Powers & Abilities Why do people have trouble calling characters swordsman ?

Everyone who is competent with a sword and uses it in battle, is a swordsman. However it is questionable whether each and every swordsman falls under the WSS title or only those whose strongest asset is swordsmanship. Law is a swordsman, but his power almost solely derives from his devil fruit; his abilities are not based on swordsmanship or the sword at all. While without his DF, Law was stalled by Doffy's clone. So it would be odd to strip Zoro from the WSS title because he cannot beat Law's DF, when Law's actual swordsmanship is trash compared to Zoro's.

It's another matter if the swordsman has a DF but that DF is a weaker power than his swordsmanship. King is still a contender for the WSS title, because his Zoan merely enhances his physicals (and thus his swordsmanship) and King's fire is probably not nearly as effective as his swordsmanship.

It makes sense to me because otherwise, the WSS dream would encompass too many important characters, since 99% of the relevant characters are using swords. Mihawk, Shanks, Big Mom, Roger, Xebec, Shiki. And story wise, the WSS is portrayed as a PK's right hand man material. So it would be Odd if Zoro was the one to surpass all these characters.

Another question that might arise is, why didn't Mihawk challenge Big Mom? It was said that Mihawk, after Shanks lost his arm, continued searching for and fighting strong swordsmen until there was no one left. But somehow he never crossed blades with Big Mom, who 12 years ago, was surely stronger than Shanks, since Shanks was young while Big Mom was pretty much at her prime. Nor does Mihawk challenge Big Mom now. I mean you can argue between who is stronger between Shanks and Big Mom, but still, why would Mihawk not challenge a Yonko level swordsman while fighting other swordsmen until there was "no one left".

Thus I believe that people like Big Mom and Shiki too wouldn't fall under the WSS title. Roger? Theoretically, but we have yet to know his full power, the one that allowed him to match the Gura Gura no Mi. I believe it might be a very advanced form of CoC. Since in terms of swordsmanship, he doesn't seem to be on Mihawk's level (not even having a black blade) but yet being obviously stronger.
 
so if zoro busts out asura to increase his ap, wouldnt that be wasting energy if that doesnt do the trick against pica?

Like, did you miss the part where zoro is telling elizabello not to king punch the golem because it can just regenerate? Just having high enough AP is not exactly helping against the golem.
Does Zoro know that? Do we really know that? Or are you just assuming.
No running around for 30 plus minutes over < using Ashura.... His one slash vs Multi slashes... increasing your chances to hit you're target.
 
Does Zoro know that? Do we really know that? Or are you just assuming.
No running around for 30 plus minutes over < using Ashura.... His one slash vs Multi slashes... increasing your chances to hit you're target.
I mean, are we going to deny that zoro did say that to elizabello?

And still, you have yet to properly explain how asura would have helped if all asura does is increase his AP
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Everyone who is competent with a sword and uses it in battle, is a swordsman. However it is questionable whether each and every swordsman falls under the WSS title or only those whose strongest asset is swordsmanship. Law is a swordsman, but his power almost solely derives from his devil fruit; his abilities are not based on swordsmanship or the sword at all. While without his DF, Law was stalled by Doffy's clone. So it would be odd to strip Zoro from the WSS title because he cannot beat Law's DF, when Law's actual swordsmanship is trash compared to Zoro's.

It's another matter if the swordsman has a DF but that DF is a weaker power than his swordsmanship. King is still a contender for the WSS title, because his Zoan merely enhances his physicals (and thus his swordsmanship) and King's fire is probably not nearly as effective as his swordsmanship.

It makes sense to me because otherwise, the WSS dream would encompass too many important characters, since 99% of the relevant characters are using swords. Mihawk, Shanks, Big Mom, Roger, Xebec, Shiki. And story wise, the WSS is portrayed as a PK's right hand man material. So it would be Odd if Zoro was the one to surpass all these characters.

Another question that might arise is, why didn't Mihawk challenge Big Mom? It was said that Mihawk, after Shanks lost his arm, continued searching for and fighting strong swordsmen until there was no one left. But somehow he never crossed blades with Big Mom, who 12 years ago, was surely stronger than Shanks, since Shanks was young while Big Mom was pretty much at her prime. Nor does Mihawk challenge Big Mom now. I mean you can argue between who is stronger between Shanks and Big Mom, but still, why would Mihawk not challenge a Yonko level swordsman while fighting other swordsmen until there was "no one left".

Thus I believe that people like Big Mom and Shiki too wouldn't fall under the WSS title. Roger? Theoretically, but we have yet to know his full power, the one that allowed him to match the Gura Gura no Mi. I believe it might be a very advanced form of CoC. Since in terms of swordsmanship, he doesn't seem to be on Mihawk's level (not even having a black blade) but yet being obviously stronger.
Thats cap. Oda says people like law and fuji are swordsman. End of.

Its even worse how you try somehow shoehorn dual wielding swordsman shikki out of being one.
 
I mean, are we going to deny that zoro did say that to elizabello?

And still, you have yet to properly explain how asura would have helped if all asura does is increase his AP
hahaha Did I not say Increases his Slashes, to Multiple? did you miss that?
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Does Zoro know that? Do we really know that? Or are you just assuming.
No running around for 30 plus minutes over < using Ashura.... His one slash vs Multi slashes... increasing your chances to hit your target.
 
hahaha Did I not say Increases his Slashes, to Multiple? did you miss that?
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and he cant do multiple slashes without asura? last time i checked, he absolutely can.
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It makes sense to me because otherwise, the WSS dream would encompass too many important characters, since 99% of the relevant characters are using swords. Mihawk, Shanks, Big Mom, Roger, Xebec, Shiki. And story wise, the WSS is portrayed as a PK's right hand man material. So it would be Odd if Zoro was the one to surpass all these characters.
its not clear whether past characters matter to zoros dream, so he does not necessarily have to surpass roger, xebec and shiki.
 
its not clear whether past characters matter to zoros dream, so he does not necessarily have to surpass roger, xebec and shiki.
Well, a lot say since it's a shounen, Zoro will be the strongest ever. And I don't buy that Zoro will surpass Roger and Primebeard in power.

We've seen Im making use of a blade (albeit only to cut wanted posters). When we will see a flashback of Joyboy and Im fighting with blades, what will Zoro fandoms reaction be? They think Zoro gonna be above the gods of the world?
 
Well, a lot say since it's a shounen, Zoro will be the strongest ever. And I don't buy that Zoro will surpass Roger and Primebeard in power.

We've seen Im making use of a blade (albeit only to cut wanted posters). When we will see a flashback of Joyboy and Im fighting with blades, what will Zoro fandoms reaction be? They think Zoro gonna be above the gods of the world?
some of the people that qualify as part of "the zoro fandom" might think that.

I guess some think his dream is covering the past as well because the old viz translater put an "ever" in his conversation with kuina. Den den cleared that up stating there is no "ever" in the raw japanese. Therefore i dont think its likely that his dream covers past characters
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Well, a lot say since it's a shounen, Zoro will be the strongest ever. And I don't buy that Zoro will surpass Roger and Primebeard in power.

We've seen Im making use of a blade (albeit only to cut wanted posters). When we will see a flashback of Joyboy and Im fighting with blades, what will Zoro fandoms reaction be? They think Zoro gonna be above the gods of the world?
Yes, because Zoro is a god. Demon god but a god nonetheless. :goyea:
 
Don't take the titles too seriously:
Is Kaido a human male? If so he's weaker than Whitebeard because Whitebeard is the strongest man.
Is whitebeard a living organism? If so he's weaker than Kaido because Kaido is the strongest organism.
Is Whitebeard a swordsman because he uses a meito?
Was Garp stronger than Whitebeard without his fruit considering he was on par with Roger, and he did not have a crippling sickness.
When WB died who did the strongest man title go to?
Was Gol a swordsman?
How did Mihawk stake claim to the title, who was the previous WSSM and when did Mihawk beat him?
Who is the second strongest swordsman, third, fourth, fifth, 10th?

Most relevantly:
Are brawlers who utilize weapons considered primarily weapon users or brawlers?
Why is hypotheical advanced kings haki, which not everyone would be able to have, considered part of pure swordsmanship, but devil fruits are not?
 
Don't take the titles too seriously:
Is Kaido a human male? If so he's weaker than Whitebeard because Whitebeard is the strongest man.
Is whitebeard a living organism? If so he's weaker than Kaido because Kaido is the strongest organism.
Is Whitebeard a swordsman because he uses a meito?
Was Garp stronger than Whitebeard without his fruit considering he was on par with Roger, and he did not have a crippling sickness.
When WB died who did the strongest man title go to?
Was Gol a swordsman?
How did Mihawk stake claim to the title, who was the previous WSSM and when did Mihawk beat him?
Who is the second strongest swordsman, third, fourth, fifth, 10th?

Most relevantly:
Are brawlers who utilize weapons considered primarily weapon users or brawlers?
Why is hypotheical advanced kings haki, which not everyone would be able to have, considered part of pure swordsmanship, but devil fruits are not?
Titles are just Social Standing really. It's not like there was a fucking tournament to decide whose who and what they get. Yes people take the titles way to literal.
 
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