If you don't longer want to discuss shut up.
I'm just saying Luffy's moves got different names after he learned basica armament, so we can assume Roc moves are also different because he learned ACoA
I'm just saying Luffy's moves got different names after he learned basica armament, so we can assume Roc moves are also different because he learned ACoA
You can also just literally compare the size of Luffy's fists relative to his body.
In Roc, the fists are only about size of Luffy himself:
Elephant Gun, it's several times larger than him: