Questions & Mysteries Yonkous are not as strong as people made them out to be?

[Patryipe]

Yonklol are a joke. There's a reason why One Piece is gonna enter the endgame after we get rid of them.

 

[kom5]

or hes like Trebol. a midget in a large lava body
:cheers:


idk what story people are reading.
Admirals failed day 1 they were introduced.
Aokiji vs SH can be written off as jobbing, ok.
Kizaru vs SH not. they guy was unable to finish the SHs in time until an old fart told him off.
all 3 Admirals (and Shichibukai + VC and and and) were unable to stop a single Yonko crew from reaching their goal.
Ace got freed. the WB succeeded in freeing him. Ace subsequently threw his life away, but that fact remains: the WBP freed him.
the Marines hunkered down in their main fortress and still could not manage to stop the WBP from getting to Ace in time.
not to mention that WB was on life support...

Admirals are top tiers on the lower end. they are the YC of the marines.
Yonko (pirates in general) peak higher.

no they are superior to yonkos

All YC are trash and overhyped they are nothing worth expect Marco

-Jack got trashed many times
-Oven was a punchin bag
-Katakuri was easily defeated after a run and hide fight no endurance
-Smoothie is just a decoration or a baby puppy just standing there doing nothing
-Cracker was defeated after a single shot

Big Moms soul got sliced by Brook
Big Mom appoarches Luffy and Luffy says not now Im busy even the MC didnt take her seriously
-Kaidos introduction and the behaviour are differ
He never fought any Admiral or Yonko the last 20 years how can he be the strongest in a one o one if he never left Wano
he wants to die but is fearful when the Scabbads attack he should have laugh

Yonkos are like balloons Oda failed to deliver and now prolonged a boring arc I just hope this arc is over and we get the real enemies the Admirals

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

yonkotards would rather convince themselves kinemon (that is afraid of pica), is high vet/low yc level than accept that reality.

 

[Buusatan94]

It happens to all the main antagonists of each OP arc so it's a given.

 

[Lifeismeh]

No it will be worse lol

anyway the Yonko are not done, not even a serious fight against them happened yet, let's judge their treatment in the end

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

The sad thing is that look at Kaido’s reaction to getting wounded:

His greatest hype is his durability, and yet he confirms here that all you need is Ryou to hurt him. Which at bear minimum, all of the C3 actually have lol. Hell even Sentomaru and Vice Admirals have Ryou (having Haki in and of itself is a requirement to be promoted to Vice Admiral).

So literally you don’t even need to be an admiral to be able to wound Kaido. Up and coming Rear Admirals can probably wound him, imagine what a Ryou Infused Daifunka would do to Kaido. He literally wouldn’t even exist anymore after one serious punch from Akainu.

 

[Kucing Pencuri]

Capable of hurting =/= capable of beating

 

[Finalbeta]

It happens to all the main antagonists of each OP arc so it's a given.

You mean that each passing arc the main boss turns stronger? :P

 

[Buusatan94]

You mean that each passing arc the main boss turns stronger? :P

No that each main antagonist is victim of the plot.

 

[Paperchampion23]

The sad thing is that look at Kaido’s reaction to getting wounded:

His greatest hype is his durability, and yet he confirms here that all you need is Ryou to hurt him. Which at bear minimum, all of the C3 actually have lol. Hell even Sentomaru and Vice Admirals have Ryou (having Haki in and of itself is a requirement to be promoted to Vice Admiral).

So literally you don’t even need to be an admiral to be able to wound Kaido. Up and coming Rear Admirals can probably wound him, imagine what a Ryou Infused Daifunka would do to Kaido. He literally wouldn’t even exist anymore after one serious punch from Akainu.

Guys, Ryou is not "advanced" armament Haki. I've made the same mistake before. Ryou is simply another name for Armamenr overall, like Mantra was for Observation Haki. However, because Wano specializes in Samurai, Haki was taught as a "flow" rather than hardening (this was Hyougoros whole explanation in Udon), more akin to Zoro cutting what he wanted to cut in Alabasta.

So in reality, most of you are talking about the 2nd and 3rd levels of Armament Haki (the Shockwave and the "flow" version), but all 3 levels are "Ryou".

Anyway, the way Kaido describes it, it seems like all 9 scabbards were needed to truly produce this 3rd level of Armament. Kiku pierced Kaidos hand not because Kiku had that Haki on her own, but because all 9 "produced" Oden's haki together, like a single being. Same with everyone else who managed to hurt him.


I thought I'd just point out the difference because I feel like people are misunderstanding what actually happened.


Also, it was extremely clear that WB did not have this "tough skin" power. Random, nameless marine fodder were able to stab him, shoot him and make him bleed in Marineford. To assume Akainu could one shot Kaido, when very clearly Kaido would not be damaged the same way as these nameless fodder marines damaged WB, is kind of weird. In fact, the Red Scabbards damage to Kaido seemed like it did nothing at the end of the chapter.

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

The sad thing is that look at Kaido’s reaction to getting wounded:

His greatest hype is his durability, and yet he confirms here that all you need is Ryou to hurt him. Which at bear minimum, all of the C3 actually have lol. Hell even Sentomaru and Vice Admirals have Ryou (having Haki in and of itself is a requirement to be promoted to Vice Admiral).

So literally you don’t even need to be an admiral to be able to wound Kaido. Up and coming Rear Admirals can probably wound him, imagine what a Ryou Infused Daifunka would do to Kaido. He literally wouldn’t even exist anymore after one serious punch from Akainu.

What kind of war would that be if no one in the world could hurt the guy they want to defeat?
Like, would the guys be in ONIGASHIMA to fight a guy they can't hurt?
Kaido could go to sleep then, the guys who came to war came to massage him.
Or else they would take kaido asleep by the arms and legs and throw it in the water, without any war since they cannot hurt the kaido.

You still don't understand, brother? The oda needs to allow Kaido to be wounded because of the war, even if he has to give advanced haki to Buggy if necessary.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Guys, Ryou is not "advanced" armament Haki. I've made the same mistake before. Ryou is simply another name for Armamenr overall, like Mantra was for Observation Haki. However, because Wano specializes in Samurai, Haki was taught as a "flow" rather than hardening (this was Hyougoros whole explanation in Udon), more akin to Zoro cutting what he wanted to cut in Alabasta.

So in reality, most of you are talking about the 2nd and 3rd levels of Armament Haki (the Shockwave and the "flow" version), but all 3 levels are "Ryou".

Anyway, the way Kaido describes it, it seems like all 9 scabbards were needed to truly produce this 3rd level of Armament. Kiku pierced Kaidos hand not because Kiku had that Haki on her own, but because all 9 "produced" Oden's haki together, like a single being. Same with everyone else who managed to hurt him.


I thought I'd just point out the difference because I feel like people are misunderstanding what actually happened.


Also, it was extremely clear that WB did not have this "tough skin" power. Random, nameless marine fodder were able to stab him, shoot him and make him bleed in Marineford. To assume Akainu could one shot Kaido, when very clearly Kaido would not be damaged the same way as these nameless fodder marines damaged WB, is kind of weird. In fact, the Red Scabbards damage to Kaido seemed like it did nothing at the end of the chapter.

So you don’t even need Flow Haki to hurt Kaido? Tashigi can probably kill him? Lol

 

[Paperchampion23]

So you don’t even need Flow Haki to hurt Kaido? Tashigi can probably kill him? Lol

No, the "flow" haki is the Oden haki. Its just perceived different on swords. The second level is the shockwave, which obviously isn't the Oden Haki that cut kaido. That is very literally a force field. "Cut anything" is the idea right? This is effectively the same as Luffy's "destroying something from within", which is why he is finally able to break the prison chains from himself and Yamato.


Aka, all 9 scabbards formed "flow" haki through their swords. Kaido recognized this as Oden's haki. So no, very clearly Tashigi can't cut him. We haven't even seen her use anything beyond the first level. Its too bad Oda makes it difficult to show this difference though out of dialogue.

 

[Formerly Seth]

They get humiliated because Oda likes to make BM and Kaido a meme. But clowning and strength are two different concepts.

Basically they just take up any damage going their way without bothering to dodge - they're very strong.

In addition Whitebeard and Shanks were never humiliated.

If I only knew Oda would clown his strongest characters in the verse this much I would never think that they stand a chance against Daddy Mihawk or Papazuki.

 

[vikas]

I would say be ready for worse. The way the story is going oda will make luffy yonko level soon. They are no more some antogonist to be vary of or be excited about like how marineford was. I mean luffy said a full scale war against two yonko...what a joke of a war.

 

[York]

I think a lot of people just take powerscaling far too seriously. Their imaginary chart of how many gomu gomus worth of damage Kaido can take and how many gomu gomus Kinemon's sword can dish out don't match up and it makes their brains froth.

 

[drdreambo]

Akainu using Haki to counter, that’s not the same case with Kaido. If multiple AcoA users attack an admiral, without him blocking they’d get pierced. You only need basic haki to bypass logia intangibility.

You do realize that akainu tanked an island splitting attack right? scabbards not killing him if they jump on him.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

You do realize that akainu tanked an island splitting attack right? scabbards not killing him if they jump on him.

I didn’t say he’d die... only that there blades would pierce him. Unless he actively defends, which Kaido doesn’t do.

 

[Vlad D. Impaler]

People don't make them out to be anything...... The author himself hypes them, "The strongest creature" "The strongest man" etc. Also, don't start your argument with words such as, "Shanks lost his arm to lord of the coast" That's a dead giveaway for a troll thread.

 

[Master Of All Arts]

Whoa whoa whoa..........

Nah the Emperors are definitely stronger. An Admiral would be dead if the scabbards ganged up on him. We are are talking about a group with around 4 yc class dudes. Just 1 yc class dude is enough to stalemate and admiral.

Because of Yonko wank for the last decade or so, people don't even remember admiral feats anymore. Have you lost your goddamn mind? If the scabbards did that attack on an admiral, he wouldn't be dead. Not at all. Have we forgotten Akainu tanked not 1, but 2 island splitting attacks from an enraged whitebeard??? He got up from the first one and even took a quarter of Whitebeard's head off and the only reason he was even taken out by the second one is because a hole opened up on the ground and he fell... stop the cap

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I think the problem here is that commanders were to shown to at least be able to match up against the admirals for a little while, and the commanders themselves, even first mates are portrayed as being way below a yonko. If you actually just look at Whitebeard vs Admirals interactions during Marineford then there really isn't any massive gap. Its crazy too cause all three admirals had a clash against him. If I remember correctly, Kuzan clashed against him twice and both did attacks that didn't do any damage. The only one to make Kuzan bleed was Jozu, by hammering him when he wasn't looking. Mind you, Jozu is one of the physically strongest characters we've seen in the whole series. Akainu was also able to match Whitebeard, and the only reason he was wounded cause Whitebeard sneak attacked him, quite alike to how the scabbards attacked Kaido yet even worse cause its from the back. Kizaru also dodged Whitebeard casually and wounded him. So there ya go.