Chapter Discussion ONE PIECE CHAPTER 982: SCOUNDREL MEETS SCOUNDREL
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Average chapter..
Due to the amount of people participating in this current war,we can't spend much time on one side and thus the plot seems to be advancing at snail pace.
However confirming BM didn't turn back to O-lin from what people thought she might have last chapter,is pretty good.Her mindlessly pursuing chopper and Ussop and getting further and further away from the banquet is a bit less good.
Marco's note to luffy was nothing special hence why I continue telling people to stop over-analyzing things based on little infos;it is because of these type of things I didn't enjoy the Oden flashback as it seemed unequal through its length and screamed retcon.
Luffy meeting page 1 and Multi was unexpected and that's what I really like about this raid,everything just seems to be impossible to guess.
Sanji isn't with the Ussop group chased by Bm nor is he with the naming group,I think he is going to meet the last member of the tobbi Roppo who has yet to be shown searching for Yamato;X-drake.
I guess Zoro, Kid and killer have probably been separated off panel and are going to enter the mansion on their own.
Next chapter, I expect Luffy and his group to meet Kaido as I think the meeting with Ulti and page 1 is just a Red Herring.
Due to the amount of people participating in this current war,we can't spend much time on one side and thus the plot seems to be advancing at snail pace.
However confirming BM didn't turn back to O-lin from what people thought she might have last chapter,is pretty good.Her mindlessly pursuing chopper and Ussop and getting further and further away from the banquet is a bit less good.
Marco's note to luffy was nothing special hence why I continue telling people to stop over-analyzing things based on little infos;it is because of these type of things I didn't enjoy the Oden flashback as it seemed unequal through its length and screamed retcon.
Luffy meeting page 1 and Multi was unexpected and that's what I really like about this raid,everything just seems to be impossible to guess.
Sanji isn't with the Ussop group chased by Bm nor is he with the naming group,I think he is going to meet the last member of the tobbi Roppo who has yet to be shown searching for Yamato;X-drake.
I guess Zoro, Kid and killer have probably been separated off panel and are going to enter the mansion on their own.
Next chapter, I expect Luffy and his group to meet Kaido as I think the meeting with Ulti and page 1 is just a Red Herring.
Ok, it was indeed a very fun chapter to read, but man oh man we're in a territory right now, where you better just enjoy the chapters and don't overthink the writing.
Oda's storywriting has seen better days and that's putting it mildly.
Like I said yesterday: Everyone and their mother knew that Kaido was ruling over Wano. Doflamingo knew it, Law knew it, the marines knew it, the minks knew it, BM knew it and even the SHs learned that fact on their very first day in the New World (PH).
So you're telling me that the WB pirates haven't learned that fact IN OVER 20 FUCKING YEARS?! Despite Ace actually even visiting Wano and Izo being a Wano native?
That's bullshit writing.
BM has now turned into a complete gag character, too. I don't know what Oda was thinking when writing her. Let that one sink in: A Yonkou with murderous intentions is standing right in front o Chopper and Usopp and we feel zero sense of danger for them. Even Nami said "Well, whatever ...".
That's bullshit writing, no matter if you love or hate BM as a character.
Kanjuuro completely forgot to tell Kaido and Orochi, that Kyoshiro was actually Denjiro all along. That was THE most important message of all btw.
That's massive bullshit writing.
Those are only three very questionable scenes btw.
So to sum it up, it's still a nice and fun read. However, the storywriting itself has gone really downhill.
Oda's storywriting has seen better days and that's putting it mildly.
Like I said yesterday: Everyone and their mother knew that Kaido was ruling over Wano. Doflamingo knew it, Law knew it, the marines knew it, the minks knew it, BM knew it and even the SHs learned that fact on their very first day in the New World (PH).
So you're telling me that the WB pirates haven't learned that fact IN OVER 20 FUCKING YEARS?! Despite Ace actually even visiting Wano and Izo being a Wano native?
That's bullshit writing.
BM has now turned into a complete gag character, too. I don't know what Oda was thinking when writing her. Let that one sink in: A Yonkou with murderous intentions is standing right in front o Chopper and Usopp and we feel zero sense of danger for them. Even Nami said "Well, whatever ...".
That's bullshit writing, no matter if you love or hate BM as a character.
Kanjuuro completely forgot to tell Kaido and Orochi, that Kyoshiro was actually Denjiro all along. That was THE most important message of all btw.
That's massive bullshit writing.
Those are only three very questionable scenes btw.
So to sum it up, it's still a nice and fun read. However, the storywriting itself has gone really downhill.
The plotholes and bad writing is especially strong in wano...
The whole thing with wano/oden could have been resolved for 25 years. Because oda has not given a single reason good enough to say, "ah yes, this makes sense".
This is the third big bad writing of oda storywise.
First was black coa, second the amnesia bullshit of sabo.
Really sad.
The whole thing with wano/oden could have been resolved for 25 years. Because oda has not given a single reason good enough to say, "ah yes, this makes sense".
This is the third big bad writing of oda storywise.
First was black coa, second the amnesia bullshit of sabo.
Really sad.
What's hard to get? I am personally extremely unimpressed with how Dragon has been overshadowed by Sabo, has his base destroyed and didn't even go to the Reverie. I do not feel that any other top tier aside from Big Mom has been so ineffectual a character.
Yes, and I'm saying that the greatest foe the world government has getting got with his pants down and that ending with him having to flee his base does not impress me very much. His main base being destroyed because his organisation were too incompetent to realise that a half-dead Burgess had stowed away on one of their ships and snuck in is not a good look. Neither is him being completely unaware of what happened at Reverie. This does not make him come across as a particularly competent leader or character as we do not have many examples of him having any personal success.
Well, I've actually said I don't think that Sengoku was a brilliant Fleet Admiral in the past, so okay?
But the difference is that Sengoku is not the supreme leader of his organisation the way that Dragon is his. Sengoku has to answer to Kong, who answers to the Gorosei, who answers to Im. Dragon answers to no one but himself.
Plus, the Marines won at Marineford. Their goal at the start was to kill Ace, Ace still ended up dead, and so did Whitebeard. We don't know what exactly happened at the Reverie, but it does not look like Dragon gathering his leaders and declaring war has been a massive success, does it?
I'm well aware that Sabo isn't dead, I don't even think that's what the newspaper is reporting. But the problem is that Dragon does not have a fucking clue what the truth is. He for some reason let his main men go charging into the heart of enemy territory without going with them, and as such is totally unaware of what has happened there.
Again, not a great look.
It actually is a big deal because it showed that Zoro was still miles away from achieving his dream.
Yes, and I'm saying that the greatest foe the world government has getting got with his pants down and that ending with him having to flee his base does not impress me very much. His main base being destroyed because his organisation were too incompetent to realise that a half-dead Burgess had stowed away on one of their ships and snuck in is not a good look. Neither is him being completely unaware of what happened at Reverie. This does not make him come across as a particularly competent leader or character as we do not have many examples of him having any personal success.
Well, I've actually said I don't think that Sengoku was a brilliant Fleet Admiral in the past, so okay?
But the difference is that Sengoku is not the supreme leader of his organisation the way that Dragon is his. Sengoku has to answer to Kong, who answers to the Gorosei, who answers to Im. Dragon answers to no one but himself.
Plus, the Marines won at Marineford. Their goal at the start was to kill Ace, Ace still ended up dead, and so did Whitebeard. We don't know what exactly happened at the Reverie, but it does not look like Dragon gathering his leaders and declaring war has been a massive success, does it?
I'm well aware that Sabo isn't dead, I don't even think that's what the newspaper is reporting. But the problem is that Dragon does not have a fucking clue what the truth is. He for some reason let his main men go charging into the heart of enemy territory without going with them, and as such is totally unaware of what has happened there.
Again, not a great look.
It actually is a big deal because it showed that Zoro was still miles away from achieving his dream.
About the three points you mentioned.
1)kanjuro not mentioning Denjiro identity -
I think he did but it was skipped. There is slight break between when kanjuro stops orochi from celebrating and orochi getting information that scabbards are fine. I guess it was page 5 and 6.
And, even if he really didn't then either there is some twist coming up regarding this or I will agree that it's BS writing.
2) Marco comment on wano
He never said that he was unaware of kaido being there.
All he say is that he was unaware that situation in wano would be this bad implying that he knew wano is in trouble but not to this extent.
3)BM
Well I agree that BM doesn't give vibe of much threat anymore but chopper and usoop are running away in a tank which itself indicate that they fear BM. So, why we need to feel danger for them?
And, context of nami comment was " let's move on because both nami and carrot can't do anything to help usoop and chopper as it's BM".
1)kanjuro not mentioning Denjiro identity -
I think he did but it was skipped. There is slight break between when kanjuro stops orochi from celebrating and orochi getting information that scabbards are fine. I guess it was page 5 and 6.
And, even if he really didn't then either there is some twist coming up regarding this or I will agree that it's BS writing.
2) Marco comment on wano
He never said that he was unaware of kaido being there.
All he say is that he was unaware that situation in wano would be this bad implying that he knew wano is in trouble but not to this extent.
3)BM
Well I agree that BM doesn't give vibe of much threat anymore but chopper and usoop are running away in a tank which itself indicate that they fear BM. So, why we need to feel danger for them?
And, context of nami comment was " let's move on because both nami and carrot can't do anything to help usoop and chopper as it's BM".
A yonko base is where all military power of a yonko is gathered. Dragon's base must be hidden cause military power is scattered on all 4 seas, there's a big difference u see, his base is much easier to conquer. Dragon lost his base the moment it was discovered.
How is Dragon's fault Burgess hid on Sabo's ship? That's not a minus on Dragon's part.
Yeah, well I think Sabo rescued Kuma & conscripted Bonney, so I think rev mission was a total success. Plus they injured admiral/admirals. It's too soon for u to blame Dragon based on a newspaper.
Dragon has no clue what happened cause he did not expect rev army to fight admirals. Sabo wasn't supposed to fight admirals, that was Sabo's initiative.
How is Dragon's fault Burgess hid on Sabo's ship? That's not a minus on Dragon's part.
Yeah, well I think Sabo rescued Kuma & conscripted Bonney, so I think rev mission was a total success. Plus they injured admiral/admirals. It's too soon for u to blame Dragon based on a newspaper.
Dragon has no clue what happened cause he did not expect rev army to fight admirals. Sabo wasn't supposed to fight admirals, that was Sabo's initiative.
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