Future Events Who Will Defeat King?

[Paperchampion23]

marco can't defeat king for 1 hour but he will fight against kaido

I mean, he was holding off 2 YCs. Fighting against Kaido does not mean winning against Kaido. This the same fanbase that believes Zoro is fighting and/or killing Kaido again after losing to him already.

That is also like saying Mihawk is "pathetic" cause he couldn't take out Vista
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arlong he was injured
lucci he was defeated for kaku and then lucci fly him
oars the mugis were defeat him

And? Why are you making up excuses. Zoro's proclamation has to do with swordsmen anyway, that's the point.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

I mean, he was holding off 2 YCs. Fighting against Kaido does not mean winning against Kaido. This the same fanbase that believes Zoro is fighting and/or killing Kaido again after losing to him already.

That is also like saying Mihawk is "pathetic" cause he couldn't take out Vista
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And? Why are you making up excuses. Zoro's proclamation has to do with swordsmen anyway, that's the point.

zoro ploclamation to never lose (not only swordsmen) and that mean: 1 vs 1 zoro doesn't injured he can't lose and the only in the list is with enel who should kill luffy too (but he is the mc)

 

[Paperchampion23]

zoro ploclamation to never lose (not only swordsmen) and that mean: 1 vs 1 zoro doesn't injured he can't lose and the only in the list is with enel who should kill luffy too (but he is the mc)

I literally so not understanding what you are trying to say here.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

I mean, he was holding off 2 YCs. Fighting against Kaido does not mean winning against Kaido. This the same fanbase that believes Zoro is fighting and/or killing Kaido again after losing to him already.

That is also like saying Mihawk is "pathetic" cause he couldn't take out Vista

marco is fighting with king alone for 30 min (at least) and he can't defeat him and the case of mihawk vs vista, mihawk wasn't see him (are you sure you aren't sanjifanboy)
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I literally so not understanding what you are trying to say here.

zoro said than he will never lose again in 1 vs 1 (not injured)

 

[Paperchampion23]

marco is fighting with king alone for 30 min (at least) and he can't defeat him and the case of mihawk vs vista, mihawk wasn't see him (are you sure you aren't sanjifanboy)

Again, nothing you are saying disqualifies Marco from holding off Kaido lol. Nobody is saying he will win. Yamato isn't saying she will win. It's about buying time for Luffy. That's the whole point

Marco hasn't lost to anyone. He held off to YCs. He's clearly there to hold of King for Zoro. He's mentioned already in Chapter 999 that he intends to fight Kaido.


And I'm a nobody fanboy. I rag on every fanbase, especially Zoro and Sanji fools. I told many Sanji fans Vs Queen was happening for nearly a year, and barely any of them believed it until now. Some of them still don't believe it. The same thing is happening with you Zoro fanboys. You can't accept that Zoro will be on the performance floor.

 

[Finalbeta]

Honor for Zoro has to do with not losing to Swordsmen, not opponents designed for Luffy.

Zoro has lost to Arlong, Enel, Lucci, Oars, Kuma, etc. It still fits within the confines of his warriors code because none of they are truly swordsmen where he fought them in a duel. Kaido is just another one of those characters, but you are talking to someone who doubts ZKK is at all happening, let along another fight with Kaido

Honor is a vital component for a swordsman, failing to see that equates to being blind.

If you seriously believe that Zoro would not see that then you are objectively misled.

I'm one of the biggest ZKK supporters but I have to admit that this is not easy. Zoro might indeed wait for Luffy to either fail or succeed before jumping in and despite those premises I highlighted.

It's not really just about trust. If that was the case, Zoro could still jump in in order to make sure Luffy to be damaged less.

 

[matt245]

Honor is a vital component for a swordsman, failing to see that equates to being blind.

If you seriously believe that Zoro would not see that then you are objectively misled.

I'm one of the biggest ZKK supporters but I have to admit that this is not easy. Zoro might indeed wait for Luffy to either fail or succeed before jumping in and despite those premises I highlighted.

It's not really just about trust. If that was the case, Zoro could still jump in in order to make sure Luffy to be damaged less.

He would probably jump in to save someone.

 

[Finalbeta]

He would probably jump in to save someone.

Ye so I hope he will have to save Yamato, that could eventually turn the tables.

 

[spawn]

King and Queen does not seem to defeat 2 chap.

Kaku and Jabra were defeated in 2 chapters.
Not sure why King and Queen should be any longer.
They're not as relevant as Katakuri, they won't take as long as him (chapter wise) to be defeated.

Also , somebody should kill Orochi.

Yes, whoever wilds Ame-no-Habakiri will kill Orochi.

When we check wano panel , orochi will definetely be killed by Zoro

Nope.
I dunno how you arrived at that conclusion, but let me try and make it simple for you.
Oden had 2 swords, Enma (which I will talk about afterwards) and Ame-no-Habakiri.
Ame-no-Habakiri isn't a random name.
It's the name of a sword in mythology; the name of the sword which killed Yamata-no-Orochi.
You can find all this on Google, it's not hidden information.
Logically, since Oda has decided to incorporate both Yamata-no-Orochi and Ame-no-Habakiri in the story, the person who wields that sword will be the one to kill Orochi.
That person isn't Zoro.

When zoro got Enma , we have already known he will cut Kaido.

Not sure why when it comes to Orochi, you say 'kill', but when it comes to Kaido, you say 'cut'.
It's a funny kind of inconsistency.
People are completely fine with Orochi being killed by the sword that relates to him.
But Kaido getting killed by the sword that relates to him doesn't even cross your mind?

Anyways, just like Habakiri, Enma isn't a random name.
Enma is the name of the God of Death.
In One Piece, Oda chose to make the sword Enma, the sword that cuts through the depths of hell.
Who *is* Enma in the story? It's Kaido.
Hence why there are comparisons between him and hell.

All in all,
the sword that will kill Orochi is Ame-no-Habakiri,
and the sword that will kill Kaido is Enma.

Oden's 2 swords will be the ones used to kill the 2 villains who have destroyed Wano.

 

[Shiroyru]

What the fuck is wrong with Zoro fanboys. Imagine gettting upset at the idea of your fav beating a YC1

 

[mrtsrdr]

Kaku and Jabra were defeated in 2 chapters.
Not sure why King and Queen should be any longer.
They're not as relevant as Katakuri, they won't take as long as him (chapter wise) to be defeated.

Yes, whoever wilds Ame-no-Habakiri will kill Orochi.

Nope.
I dunno how you arrived at that conclusion, but let me try and make it simple for you.
Oden had 2 swords, Enma (which I will talk about afterwards) and Ame-no-Habakiri.
Ame-no-Habakiri isn't a random name.
It's the name of a sword in mythology; the name of the sword which killed Yamata-no-Orochi.
You can find all this on Google, it's not hidden information.
Logically, since Oda has decided to incorporate both Yamata-no-Orochi and Ame-no-Habakiri in the story, the person who wields that sword will be the one to kill Orochi.
That person isn't Zoro.

Not sure why when it comes to Orochi, you say 'kill', but when it comes to Kaido, you say 'cut'.
It's a funny kind of inconsistency.
People are completely fine with Orochi being killed by the sword that relates to him.
But Kaido getting killed by the sword that relates to him doesn't even cross your mind?

Anyways, just like Habakiri, Enma isn't a random name.
Enma is the name of the God of Death.
In One Piece, Oda chose to make the sword Enma, the sword that cuts through the depths of hell.
Who *is* Enma in the story? It's Kaido.
Hence why there are comparisons between him and hell.

All in all,
the sword that will kill Orochi is Ame-no-Habakiri,
and the sword that will kill Kaido is Enma.

Oden's 2 swords will be the ones used to kill the 2 villains who have destroyed Wano.

you based on sword name . I based on panel line. that is it .
Also , i liken kaido vs alliance to doffy vs aliance.

Doffy started fight both (law and luffy)
Doffy send Luffy to Bellamy
Luffy come back and save law .
Luffy beat Doffy.

Luffy started fight alliance.
Kaido sent Luffy somewhere.
Luffy come back and save yamato
Luffy beat kaido.

every special sword deserve special name. im not getting it . Im looking what zoro said about orochi . what zoro said about kaido.
you claim other sword kill orochi how ?? it belong the momo . will momo kill orochi . or like enma , sword will take care of itself.

 

[Ricassian]

Marco, I hope
Zoro should go help Luffy and Yamato against Kaido

 

[spawn]

you based on sword name . I based on panel line. that is it .
Also , i liken kaido vs alliance to doffy vs aliance.

Doffy started fight both (law and luffy)
Doffy send Luffy to Bellamy
Luffy come back and save law .
Luffy beat Doffy.

Luffy started fight alliance.
Kaido sent Luffy somewhere.
Luffy come back and save yamato
Luffy beat kaido.

every special sword deserve special name. im not getting it . Im looking what zoro said about orochi . what zoro said about kaido.
you claim other sword kill orochi how ?? it belong the momo . will momo kill orochi . or like enma , sword will take care of itself.

You can make comparisons between Wano and many other arcs.
For example: Enies Lobby and Thriller Bark.

There is no line of Zoro saying he will kill Orochi or anything.
I'm going to take a guess and say that you're most likely thinking of what was said in chapter 950.

Spoiler

Where Zoro says he can't forgive Orochi and that he will avenge Yasu's death.
You probably jumped to the assumption that he will avenge Yasu's death *by killing Orochi*.
One of the candidates who can kill Orochi is on that page, and it's not Zoro...
Hiyori literally says that she "wishes [she] could kill him [herself]."
But somehow it's Zoro that wants to kill him, lol.

What you're missing are moments like when Shinobu explains that defeating Orochi means nothing and the scabbards telling Orochi that they have no time to waste on the likes of him.
That's why Zoro planned on going after Kaido the entire time on Onigashima.

Spoiler

Fighting Orochi was never even a thought.
Think about it, if the scabbards don't even consider Orochi as someone they can spend time on.
Why would Zoro consider Orochi in that way?

A line of Zoro declaring he'll kill Kaido? Easy.

Spoiler

Slice into pieces ≠ give a cut
Slice into pieces = kill, slay, or defeat

Habakiri belongs to Momo, correct.
Can Momo kill Orochi? Definitiely.
He's candidate number two for who will slay Orochi.
Momo has been training since we arrived in Wano.
When he was asked if he was ready to wield Habakiri, he answered no.
However, now that we're in the war, he might muster the courage to finally accept his sword.
Power is not an issue.
Orochi is portrayed as a joke and as trash.
His power comes from those who protect him.

 

[mrtsrdr]

You can make comparisons between Wano and many other arcs.
For example: Enies Lobby and Thriller Bark.

There is no line of Zoro saying he will kill Orochi or anything.
I'm going to take a guess and say that you're most likely thinking of what was said in chapter 950.

Spoiler

Where Zoro says he can't forgive Orochi and that he will avenge Yasu's death.
You probably jumped to the assumption that he will avenge Yasu's death *by killing Orochi*.
One of the candidates who can kill Orochi is on that page, and it's not Zoro...
Hiyori literally says that she "wishes [she] could kill him [herself]."
But somehow it's Zoro that wants to kill him, lol.

What you're missing are moments like when Shinobu explains that defeating Orochi means nothing and the scabbards telling Orochi that they have no time to waste on the likes of him.
That's why Zoro planned on going after Kaido the entire time on Onigashima.

Spoiler

Fighting Orochi was never even a thought.
Think about it, if the scabbards don't even consider Orochi as someone they can spend time on.
Why would Zoro consider Orochi in that way?

A line of Zoro declaring he'll kill Kaido? Easy.

Spoiler

Slice into pieces ≠ give a cut
Slice into pieces = kill, slay, or defeat

Habakiri belongs to Momo, correct.
Can Momo kill Orochi? Definitiely.
He's candidate number two for who will slay Orochi.
Momo has been training since we arrived in Wano.
When he was asked if he was ready to wield Habakiri, he answered no.
However, now that we're in the war, he might muster the courage to finally accept his sword.
Power is not an issue.
Orochi is portrayed as a joke and as trash.
His power comes from those who protect him.

you must mix something. That was a plan to go roof for all SHs. not only zoro. If sanji didnot go different place , he would be roof. Or jimbei case or the others. Zoro was lucky. because marco come in time . you are talking like just zoros target. Not All SHs tried to reach in there.

avange = ı will take care of myself with orochi . avange feeling is personal.

when sanji and zoro reunited , zoro said get out of my way eyebrow , ı will cut orochi said.

dont make me laugh . momo ? dude , you must be kidding. when zoro took the enma , he lived hard time to control enma which zoro is one of the best swordsman.

ı m not count momos physical situation. momos ass is not enoguh to grap sword.

 

[kumae]

you must mix something. That was a plan to go roof for all SHs. not only zoro. If sanji didnot go different place , he would be roof. Or jimbei case or the others. Zoro was lucky. because marco come in time . you are talking like just zoros target. Not All SHs tried to reach in there.

avange = ı will take care of myself with orochi . avange feeling is personal.

when sanji and zoro reunited , zoro said get out of my way eyebrow , ı will cut orochi said.

dont make me laugh . momo ? dude , you must be kidding. when zoro took the enma , he lived hard time to control enma which zoro is one of the best swordsman.

ı m not count momos physical situation. momos ass is not enoguh to grap sword.

Dude you don't read or you don't understand Zoro's character.Is true that he wanted to fight orochi but when hiyori told him that he changed his mind and he received Enma to fight kaido not Orochi.Susano used ame no habakiri to cut Orochi who is his current owner?.Momo has to do something.Hiyori express her desire of killing him.And do you really think that a heal zoro is going to fight one-head Orochi

 

[style]

My issue for Zoro vs King:

-no particular connection between these two so far. For example Queen and Sanji have Judge as a point of connection, while Zoro vs King fight lacks any noticeable connection. A good one was Zoro learning how to cut fore against King, but he already know how to do it as we see on the Rooftop.

-open plot for Zoro at Wano are: blackening Enma and being aware of using adv CoC

Starting from blackening Enma, this is definitely something that Zoro will not achieve against King, this is a Ryuma related stuff and thus it will happen only with Ryuma related plot (Dragon beheading et similia)

As regards being aware of adv CoC this is also something that I think he can't achieve against King since the latter lacks the conqueror haki.
For Zoro to learn adv CoC against an opponent that doesn't even have adv CoC would be just lame.
Of course if King has CoC that would change everything, that would be hype and he would become a worthy opponent for the grandmaster. But so far he's quite trashy.

So what is the utility of Zoro vs King for Zoro?
-learning to cut fire? No, Zoro already knows
-blacken Enma? No way
-learning adv CoC? Maybe, this is the only reason why I don't see the chances of Zoro vs King happening lowering at 0%.
But it also depends on King, whether he has the Adv CoC or not

 

[mrtsrdr]

Dude you don't read or you don't understand Zoro's character.Is true that he wanted to fight orochi but when hiyori told him that he changed his mind and he received Enma to fight kaido not Orochi.Susano used ame no habakiri to cut Orochi who is his current owner?.Momo has to do something.Hiyori express her desire of killing him.And do you really think that a heal zoro is going to fight one-head Orochi

dude you are making fotuneteller. zoro said ı will avange . avange = personal . which part zoro said ı will give up that one.
I am readig what manga wrote.
you should do like that as well.

 

[kumae]

dude you are making fotuneteller. zoro said ı will avange . avange = personal . which part zoro said ı will give up that one.
I am readig what manga wrote.
you should do like that as well.

People's brain after reading one piece:Zoro tells Sanji to go to the living floor to help,he is there for helping too,Zoro is the fighter of the crew so he is going to fight strong people like king or Kaido and If zoro fights and kill orochi he will shit on Momo or hiyori growth
Your brain after reading two piece: Zoro is Spandam level and he is going to be heal just to fight one head Orochi

 

[Finalbeta]

I won't believe into Zoro v Marco much until I witness Marco to resign the fight or even be outright defeated.

 

[mrtsrdr]

People's brain after reading one piece:Zoro tells Sanji to go to the living floor to help,he is there for helping too,Zoro is the fighter of the crew so he is going to fight strong people like king or Kaido and If zoro fights and kill orochi he will shit on Momo or hiyori growth
Your brain after reading two piece: Zoro is Spandam level and he is going to be heal just to fight one head Orochi

wororororo. good one.
firstly , ı did not say anywehere. zoro just kill orochi.
secondly, we are going to wano arc ending.
matchups clear.
we have already known luffy will beat kaido 1 to 1 with special thing.
ı am not thinking zoro will go roof again. live floor to roof very large distance and there is nobody to bring him roof as well.
My prediction is zoros wont take 1 to 1 anymore after that point. like marco and zoro vs king. dont forget kings one kick is about die sanji . and zoro will take two time pain anymore.