Character Discussion "Kaido, the strongest pirate" - how valid are characters statements?

[Elder Lee Hung]

in this case Kaido has more than 1 instance that supports the statement. further underlined by his bounty.

Kaido also has more than one instance that calls his “title” into question. Title in quotation marks because Kaido doesn’t have a real title lol. Failing to defeat big mom 1v1 (in and of itself direct confirmation that he is not the strongest), high diffing the scabbards, not bypassing Shanks to get to Marineford, etc.

Sengoku and Kong are a far more reliable sources than Killer who recall recently, thought he, Kid, Apoo, and Hawkins could defeat Shanks lol.

If you trust Killer calling Kaido the strongest, do you trust Killer’s company for thinking they could take Shanks down?

 

[Erkan12]

As I said, either people don't read half of the manga when it comes to mihawk fanboyism, or they are simply trolling.

Killer's intelligence is above average when it comes general knowledge about the marines and the pirates. There is no reason to doubt Killer, because he knows better than you. Killer > your mihawk fanboyism.

Marco also knows better, which is why he sent Vista alone to solo Mihawk, and he did it with ease.

And every single title, is what people say. There is no such a thing as ''E.Oda informing us from outside of the manga'', mihawk's shitty sword title showed up only after Zeff told us he is the most famous swordsman, but it doesn't mean he will win every fight in a sword fight, because there is no such a stupid thing as that, Vista is the proof of it, Wano Samurai are the proof of it, because mihawk never beat Wano Samurai as well. Zoro novel is proof of it.

Zoro Novel: ''One marine claims that the strongest swordsman in the world is definitely Mihawk, the other marine claims it's Zoro. They witnessed their sword techniques in marineford and dressrosa. Mihawk cut down gigantic ice block. Zoro cut down gigantic Pica. They start talking about other candidates: Vista, Shanks and Ryuuma. A marine says Vista was able to fight Mihawk equally for a short moment. Ryuma is strong, but he is already dead. According to another marine, Shanks is said to be the rival of Mihawk. He faced Akainu without fear. 2 of the marines have heard that Shanks is a very strong swordsman. But another marine says it's not that Shanks showed his great technique with his sword in Marineford.''
--- Translation by Sandman

 

[nik87]

Vista is the proof of it, Wano Samurai are the proof of it, because mihawk never beat Wano Samurai as well. Zoro novel is proof of it.

Mihawk has never beaten Cabaji either.

 

[Reborn]

Killer statement is credible. There shouldn't be any doubt unless you guys take information and interpret it as per your own vested agenda.



When Luffy says something good about sanji like he is as strong as 1000 men or a very kind person then you people immediately buy it.


When someone refers zoro as vice captain then you guys buy it.


But when killer says kaido is strongest pirate especially when we already have an aura of him being Strongest creature then his statement isn't credible? Lmao




Killer statement is totally credible and kaido as of now stands as Strongest Pirate. You can all deny this reality but it won't change this fact.


However, Blackbeard will soon become the strongest pirate ✌️

 

[Worst]

Kaido is the strongest just the fact that someone needs advanced Ryuo + insane high AP just to get through his skin it's absurd, imagine if he would also use haki to block the attacks also wonder if he's actually using haki when attacking or its just his brute force

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

Mihawk says whitebeard is above him in marineford
Killer says kaido is the strongest pirate.
fã mihawk: tHaT iS nOt hOw iT wOrKs "😂😂😂😂😂


Here Oda directly call him Strongest thing in all existence

Or Ace LN which is confirmed canon tell that Kaido surpassed Whitebeard and is the strongest modern pirate.

Kaido is the strongest of all time, unfortunately for the fear of haters.

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Kaido is the strongest just the fact that someone needs advanced Ryuo + insane high AP just to get through his skin it's absurd, imagine if he would also use haki to block the attacks also wonder if he's actually using haki when attacking or its just his brute force

Imagine that your yamato son is showing Ryou advanced to the point of being "compared" to the confrontation of Roger and WB ... Of course WB and Roger are superior (haki) but Yamato's is not far behind, now imagine what your father can do rs.

 

[Bil02]

The funny thing about this matter is even if we were shown Mihawk and BB calling Kaido strongest pirate,we still have people saying

1) BB is just acting cowardly as usual

2)Mihawk doesn't know shit about Kaido or is mind controlled/acting modest.

I never disputed Mihawk's title but using some of you guys' logic,then Mihawk's title is also based on reputation and there is no way to confirm at this moment,if there is no unknown guy out there being a better swordsman then Mihawk is.

But we know Mihawk is rightfully the number 1 swordsman,as there is no reason to doubt that from the narrative.

Why all the mental gymnastics when it comes to Kaido then ?

Is an infobox more trustful ? Didn't those infoboxes lie about Gorosei and Sabaody fake strawhats ?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Character statements are only valid in this fandom when it pertains to the character they are wanking.

 

[The Legend]

I will only say...

If Killer a shitty pirate says that Kaido is the strongest pirate, the yankers automatically jump saying here is an irrefutable FACT.

If Sengoku a legendary marine says that Whitebeard was the strongest automatically the yankers jump saying here is a completely false FACT.

So character statements are only accepted when it suits the yankers and they generally use them to undervalue admirals

 

[trav]

@The buddha read @Reborn reply

WB was the strongest. with a huge emphasis on WAS.

Spoiler

hes dead

 

[swarna]

Character statements are only valid in this fandom when it pertains to the character they are wanking.

Yeah all of this boils down to "my head canon > your head canon." It's best not to attach ego to it or be too serious.

 

[Blackbeard]

Killer statement is credible. There shouldn't be any doubt unless you guys take information and interpret it as per your own vested agenda.



When Luffy says something good about sanji like he is as strong as 1000 men or a very kind person then you people immediately buy it.


When someone refers zoro as vice captain then you guys buy it.


But when killer says kaido is strongest pirate especially when we already have an aura of him being Strongest creature then his statement isn't credible? Lmao




Killer statement is totally credible and kaido as of now stands as Strongest Pirate. You can all deny this reality but it won't change this fact.


However, Blackbeard will soon become the strongest pirate ✌️

He is not omniscience. Luffy trusts and knows how strong Sanji is. Anyone who said Zoro was a Vice Captain at least observed him, Bartolomeo was so obsessed with Strawhats that he knew everything about them since Alabasta.

World strongest pirate? What does Killer know about the world other than fucking yearly traditions like Marineford's bell?

The "World" Government initially declined Teach's request because he did not have any reputation, they were shocked that a nobody emerged out of nowhere to hand over a Yonko's 2nd Division commander and was made a Warlord with a frozen bounty of 0 (below his own crewmates).

Shanks, a more credible source said that he never gained renown and remained concealed up to the point that he only drew attention when he sought a huge reward because he was deceptive and cautious from the beginning. That's his personality.

Killer can wipe his ass with the claim that not even Meme cares about.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Mihawk is not a pirate is probably the worst excuse that I have ever read LMAO:cantseeme:

 

[Finalbeta]

Mihawk is not a pirate is probably the worst excuse that I have ever read LMAO:cantseeme:

Nope I feel like someone completely ignores the vivre cards on top of that.

I mean even the greatest denier should know that using the Mihawk is not a pirate argument would bring him nowhere lol.

Trying to mystify the manga is another kettle of fish, you can't mystify something that obvious however.

 

[Bil02]

Mihawk is not a pirate is probably the worst excuse that I have ever read LMAO:cantseeme:

Yeah even as a Zoro fan,I'm legit ashamed when I read that.

Not even talking of those who say island of the strongest refer to "Dragons" WTF. ...

The funny thing is if itwas Mihawk who was hyped this way, most of them will be saying the contrary right and say how Killer is actually very reliable.

Like others said,it seems character statements only hold weight when it goes along your headcanon otherwise,we disregard it left and right.

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

He is not omniscience. Luffy trusts and knows how strong Sanji is. Anyone who said Zoro was a Vice Captain at least observed him, Bartolomeo was so obsessed with Strawhats that he knew everything about them since Alabasta.

World strongest pirate? What does Killer know about the world other than fucking yearly traditions like Marineford's bell?

The "World" Government initially declined Teach's request because he did not have any reputation, they were shocked that a nobody emerged out of nowhere to hand over a Yonko's 2nd Division commander and was made a Warlord with a frozen bounty of 0 (below his own crewmates).

Shanks, a more credible source said that he never gained renown and remained concealed up to the point that he only drew attention when he sought a huge reward because he was deceptive and cautious from the beginning. That's his personality.

Killer can wipe his ass with the claim that not even Meme cares about.

Are you for real killer and kid just face kaido already and the red hair piratesthat took place 2 years ago so it is safe to assume he knows what he's talking about. It be one thing if he was just going by what rumors he heard from people but he legit actually face these opponents.

 

[sanjikun]

There is no character in OP who is the best at every stat. Kaido is not faster than Kizaru. "Strongest" just means best average of stats. Kaido is "strongest" because of his skin. That was 99% of his hype.

As long as there is a character out there who can cut through Kaido's skin, Kaido can be defeated in 1 v. 1 combat, regardless of who is "strongest".

 

[spawn]

It's not about whether character statements are "valid" or not.
They are valid in the sense that they offer us information on how certain characters perceive other characters.

Clearly Killer views Kaido as the strongest pirate. Why is that?
Could it be his bounty being the largest out of all pirates?
Could it be because he's seen other strong pirates and firmly believes Kaido is the strongest one out of all of them?
We don't know.

What we do know is simply that Killer thinks of Kaido as the world's strongest pirate.
Is this perception of Kaido reality? We don't know, Oda himself has to say it.

The only thing here that differs is how Oda himself adds things like "People say" in front of Kaido's "title" which he doesn't seem to do with characters like Mihawk or Whitebeard.
There is a clear difference in how he wants us to view the titles.

For example in Marineford. Sengoku calls Whitebeard the "strongest man in the world" while the volume introductions just say "Whitebeard is the strongest pirate".
Does this imply that there are characters who aren't pirates who are stronger than Whitebeard at Marineford?
In the mind of One Piece characters, No.
But in reality? Maybe.

Just food for thought.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

killer statement is just as reliable as pell's statement on the 5 flying devil fruits

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

killer statement is just as reliable as pell's statement on the 5 flying devil fruits

I'll take a statement from a guy who actually face kaido and other emperors than someone who just heard some rumor about it like caribou for example.