and ends with him. He's the 400 chapter built up plotline, not Big Mom
"Big Mom needs to have her own 1 vs 1 against Luffy in Elbaf/WCI, she can't fall in Wano"
Meanwhile Luffy :
Meanwhile Luffy :
1. Statement comparison btw Luffy, Law & Kidd vs the Yonko:
vs. Kaido
*Luffy (Time after time): ‘I’ll definitely beat Kaido’
*Kidd (On the way to Onigashima, bickering with Luffy): Kaido's head is mine
- vs. Linlin
*Kidd & Law (Rooftop): We have to separate those two (i.e. Linlin & Kaido) from each other
*Kidd (After rooftop looking for Linlin in the Castle): We can’t let her (i.e. Linlin) regroup with Kaido
*Law (Chapter 1031): Looks like I'll have to take down monsters like you if I wanna uncover the true history
*Kidd (Chapter 1031): Even if it costs me my life, I'm gonna rip you off your throne
*Kidd (Chapter 1038): Hahaha...for some reason I get the feeling I'm fighting for something else entirely... (*in response to Linlin: "Looks like you brats really want my head")
*Law/Kidd (Chapter 1038): Even if I die I'm not gonna let you go to the roof (*in the context of Kaido falling to Luffy soon)
Even tho, there's a bit of bravado thrown for good measure, from the above, you can see a very consistent pattern in the messaging for both fights. (i.e. Luffy wants to beat Kaido and Law & Kidd want to separate Big Mom from Kaido)
2. Panel Time comparison btw Luffy v Kaido & Law & Kidd v Linlin
Can't be arsed to count the panels lol but I think the majority of us will agree that there is no debate here. Hell the panel time of Law & Kidd v Linlin doesn't even compare to that of Sanji v Queen or Zoro v King and most of the Law & Kidd v Linlin fight has been off-paneled
3. Portrayal & Fight Progression
Luffy v Kaido
- Luffy has been progressively getting stronger in this fight with Kaido and is now able to fight him on equal footing last time we saw them and is still yet to use any new gears or even Gear 4th in this fight.
Law & Kidd v Linlin
- There's been little to no progression in this fight with Linlin and both Law and Kidd have already used up their trump cards.
- Until they used their awakenings, Law & Kidd were getting pressed heavy by Linlin and the use of their awakenings only resulted in Linlin powering up
- As of the latest chapter they were getting their asses handed to them so bad that their crew mates were begging Linlin to stop attacking them. Both were able to get in shots at the end but there's no indication that the current pattern in the fight is gonna change.
Be it messaging, panel time, fight progression or even potrayal there is a stack difference between the way both fights are written.
Right now this fight has "draw/inconclusive" written all over it and given the direction of this chapter, imo the nail in the coffin for this conclusion will be if we go to Luffy v Kaido next chapter.
vs. Kaido
*Luffy (Time after time): ‘I’ll definitely beat Kaido’
*Kidd (On the way to Onigashima, bickering with Luffy): Kaido's head is mine
- vs. Linlin
*Kidd & Law (Rooftop): We have to separate those two (i.e. Linlin & Kaido) from each other
*Kidd (After rooftop looking for Linlin in the Castle): We can’t let her (i.e. Linlin) regroup with Kaido
*Law (Chapter 1031): Looks like I'll have to take down monsters like you if I wanna uncover the true history
*Kidd (Chapter 1031): Even if it costs me my life, I'm gonna rip you off your throne
*Kidd (Chapter 1038): Hahaha...for some reason I get the feeling I'm fighting for something else entirely... (*in response to Linlin: "Looks like you brats really want my head")
*Law/Kidd (Chapter 1038): Even if I die I'm not gonna let you go to the roof (*in the context of Kaido falling to Luffy soon)
Even tho, there's a bit of bravado thrown for good measure, from the above, you can see a very consistent pattern in the messaging for both fights. (i.e. Luffy wants to beat Kaido and Law & Kidd want to separate Big Mom from Kaido)
2. Panel Time comparison btw Luffy v Kaido & Law & Kidd v Linlin
Can't be arsed to count the panels lol but I think the majority of us will agree that there is no debate here. Hell the panel time of Law & Kidd v Linlin doesn't even compare to that of Sanji v Queen or Zoro v King and most of the Law & Kidd v Linlin fight has been off-paneled
3. Portrayal & Fight Progression
Luffy v Kaido
- Luffy has been progressively getting stronger in this fight with Kaido and is now able to fight him on equal footing last time we saw them and is still yet to use any new gears or even Gear 4th in this fight.
Law & Kidd v Linlin
- There's been little to no progression in this fight with Linlin and both Law and Kidd have already used up their trump cards.
- Until they used their awakenings, Law & Kidd were getting pressed heavy by Linlin and the use of their awakenings only resulted in Linlin powering up
- As of the latest chapter they were getting their asses handed to them so bad that their crew mates were begging Linlin to stop attacking them. Both were able to get in shots at the end but there's no indication that the current pattern in the fight is gonna change.
Be it messaging, panel time, fight progression or even potrayal there is a stack difference between the way both fights are written.
Right now this fight has "draw/inconclusive" written all over it and given the direction of this chapter, imo the nail in the coffin for this conclusion will be if we go to Luffy v Kaido next chapter.
Luffy said he'd beat HER directly on WCI after beating one of those sweet commanders.
After beating the second of those sweet commanders, he said to Katakuri, who he developed mutual respect with, that he'd take down Big Mom personally.
Big Mom doesn't consider any of the above as legit losses, and came to Wano to challenge Luffy,
Luffy restated that he would beat her after Kaido, in line with what he has been saying the entire post time skip.
Luffy doesn't feel it's pointless and actively wants to show his dominance against all of the yonko to solidify his position as PK.
If Big Mom runs after Luffy wins, then that is a win over her again to narratively beat her without needing to go through the motions necessarily.
After beating the second of those sweet commanders, he said to Katakuri, who he developed mutual respect with, that he'd take down Big Mom personally.
Big Mom doesn't consider any of the above as legit losses, and came to Wano to challenge Luffy,
Luffy restated that he would beat her after Kaido, in line with what he has been saying the entire post time skip.
Luffy doesn't feel it's pointless and actively wants to show his dominance against all of the yonko to solidify his position as PK.
If Big Mom runs after Luffy wins, then that is a win over her again to narratively beat her without needing to go through the motions necessarily.
If we go to Luffy next chapter, then it just means the scene shifts until he comes back to finish the fight. It's not really about "focus". Lesser characters like Jack were offscreened and then defeated in 1 move.
Nothing really changes that here. I do hope they get good screentime the 2-3 chapters at least. The more, the better, but she is going down here. Oda wouldn't drag out this fight to end in her favor. Makes no sense at this point. He also keeps drawing them getting up lol
Nothing really changes that here. I do hope they get good screentime the 2-3 chapters at least. The more, the better, but she is going down here. Oda wouldn't drag out this fight to end in her favor. Makes no sense at this point. He also keeps drawing them getting up lol