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[Sir Yasheen]

Bb will have coc
Chinjao wasn't at 100
Akainu will have coc
Since luffy has been using coc he not lost to a non coc user despite losing multiple times
Beckman will have coc

Luffy started using CoC in Fishman Island. Then Lost to Caesar in Punk Hazard.

And literally no one you mentioned has had hints of having CoC. That’s just your headcanon you’re using to defend another headcanon.

 

[HA001]

Luffy started using CoC in Fishman Island. Then Lost to Caesar in Punk Hazard.

And literally no one you mentioned has had hints of having CoC. That’s just your headcanon you’re using to defend another headcanon.

Bb is a yonko who will have coc
Akainu fleet admiral who will have coc
Ben needs advanced coc to keep pace in the story as he doesn't have a fruit.

We not talking about tricks we talking a main fight which you think sanji vs gorosei is

 

[Reborn]

They still lost the fight and Blackbeard never defeated Magellan; the entire crew jumped him.

And all this is dependent on the theory that Blackbeard has been holding back his CoC all these years and for some reason never used it.

Doesn't matter how BB defeated him.

Thing is you are bringing up elements of surprises where both BB and Luffy got caught and that's all.

This isn't akin to having match up.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Bb is a yonko who will have coc
Akainu fleet admiral who will have coc
Ben needs advanced coc to keep pace in the story as he doesn't have a fruit.

We not talking about tricks we talking a main fight which you think sanji vs gorosei is

Blackbeard is also the only man with multiple fruits and a unique race. Being a yonko doesn’t guarantee CoC.
Akainu was near equal to Kuzan who has no CoC. Dude has no reason of having it

So was Luffy vs Caesar not a fight?

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Boa and Ace lost to Blackbeard
Ace lost to Sakazuki
Chinjao lost to Lao G
Luffy lost to multiple non CoC users
Kid lost to Beckman

This whole CoC argument feels hella random to me tbh. Albeit controversial didn’t Kidd & Law just beat Linlin a Conqueror last arc? Does Law have CoC? Hell even tho Kidd is a ‘CoC’ user his CoC had zero impact on the fight. Moreover, who is to say Sanji will not acquire CoC in the future? Compared to the argument of Sanji being the No.3 of the crew & fighting his opposing number in the antagonist group, it feels like a pretty weak argument to try to justify Sanji not fighting a Gorosei. If Oda really wants to have CoC fights with the Gorosei, he will give Sanji CoC it is that simple.

 

[HA001]

Blackbeard is also the only man with multiple fruits and a unique race. Being a yonko doesn’t guarantee CoC.
Akainu was near equal to Kuzan who has no CoC. Dude has no reason of having it

So was Luffy vs Caesar not a fight?

Being luffys mirror does.
Akainu is fleet admiral like sengoku he will do
Wasn't the main fight then

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Being luffys mirror does.
Akainu is fleet admiral like sengoku he will do
Wasn't the main fight then

Luffy doesn’t have multiple devil fruits? As BBs mirror shouldn’t he?

CoC losers can lose to non CoC users. Otherwise you’re telling me you think Kata would beat king in a fucking fight

 

[HA001]

Luffy doesn’t have multiple devil fruits? As BBs mirror shouldn’t he?

CoC losers can lose to non CoC users. Otherwise you’re telling me you think Kata would beat king in a fucking fight

Who knows with g5 he may be able to.

No one is saying kizaru loses to pre skip luffy

Oda won't show that fight.

Oda won't show a non coc user beat a coc user on a main fight

 

[Hamlette]

This whole CoC argument feels hella random to me tbh. Albeit controversial didn’t Kidd & Law just beat Linlin a Conqueror last arc? Does Law have CoC? Hell even tho Kidd is a ‘CoC’ user his CoC had zero impact on the fight. Moreover, who is to say Sanji will not acquire CoC in the future? Compared to the argument of Sanji being the No.3 of the crew & fighting his opposing number in the antagonist group, it feels like a pretty weak argument to try to justify Sanji not fighting a Gorosei. If Oda really wants to have CoC fights with the Gorosei, he will give Sanji CoC it is that simple.

There was a substantial subset of the fandom that were convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that Sanji would peak at the level of King or Marco, so it's understandably jarring for them to come to terms with the possibility of Sanji fighting a Gorosei. Funnily enough, the reason said people thought that's the level he would peak at is precisely the reason they don't believe Sanji could fight an Admiral or Gorosei; power scaling over narrative, this was their mistake. Oda will justify Sanji fighting and beating anyone regardless of established power scaling because the narrative of the story says so.

This narrative being that Sanji is a pillar character whose purpose is to stand alongside Luffy as his Wing at the top of the mountain and fight off all those that try to get in his captains way. Which is why Zoro and Sanji connected their victory against King and Queen to Luffy becoming the pirate king and not them reaching a new personal power milestone. Who will stand in the way of Luffy getting to Imu and defeating him?.....that is who Sanji will fight, not because of power scaling, but narrative.

 

[HA001]

There was a substantial subset of the fandom that were convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that Sanji would peak at the level of King or Marco, so it's understandably jarring for them to come to terms with the possibility of Sanji fighting a Gorosei. Funnily enough, the reason said people thought that's the level he would peak at is precisely the reason they don't believe Sanji could fight an Admiral or Gorosei; power scaling over narrative, this was their mistake. Oda will justify Sanji fighting and beating anyone regardless of established power scaling because the narrative of the story says so.

This narrative being that Sanji is a pillar character whose purpose is to stand alongside Luffy as his Wing at the top of the mountain and fight off all those that try to get in his captains way. Which is why Zoro and Sanji connected their victory against King and Queen to Luffy becoming the pirate king and not them reaching a new personal power milestone. Who will stand in the way of Luffy getting to Imu and defeating him?.....that is who Sanji will fight, not because of power scaling, but narrative.

Sanjis going into eos with basic haki.

 

[Hamlette]

Sanjis going into eos with basic haki.

This comment is the perfect encapsulation of what I was saying, thank you for making it and supporting my point.

 

[HA001]

This comment is the perfect encapsulation of what I was saying, thank you for making it and supporting my point.

It makes the point extremely well.
Even coby is going into eos with advanced haki
Coby who will beat kuzan soon

 

[Hamlette]

It makes the point extremely well.
Even coby is going into eos with advanced haki
Coby who will beat kuzan soon

And what would stop Oda from giving Sanji advanced haki exactly?. Did Sanji go into any arc strong enough to defeat his main arc opponent?. You continue to place power scaling over narrative when it's obvious that the power scaling in One piece is subservient to the narrative.

 

[HA001]

And what would stop Oda from giving Sanji advanced haki exactly?. Did Sanji go into any arc strong enough to defeat his main arc opponent?. You continue to place power scaling over narrative when it's obvious that the power scaling in One piece is subservient to the narrative.

And the narrative shows sanji isn't good at haki

 

[Hamlette]

And the narrative shows sanji isn't good at haki

The narrative shows Oda willing to give Sanji powerups to beat his opponents. Advanced Haki is a power Katakuri and Sentomaru have, there is nothing these two characters possess that make them more worthy of this power than Sanji.

 

[HA001]

The narrative shows Oda willing to give Sanji powerups to beat his opponents. Advanced Haki is a power Katakuri and Sentomaru have, there is nothing these two characters possess that make them more worthy of this power than Sanji.

Except the gorosei aren't an opponent where finally unlocking ryou or fs will make you beat them
That's how far behind he is.

 

[Hamlette]

Except the gorosei aren't an opponent where finally unlocking ryou or fs will make you beat them
That's how far behind he is.

Well good thing he has other opponents to fight before he gets to the Gorosei which is where Oda will give him whatever power ups he needs to face said Gorosei.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

If Sanji goes into EOS with only basic Haki and defeats top tiers with Adv CoC, Awakenings and shit, that's gonna hurts Sanji haters' agenda more than Sanji unlocking CoC EOS Lol.

 

[HA001]

Well good thing he has other opponents to fight before he gets to the Gorosei which is where Oda will give him whatever power ups he needs to face said Gorosei.

He has like 1 more fight

 

[Hamlette]

He has like 1 more fight

No offense but an ex-Zkker isn't an authority on what Oda intends to do with his story. Hope you don't pull another Houdini when Sanji does in fact defeat a top tier.