Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido
Mihawk slash wont harm kaido tho
Yeah, that's kinda the point. He had the monster samurai in front of him. Won with a trick. And... Proceeded to sentence Oden to death... Didn't he wanna die to a monster samurai? Why didn't he face Oden again? Basically it's what @Garp the Fist wrote. Kaido's looking for what he considers a glorious death, which doesn't necessarily mean it's coming from a monster samurai.
As I understand it, some of the advocates of Luffy defeating Kaido expect Luffy to best Kaido in a 1 vs 1 at some third round. In that case, Kaido would not be so weakened that Luffy defeating him would not fulfill an ambition to surpass him.
See above. This wouldn't be that relevant if Luffy faces Kaido on his own later after Zoro had been defeated.
That said, I don't really expect that kind of development, but a development where Luffy indicates that he desires to surpass Kaido would make me update towards Kaido.
Zoro isn't Law though?
I don't think Luffy will defeat Mihawk for Zoro. Luffy fulfilled Law's life long cherished ambition for him, Luffy isn't going to fulfill Zoro's ambition for him. Defeating Kaido is not Zoro's dream, but the broader point is that Zoro and Law aren't comparable in this aspect.
and the biggest point on that is
luffy and zoro dont interfere when its the OTHERS fight
that went out the window here
this isnt just luffys fight nor is it just zoros
so i dont see how a i want to beat him at his best stay back guys fits in here
luffy and zoro dont interfere when its the OTHERS fight
that went out the window here
this isnt just luffys fight nor is it just zoros
so i dont see how a i want to beat him at his best stay back guys fits in here
That said, I don't really expect that kind of development, but a development where Luffy indicates that he desires to surpass Kaido would make me update towards Kaido.
Zoro isn't Law though?
I don't think Luffy will defeat Mihawk for Zoro. Luffy fulfilled Law's life long cherished ambition for him, Luffy isn't going to fulfill Zoro's ambition for him. Defeating Kaido is not Zoro's dream, but the broader point is that Zoro and Law aren't comparable in this aspect.
Blackbeard’s plot pre-skip was basically one long stretch of a villain getting exactly what he wants while heroes die around him.
Kaido’s not getting to take part in his greatest war the world ever seen, his all DF crew is a shambles and he won’t be the pirate king. He does not get everything he wants.
Can he achieve his personal dream of a grand death, one that doesn’t harm anyone else? I don’t see why not. Especially since it’s a dream that can make us feel some sympathy for him- what has happened to Kaido in his life that makes him want to die?
Big Mom, btw, will probably also one day achieve her dream of having a peaceful place filled with people of all races, because that’s actually a nice idea that people should strive towards. But it will be as OLin, not Big Mom.
Kaido’s not getting to take part in his greatest war the world ever seen, his all DF crew is a shambles and he won’t be the pirate king. He does not get everything he wants.
Can he achieve his personal dream of a grand death, one that doesn’t harm anyone else? I don’t see why not. Especially since it’s a dream that can make us feel some sympathy for him- what has happened to Kaido in his life that makes him want to die?
Big Mom, btw, will probably also one day achieve her dream of having a peaceful place filled with people of all races, because that’s actually a nice idea that people should strive towards. But it will be as OLin, not Big Mom.
@HA001 this is for you as well.
I'm going to rip a section from one of my essays, but I think that Kaido specifically wants to die at the hands of the samurai bearing Oden's mantle based on his interaction with the Scabbards:
When the Scabbards first struck Kaido, he sees the visage of Oden:
The scar he recieved from Oden began to throb:
Kaido was astounded and questioned why the Scabbards could pierce him, wondering if they also used Oden's Ryuo:
When the scabbards cut him, he was insulted that they could hurt him — samurai who did not measure up at all to Oden:
Kaido further tells the Scabbards that in them he saw the visage of Kozuki Oden:
As such, he could have let them kill him (fulfilling Oden's will):
With each throb of his scar he remembers Oden:
He boldly declares that they are not Oden, that never again shall a "monster samurai" of his likes appear:
He laments that they don't even have enough power to open up his old scar, concluding that they cannot do it:
(Here, doing it refers to killing him).
Kaido's affront that Samurai that don't measure up to Oden could hurt him, his acceptance of his death when he saw the shade of Oden behind them, his disappointment that they were far too weak — unable to even open up the scar Oden left — and his final proclamation that the Scabbards could not kill him give me the impression that Kaido specifically wants to die at the hands of the Samurai bearing Oden's mantle.
@Garp the Fist: I think his hobby of suicide comes from the emotional scar Oden left on his heart. He wishes Oden had killed him, and began searching for a place to die from then on.
I'm going to rip a section from one of my essays, but I think that Kaido specifically wants to die at the hands of the samurai bearing Oden's mantle based on his interaction with the Scabbards:
When the Scabbards first struck Kaido, he sees the visage of Oden:
The scar he recieved from Oden began to throb:
Kaido was astounded and questioned why the Scabbards could pierce him, wondering if they also used Oden's Ryuo:
When the scabbards cut him, he was insulted that they could hurt him — samurai who did not measure up at all to Oden:
Kaido further tells the Scabbards that in them he saw the visage of Kozuki Oden:
As such, he could have let them kill him (fulfilling Oden's will):
With each throb of his scar he remembers Oden:
He boldly declares that they are not Oden, that never again shall a "monster samurai" of his likes appear:
He laments that they don't even have enough power to open up his old scar, concluding that they cannot do it:
Kaido's affront that Samurai that don't measure up to Oden could hurt him, his acceptance of his death when he saw the shade of Oden behind them, his disappointment that they were far too weak — unable to even open up the scar Oden left — and his final proclamation that the Scabbards could not kill him give me the impression that Kaido specifically wants to die at the hands of the Samurai bearing Oden's mantle.
- He wants to be killed by Oden, and that's why he was so insulted that Samurai that do not measure up to Oden could hurt him
- He wanted to be killed by Oden, and that's why when he saw Oden's shade he could have let them kill him
- He wanted to be killed by Oden, and that's why he was so disappointed that the Scabbards were far too weak
- He wanted to be killed by Oden, and that's why he laments that never again shall a Samurai worthy of bearing Oden's mantle appear before him
@Garp the Fist: I think his hobby of suicide comes from the emotional scar Oden left on his heart. He wishes Oden had killed him, and began searching for a place to die from then on.
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