General & Others Remember when people were saying Monster Trio is not real or Sanji got kicked out of M3?

[thedarkdragon11]

M3 was, at one point, real... Luffy is no longer grouped with Zoro and Sanji who are now the Wings...

 

[Kromage911]

You still don't understand that relevance of character and strength aren't the same thing. Zoro is far less relevant than Luffy, and yet he's beaten the shit out of people who have given Luffy trouble. In arcs where his opponent was weaker, he made it out with far better health and less help. I don't know how to sustain interest in beating you over the head with this point but maybe you'll get it after ZKK, or just run off or something.

Queen was made for Sanji and is stronger than Who's Who, but Jinbe beat the living shit out of Who's Who where Sanji won't make it past Queen with the same ease respectively. Who's Who is at least as strong as Vergo, though. This is what you are trying to argue around because Oda decides to not have Sanji outclass Jinbe. He has a harder fight against a tougher opponent. Okay? You think Jinbe would lose to Queen?

And yes, I said the Monster trio is a thing and was the way you see it. Some things change and some stay the same. Sanji had no answer for Robin before DJ, but he kept his position. His bonds with Luffy and Zoro don't change whether or not someone is stronger than him. And yes, there are bonds aside from strength, because Luffy likes Sanji for more than strength and Sanji never actually competes with Zoro in power. That's literally not the basis of their interactions.

If Oda has Sanji outclass Jinbe, I say it has to be with the Raid Suit. In either case, quote me when it happens and I'll accept an L. But it won't happen. We just have to agree to disagree.

I don't agree with a lot of points in here but you're right, this debate is pretty much non-ending. It's better to agree to disagree.

 

[Blackflamesanji]

M3 was, at one point, real... Luffy is no longer grouped with Zoro and Sanji who are now the Wings...

Yeah i aggre, luffy is far too strong to be grouped with them,
It's like grouping kaido with king and queen together, It's unthinkable.
The gap is too massive now.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah i aggre, luffy is far too strong to be grouped with them,
It's like grouping kaido with king and queen together, It's unthinkable.
The gap is too massive now.

The difference is Zoro and Sanji are going to beat King and Queen alone… Luffy still needs help to beat Kaido.

 

[Blackflamesanji]

The difference is Zoro and Sanji are going to beat King and Queen alone… Luffy still needs help to beat Kaido.

We'll see, but yeah even if luffy beat kaido 1v1 now kaido is not in 100% condition anymore after getting ganged up.
But I'm sure post wano luffy will be up there with admiral and yonko power lvl wise, meanwhile sanji and zoro is just YC lvl, or if you pushing it, stonger than any yc post wano.
That's still a big gap.

 

[trav]

that panel with Jinbe

2... [no one] 1... 3!

 

[Sir Yasheen]

that panel with Jinbe

2... [no one] 1... 3!

You’re right Robin is number 2!

 

[trav]

You’re right Robin is number 2!

that would make it Robin, Zoro and Luffy

 

[Sir Yasheen]

that would make it Robin, Zoro and Luffy

Jinbe Luffy and Robin, one on each side :cheers:

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Yeah i aggre, luffy is far too strong to be grouped with them,
It's like grouping kaido with king and queen together, It's unthinkable.
The gap is too massive now.

This...

The difference is Zoro and Sanji are going to beat King and Queen alone… Luffy still needs help to beat Kaido.

Thing is, no one can beat Kaido alone...

 

[Sir Yasheen]

This...



Thing is, no one can beat Kaido alone...

I agree I’m just saying the gaps not like Kaido to King and Queen. They’re not that far apart as Zoro and Sanji are going to be shown decently stronger than King and Queen and Luffy will still be a bit weaker than Kaido.

It’s like with CP9 where Zoro and Sanji are decently stronger than Kaku and Jabra, but Luffy was even with Lucci.

 

[executor partner]

Monster Trio doesn't even exist.

It's Luffy and Zoro >>>>>>>>the rest of the crew. Simple as that.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

How can you hate Luffy?

I don't really like any shonen mc

 

[faker]

Lol your response is "well, I said so." Oda puts them in comparable situations and Jinbe comes out on top. Tekkai fractures Sanji's leg? Jinbe breaks Tekkai bones. Sanji raped by a warlord? Jinbe is a warlord. Sanji blocks Judge's spear? Jinbe blocks Napoleon. Jinbe fights Tobi Roppo while subordinates hit him? Sanji is clapped by Blacktooth and can't fight Tobi Roppo.

I was being generous by calling them equal tbh

What does this mean? Role setting is greater than everything

As I said, if the author thinks Jinbei is stronger than Sanji, why don't Jinbei fight the disaster?

This narrow perception is why Zoro fans think Zoro is better than Luffy for leaving scars on Kaido?

 

[Zowo]

Monster trio exist
Luffy zoro yamato

 

[Luffydom56]

I don't really like any shonen mc

Is there a reason? Or you think they have no depth?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don't really like any shonen mc

I get that a lot in battle shonen, but sport shonen manga, man Kuroko is one of my favorite characters.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Is there a reason? Or you think they have no depth?

PTSD from reading Naruto lol.

Usually, they seem like normal guys who just work hard, then you learn their dad is actually the Demon Dragon Emperor and their the "fated child" or some shit.

I get that a lot in battle shonen, but sport shonen manga, man Kuroko is one of my favorite characters.

i haven't read lots of sports manga. Where is Kuroko from?

 

[Kromage911]

Monster trio exist
Luffy zoro yamato

 

[Sir Yasheen]

PTSD from reading Naruto lol.

Usually, they seem like normal guys who just work hard, then you learn their dad is actually the Demon Dragon Emperor and their the "fated child" or some shit.



i haven't read lots of sports manga. Where is Kuroko from?

Kuroko no Basket (Kurokos Basketball) probably one of the best sports manga out there. It’s no hajime no ippo, but it’s better than Haikyuu and basketball is a simple enough game to understand you don’t need any background knowledge to just enjoy the action