Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I didn't say anything about leftist. You say you've changed, but you still rely on assuming things about people in an attempt to corner them morally, the #1 reason people choose not to listen to you.

I hope one day you will understand that it's not because you don't say something that you do not imply it through your entire thought process.

Everyone is idealistic aside from a few philosophical corner of the world and a few field of leftism. So when you attack the materialistic vision of the world, you attack this part of people.

Me being changed does not mean that I have to accept lies. It simply means that I will reply to it less and will eventually leave as you are proving me once again that there is no structural hope for positivity to rise here. And once again, as always, you finds a decoy to avoid facing a hard truth.

You do not understand materialism or idealism and it's (one of) the reason why you think that my vision is closer to the horror genre than utopist science fiction.

Stop seeing humans as monolithics.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You say you've changed,

I wonder when you will

 

[Daniel]

Logiko is basically calling for the extreme emotional manipulation of the masses to condition them into getting rid of desire and individualism, for the betterment of the collective.

The same government that tries to preach what the ideal behavior is for all of its citizens can also be the one that has its law enforcement send people to camps if any of them step out of line.

You, as a person, are expected to behave in a way that fits the "model" citizen ideal, this often comes at the cost of sacrificing your individuality, including your innermost thoughts, beliefs, and perspectives on various aspects of life.

You may also notice that the punishment for certain "transgressions" can start to become far worse than the crime that was committed.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

ALL societies used to do this. It is the NORM.

not anymore

nowadays society is based off who can screw over the other guy more to get richer

 

[Uncle Van]

The same government that tries to preach what the ideal behavior is for all of its citizens can also be the one that has its law enforcement send people to camps if any of them step out of line.

You, as a person, are expected to behave in a way that fits the "model" citizen ideal, this often comes at the cost of sacrificing your individuality, including your innermost thoughts, beliefs, and perspectives on various aspects of life.

You may also notice that the punishment for certain "transgressions" can start to become far worse than the crime that was committed.

A perfect utopia wouldn't need laws or a punishment system either.

 

[Logiko]

The same government that tries to preach what the ideal behavior is for all of its citizens can also be the one that has its law enforcement send people to camps if any of them step out of line.

You, as a person, are expected to behave in a way that fits the "model" citizen ideal, this often comes at the cost of sacrificing your individuality, including your innermost thoughts, beliefs, and perspectives on various aspects of life.

You may also notice that the punishment for certain "transgressions" can start to become far worse than the crime that was committed.

And while you are wondering what people like me could enforce because you do not want to be forced not to say or do horrible stuff... capitalism is literally burning the world.

A perfect utopia wouldn't need laws or a punishment system either.

Indeed. What I'm talking about is a society where there is no need for laws anymore.

If systems are created in a way that pushes people toward positivity, there is no reasons (unless there is a societal collapse or an exterior event) for a societies to start going sideways as social pressure will do the job of laws.

 

[Blax Blah]

@NAMELESS @Daniel @Uncle Van @AL sama @Bisoromi Bear may I ask, have you heard of tankies and anarcho communism?

And @NAMELESS have you heard of anarcho capitalism?

 

[Daniel]

A perfect utopia wouldn't need laws or a punishment system either.

Which isn't feasible since there are going to be situations where mere disagreements can spiral out of control, in which case mere words between two "parties" in the conflict won't be able to solve the issue at hand.

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[Uncle Van]

@NAMELESS @Daniel @Uncle Van @AL sama @Bisoromi Bear may I ask, have you heard of tankies and anarcho communism?

And @NAMELESS have you heard of anarcho capitalism?

This is like your 6th asking me this man. Didn't we literally have a discussion about it? Lol

 

[Ravagerblade]

This is like your 6th asking me this man. Didn't we literally have a discussion about it? Lol

My good man Van, have you heard of anarcho communism?

 

[Daniel]

@NAMELESS @Daniel @Uncle Van @AL sama @Bisoromi Bear may I ask, have you heard of tankies and anarcho communism?

And @NAMELESS have you heard of anarcho capitalism?

I'm not really interested in looking deeper into different political systems, but rather, ways of surviving and adapting within these political systems pique my interest a bit more.

 

[Uncle Van]

My good man Van, have you heard of anarcho communism?

I can't think of a comeback right now and that pisses me off

I'm not really interested in looking deeper into different political systems, but rather, ways of surviving and adapting within these political systems pique my interest a bit more.

I think understanding what political systems and ideologies are is a good thing since so many people toss them out without the slightest idea of what they mean.

 

[NAMELESS]

@NAMELESS @Daniel @Uncle Van @AL sama @Bisoromi Bear may I ask, have you heard of tankies and anarcho communism?

And @NAMELESS have you heard of anarcho capitalism?

Dude, i have heard about all variants of communism, it is literally in the wikipedia. Anarcho capitalism is also pretty popular. Would you mind stop tagging me about this? How old are you btw?

My good man Van, have you heard of anarcho communism?

lol
I see mods deleted one of my posts. This thread...lmfao

I can't think of a comeback right now and that pisses me off



I think understanding what political systems and ideologies are is a good thing since so many people toss them out without the slightest idea of what they mean.

But have you heard of anarchocommunism, my guy? Look it up!

 

[Blax Blah]

This is like your 6th asking me this man. Didn't we literally have a discussion about it? Lol

Yeah maybe so I don't really remember sorry

I'm not really interested in looking deeper into different political systems, but rather, ways of surviving and adapting within these political systems pique my interest a bit more.

May I ask, what do you mean?

Dude, i have heard about all variants of communism, it is literally in the wikipedia. Anarcho capitalism is also pretty popular. Would you mind stop tagging me about this? How old are you btw?

lol
I see mods deleted one of my posts. This thread...lmfao

But have you heard of anarchocommunism, my guy? Look it up!

Alrighty with the ping
Awesome, what do you think about it?

I'm not sure how popular anarcho capitalism is but generla libertarian sentiment I think is a lot more popular than the anarcho capitalist title itself

What about you @Ravagerblade ?

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And may I ask have you heard about the word tankie?

 

[Daniel]

May I ask, what do you mean?

I don't care about debating different types of political systems atm.

 

[NAMELESS]

Yeah maybe so I don't really remember sorry



May I ask, what do you mean?



Alrighty with the ping
Awesome, what do you think about it?

I'm not sure how popular anarcho capitalism is but generla libertarian sentiment I think is a lot more popular than the anarcho capitalist title itself

What about you @Ravagerblade ?

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And may I ask have you heard about the word tankie?

I think its bullshit. Not interested in debating this at the moment.

I don't care about debating different types of political systems atm.

Me neither.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

@NAMELESS @Daniel @Uncle Van @AL sama @Bisoromi Bear may I ask, have you heard of tankies and anarcho communism?

And @NAMELESS have you heard of anarcho capitalism?

I was not asked, but I support arachno-communism.

 

[Mathias]

We already debated this, but here i go again. Envy. It is envy. Who do you think has more value: A retarded that has no skills or a man that accumulated enough wealth and created a factory where retards with no skills can be put to work? Most factory workers have no value whatsoever.
They literally do the most basic movements like pushing fucking buttons. People like this should feel privileged to earn money doing stupid things like pushing buttons all day. Robotics is going to make a bunch of human beings completely useless.

We should elevate the retard so that they all get equal

 

[NAMELESS]

We should elevate the retard so that they all get equal

Retards should appreciate factory owners.

 

[Reborn]

Usually, when you are not an a*shole, you put more care in people in need.

But of course, I don't expect you to understand that





With my respesct, this is kindergarten level reflexion. It's like sayin "dream is not enough because it's just a dream"

Ok Einstein. But what you don't get is the iceberg of informations and scientific knowledge related the affirmation that a 1000x time better world than we live in today IS possible (which would be a form of Utopia).

You just give me a new proof of our conditionning. Our system made you completely reject the idea of a better world.

What I'm talking about is the opposite of idealism. It's a materialist affirmation.

On the other hand, the idea that a better world is impossible because of human nature is an idealistic and irrationnal belief.


Thanks for sharing

You don't understand what it means when science says it's possible.

Second, learn to read. I said we can make better world.


But utopia? Ideal society? Nah...


What you call kindergarten level stuff is exactly the study of science - psychology and behaviour of humans about which you know little about