Character Discussion What is Yamato's Devil Fruit?
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i think she might be genetically altered by ccesar or queen. oda revealed cesar made the fruits with animal genes and there was a dragon on punk hazard. maybe he could make her partial dragon. or maybe something related to ancient giants.
i only see the favorite food hinting a cat theme.
except for that, i don't know of anything hinting a cat theme. her growling is used for many animals:
i only see the favorite food hinting a cat theme.
except for that, i don't know of anything hinting a cat theme. her growling is used for many animals:
Fair enough.
Why all these convoluted explanations?
She's Kaido's daughter. The simplest answer is that he purchased a Devil Fruit for her. Kaido is someone that we know wants an all Devil Fruit crew.
Why postulate experiments by Caesar or Queen, when Devil Fruits are:
Do you even realise what you need to implicitly assume to tolerate the genetic modification speculations? There's no indication that:
This is like assuming that it was Enel who healed the Scabbards when Hiyori is a known quantity and a plausible option.
I don't understand the reason for assuming that Yamato is anything other than a Devil Fruit user.
Why all these convoluted explanations?
She's Kaido's daughter. The simplest answer is that he purchased a Devil Fruit for her. Kaido is someone that we know wants an all Devil Fruit crew.
Why postulate experiments by Caesar or Queen, when Devil Fruits are:
- A known option
- In character for Kaido
- Require no extra assumptions
Do you even realise what you need to implicitly assume to tolerate the genetic modification speculations? There's no indication that:
- Kaido is interested in normal genetic enhancements
- Kaido would want his ONLY child to get experimented on in such a manner.
This is like assuming that it was Enel who healed the Scabbards when Hiyori is a known quantity and a plausible option.
I don't understand the reason for assuming that Yamato is anything other than a Devil Fruit user.
Waiting for Yamato to not be a devil fruit user at all and her transformation being something related to Kaido's DNA (and maybe related to Kaido's own "one versus one" mystery). There's the possibility she has something of Kaido's race, whether natural or artificial, hence Momonosuke's comment on her durability.
Then why didn't Kaido show this ability in any of his fights to date?
Like if Kaido has an extra transformation aside from his Devil Fruit, then why haven't we seen it?
When will we see it?
Yamato may have racial qualities of Kaido (e.g. her durability), but Kaido himself has never once hinted at possessing non Devil Fruit transformations.
Like if Kaido has an extra transformation aside from his Devil Fruit, then why haven't we seen it?
When will we see it?
Yamato may have racial qualities of Kaido (e.g. her durability), but Kaido himself has never once hinted at possessing non Devil Fruit transformations.
- The most obvious option is simply correct.
- Orochi's DF was obviously the Yamato no Orochi.
- It soon became obvious that Kaido had an Dragon Devil Fruit.
Likewise, Yamato being a DF user is obvious, and the choice of her Devil Fruit as well.
High Ranking Beast Pirate members with Zoan Devil Fruit abilities:
- Kaido
- King
- Queen
- Jack
- Who's Who
- Sasaki
- X-Drake
- Black Maria
- Ulti
- Page One
10/10. Kaido and ALL his executives have Zoan Devil Fruits. But Kaido's only child — a child that he has very high ambitions for — will be denied a Devil Fruit?
And when we finally do get hints of a DF ability:
We're supposed to entertain the notion that it isn't?
Yamato has >= 90% chances of having a Devil Fruit ability IMO.
Because Oda is saving the mystery of the "one versus one".
What I said above.
When plot requires to explain why so much emphasis on the "one versus one" issue (if there's such issue and isn't empty hype).
Don't take this wrong, but you are too obsessed with "indications" and "hints" for a manga where out of the blue Big Mom was stated to be vulnerable if a never-hinted-at portrait of a never-mentioned character was damaged, or out of the blue Kaido happened to have offspring, or out of the blue future sight was a thing you could achieve with observation haki. Just let the story flow because you focus too much on hints and usually make up probabilities based on nothing (because this manga isn't somethng that can be given a real probabilistic nature as we depend on Oda's decisions).
I'm okay with Yamato having a devil fruit, I'm just having some fun theorizing.
What I said above.
When plot requires to explain why so much emphasis on the "one versus one" issue (if there's such issue and isn't empty hype).
Don't take this wrong, but you are too obsessed with "indications" and "hints" for a manga where out of the blue Big Mom was stated to be vulnerable if a never-hinted-at portrait of a never-mentioned character was damaged, or out of the blue Kaido happened to have offspring, or out of the blue future sight was a thing you could achieve with observation haki. Just let the story flow because you focus too much on hints and usually make up probabilities based on nothing (because this manga isn't somethng that can be given a real probabilistic nature as we depend on Oda's decisions).
I'm okay with Yamato having a devil fruit, I'm just having some fun theorizing.
Eh, it seems to tie into his Devil Fruit. Linlin told Kaido that he owes her a life debt for the fruit.
Kaido wasn't invincible before consuming the fruit.
See above.
This is stupid. Like I can't put into words how this objection comes across to me aside from various terms for "stupid".
Probability assumptions aren't objective facts about the world. They are expressions of subjective confidence.
When I say I have e.g. >= 75% credence in Y, it means that I would be willing to bet on Y at 3 : 1 odds.
If I say I have 75% credence in 12 statements and I'm well calibrated, you should expect that 75% (i.e. 9) of those statements are true.
These probability assumptions are my expressions of how confident I am in something.
I make them public to better calibrate myself and to update them on new evidence.
They aren't objective probabilities, because the uncertainty is epistemic; Yamato either has a Devil Fruit or not.
Me saying that I have >= 90% credence in Yamato having a Devil Fruit doesn't mean that the "objective" probability of Yamato having a Devil Fruit is >= 90%, or that in >= 90% of possible worlds Yamato will have a Devil Fruit.
It means that my confidence in Yamato having a Devil Fruit is >= 90%, that is I would bet at 9:1 odds that Yamato has a Devil Fruit.
It's a bad theory.
Kaido wasn't invincible before consuming the fruit.
See above.
This is stupid. Like I can't put into words how this objection comes across to me aside from various terms for "stupid".
Probability assumptions aren't objective facts about the world. They are expressions of subjective confidence.
When I say I have e.g. >= 75% credence in Y, it means that I would be willing to bet on Y at 3 : 1 odds.
If I say I have 75% credence in 12 statements and I'm well calibrated, you should expect that 75% (i.e. 9) of those statements are true.
These probability assumptions are my expressions of how confident I am in something.
I make them public to better calibrate myself and to update them on new evidence.
They aren't objective probabilities, because the uncertainty is epistemic; Yamato either has a Devil Fruit or not.
Me saying that I have >= 90% credence in Yamato having a Devil Fruit doesn't mean that the "objective" probability of Yamato having a Devil Fruit is >= 90%, or that in >= 90% of possible worlds Yamato will have a Devil Fruit.
It means that my confidence in Yamato having a Devil Fruit is >= 90%, that is I would bet at 9:1 odds that Yamato has a Devil Fruit.
It's a bad theory.
While it could be, we don't know for sure, starting by the fact that Kaido's race and its properties (which seem to have been inherited, at least partially, by Yamato) are still to be explained.
It isn't stupid at all. Establishing probabilities is about studying the variables affecting an outcome and then making a reasonable prediction on such outcome happening, but in One Piece we have quite a good number of examples of twists and absolutely unexpected factors that make next to impossible to assign probabilities in the way you usually do even if subjectively (obviously).
They are expressions based, if done right, on supported confidence built after analyzing a set of variables and making predictions. If the object you are trying to make such predictions about ultimately depends on an author's whims, then you are in no ground to call another user stupid because he noted how you are wasting your time on enumerating all kind of detailed probabilities that are completely useless and baseless.
Your confidence, therefore, is irrelevant because you have nothing to build it on; as you well said, it's subjective to a degree that doesn't support unnecessarily giving such specific numbers and percentages to your predictions. In other words: I couldn't care less about how you come up with how no "indications" or "hints" have been given when confronting another person's ideas, as if this story wasn't full of never indicated nor hinted twists. And the reason why I addressed you was this, how Kaido hasn't been hinted at possessing non devil fruit transformations as if non-hints for something that ended happening were something unusual.
...so?
It isn't stupid at all. Establishing probabilities is about studying the variables affecting an outcome and then making a reasonable prediction on such outcome happening, but in One Piece we have quite a good number of examples of twists and absolutely unexpected factors that make next to impossible to assign probabilities in the way you usually do even if subjectively (obviously).
They are expressions based, if done right, on supported confidence built after analyzing a set of variables and making predictions. If the object you are trying to make such predictions about ultimately depends on an author's whims, then you are in no ground to call another user stupid because he noted how you are wasting your time on enumerating all kind of detailed probabilities that are completely useless and baseless.
Your confidence, therefore, is irrelevant because you have nothing to build it on; as you well said, it's subjective to a degree that doesn't support unnecessarily giving such specific numbers and percentages to your predictions. In other words: I couldn't care less about how you come up with how no "indications" or "hints" have been given when confronting another person's ideas, as if this story wasn't full of never indicated nor hinted twists. And the reason why I addressed you was this, how Kaido hasn't been hinted at possessing non devil fruit transformations as if non-hints for something that ended happening were something unusual.
...so?
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Yeah, but by all indications his invincibility stems from his Devil Fruit.
I don't think you're being serious or that it's worth the effort, but everyone from Yamato, to Linlin to CP 0 to the Scabbards to Luffy to the other Supernova to Momonosuke to Kaido himself have hyped up Kaido's Devil Fruit.
It's really not worth the effort, but there's a fuckton of panels where Kaido's Devil Fruit is hyped as the source of his might.
His race isn't the main reason he's invincible in a 1 vs 1.
That's a bad speculation. It requires contradicting over a dozen very credible characters including CP 0, Linlin, Yamato and Kaido himself.
This is stupid. If you honestly believe this, you're not just mistaken about One Piece, you're fundamentally mistaken about how the world itself works.
My gosh, this is incredibly stupid.
I'm not here to teach you epistemology, let's just drop this.
I don't want to insult you anymore than I already have.
You don't actually understand what I was calling stupid. I don't think you're stupid, you're just very mistaken on epistemology, and I'm not here to teach it to you.
Let's just drop this. Pretend my stated credences are a quirk of mine or whatever.
It's fine not to care about my numbers. They're not for you.
Your core claim that we can't usefully assign credences to One Piece events is extremely stupid.
Like I'm not insulting you, but I can't convey adequately just how nonsensical an idea this is.
The claim isn't meaningfully wrong, it's nonsense.
It's a waste of time. This theory isn't true. It is very unlikely to be true. And it's essentially fanfic. I'm not interested in debating fanfic.
Again, you're doing the equivalent of speculating that it was Enel that healed the Scabbards.
I don't think you're being serious or that it's worth the effort, but everyone from Yamato, to Linlin to CP 0 to the Scabbards to Luffy to the other Supernova to Momonosuke to Kaido himself have hyped up Kaido's Devil Fruit.
It's really not worth the effort, but there's a fuckton of panels where Kaido's Devil Fruit is hyped as the source of his might.
His race isn't the main reason he's invincible in a 1 vs 1.
That's a bad speculation. It requires contradicting over a dozen very credible characters including CP 0, Linlin, Yamato and Kaido himself.
This is stupid. If you honestly believe this, you're not just mistaken about One Piece, you're fundamentally mistaken about how the world itself works.
My gosh, this is incredibly stupid.
I'm not here to teach you epistemology, let's just drop this.
I don't want to insult you anymore than I already have.
You don't actually understand what I was calling stupid. I don't think you're stupid, you're just very mistaken on epistemology, and I'm not here to teach it to you.
Let's just drop this. Pretend my stated credences are a quirk of mine or whatever.
It's fine not to care about my numbers. They're not for you.
Your core claim that we can't usefully assign credences to One Piece events is extremely stupid.
Like I'm not insulting you, but I can't convey adequately just how nonsensical an idea this is.
The claim isn't meaningfully wrong, it's nonsense.
It's a waste of time. This theory isn't true. It is very unlikely to be true. And it's essentially fanfic. I'm not interested in debating fanfic.
Again, you're doing the equivalent of speculating that it was Enel that healed the Scabbards.
- The most obvious option is simply correct.
- Orochi's DF was obviously the Yamato no Orochi.
- It soon became obvious that Kaido had an Dragon Devil Fruit.
Likewise, Yamato being a DF user is obvious, and the choice of her Devil Fruit as well.
High Ranking Beast Pirate members with Zoan Devil Fruit abilities:
- Kaido
- King
- Queen
- Jack
- Who's Who
- Sasaki
- X-Drake
- Black Maria
- Ulti
- Page One
10/10. Kaido and ALL his executives have Zoan Devil Fruits. But Kaido's only child — a child that he has very high ambitions for — will be denied a Devil Fruit?
And when we finally do get hints of a DF ability:
We're supposed to entertain the notion that it isn't?
Yamato has >= 90% chances of having a Devil Fruit ability IMO.
100% hoping it's that etc...
- The most obvious option is simply correct.
- Orochi's DF was obviously the Yamato no Orochi.
- It soon became obvious that Kaido had an Dragon Devil Fruit.
Likewise, Yamato being a DF user is obvious, and the choice of her Devil Fruit as well.
High Ranking Beast Pirate members with Zoan Devil Fruit abilities:
- Kaido
- King
- Queen
- Jack
- Who's Who
- Sasaki
- X-Drake
- Black Maria
- Ulti
- Page One
10/10. Kaido and ALL his executives have Zoan Devil Fruits. But Kaido's only child — a child that he has very high ambitions for — will be denied a Devil Fruit?
And when we finally do get hints of a DF ability:
We're supposed to entertain the notion that it isn't?
Yamato has >= 90% chances of having a Devil Fruit ability IMO.
