Future Events A scenario with BB as final villain
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bb is more relevant then shanks we know the context bb defeating shanks
shanks is tracking down bb, it's going to happen, a heavy majority of op community knows this, guess since you're shanks fan can't accept it though oda has hinted at throughout the story
shanks is tracking down bb, it's going to happen, a heavy majority of op community knows this, guess since you're shanks fan can't accept it though oda has hinted at throughout the story
Cope
Bro. Please read my comment again.
There is a difference between 2 people with obvious story connections clashing which we all know is happening vs. a baseless outcome literally nobody knows is happening
- Do we know they will clash? Yes
- Do we know when? No
- Do we know how? No
- Do we know if itll be onscreen or offscreen? No.
- Do we know who will win? No
- Do we even know if there will even be a winner? No
- Do we know if this will even happen in isolation from the main character who is inherently tied to both? No!
Please tell me you understand this difference. There is not one lick of dialogue in 1086 chapters that forshadows Blackbeard offscreening/defeating/killing Shanks. Not one. Scarring is not a valid answer. Rivalry and hatred isnt either. Their encounter does not supercede Luffy's own with them. Every single plotline is secondary to the main character.
I do not understand why this is so hard to comprehend with this fanbase.
P.s. you literally do not know what he went to the Gorosei for. If it was that "obvious" it was about Blackbeard, then Oda had zero reason to hide this from the reader. Mystery usually means misdirect in nearly every instance of the narrative technique
There is a difference between 2 people with obvious story connections clashing which we all know is happening vs. a baseless outcome literally nobody knows is happening
- Do we know they will clash? Yes
- Do we know when? No
- Do we know how? No
- Do we know if itll be onscreen or offscreen? No.
- Do we know who will win? No
- Do we even know if there will even be a winner? No
- Do we know if this will even happen in isolation from the main character who is inherently tied to both? No!
Please tell me you understand this difference. There is not one lick of dialogue in 1086 chapters that forshadows Blackbeard offscreening/defeating/killing Shanks. Not one. Scarring is not a valid answer. Rivalry and hatred isnt either. Their encounter does not supercede Luffy's own with them. Every single plotline is secondary to the main character.
I do not understand why this is so hard to comprehend with this fanbase.
P.s. you literally do not know what he went to the Gorosei for. If it was that "obvious" it was about Blackbeard, then Oda had zero reason to hide this from the reader. Mystery usually means misdirect in nearly every instance of the narrative technique
No lol
IMu is creator and he knows more than what audience knows. He marked vivi before we even knew she is descendant of Lily - a D from 800 years ago.
So, if he marked BB then there has to be a big reason.
And, Luffy being a D means both Dragon and Garp are Ds and known to the world. Heck, Snegoku literally announced Dragon name and WG knows Dragon is Garp son.
Yet, ImU didn't mark Dragon - someone who is literally targetting WG to over throw them but Blackbeard.
I get it you don't like BB so accept this instead of denying the obvious
IMu is creator and he knows more than what audience knows. He marked vivi before we even knew she is descendant of Lily - a D from 800 years ago.
So, if he marked BB then there has to be a big reason.
And, Luffy being a D means both Dragon and Garp are Ds and known to the world. Heck, Snegoku literally announced Dragon name and WG knows Dragon is Garp son.
Yet, ImU didn't mark Dragon - someone who is literally targetting WG to over throw them but Blackbeard.
I get it you don't like BB so accept this instead of denying the obvious
No, im not betting anything. Im sick of the discussion because there actually is zero viable evidence one side is killing the other lol, especially in isolation from Luffy.
Like, actually nothing exists. You want to argue a big fight or clash is happening, cool, i agree with it. But to even remotely try and justify its outcome one way or another is nonsense.
Im not even arguing for Shanks' side or case on this. This all has frankly to do with Luffy, who has TONS of narrarive importance to Shanks over a clash everyone thinks is some massive status quo shift. The same actually goes for Blackbeard.
Believe what you want
Like, actually nothing exists. You want to argue a big fight or clash is happening, cool, i agree with it. But to even remotely try and justify its outcome one way or another is nonsense.
Im not even arguing for Shanks' side or case on this. This all has frankly to do with Luffy, who has TONS of narrarive importance to Shanks over a clash everyone thinks is some massive status quo shift. The same actually goes for Blackbeard.
Believe what you want
You are the only who thinks shanks vs luffy has more basis than shanks vs BB even after last chapter which dropped another hint of BB having connection with shanks.
You are the only one who calls BB vs shanks as baseless despite multiple evidences.
You are biased for shanks and we can clearly see this. It's okay. Everyone is towards their fav.
But let me tell you clearly, as of now, shanks vs BB is set in stone and shanks vs Luffy won't happen and if it does then atmost it will be friendly spar and nothing more.
I don't delve into what if shanks motive is different because that's just based on assumption and what if scenario.
As far as death is concerned then yes I doubt oda will kill shanks but BB vs Shanks will happen
You are the only one who calls BB vs shanks as baseless despite multiple evidences.
You are biased for shanks and we can clearly see this. It's okay. Everyone is towards their fav.
But let me tell you clearly, as of now, shanks vs BB is set in stone and shanks vs Luffy won't happen and if it does then atmost it will be friendly spar and nothing more.
I don't delve into what if shanks motive is different because that's just based on assumption and what if scenario.
As far as death is concerned then yes I doubt oda will kill shanks but BB vs Shanks will happen
I disagree with your reasoning. If the only reason for Gorosei's obedience to Imu is his identity / background as WG founder, imo it will mean Gorosei Elders are rather innocent. If Topman for example get Immortal Surgery and he can topple Imu using his immortality, why wouldnt he? Imu cant stop an immortal anyway. The impression i get from Gorosei is that there can be no other way besides obediencr for them and entire world, its way too devoted for obedience due to status / political hierarchy as founder. Thats why i think Imu have godly status in the lore, not as actual creator of humans and races i mean, but divine creator of something important such as the devil fruits, equipped or born with godly unmatchable powers even to Gorosei, even without Ope Immortality.
- Is Imu already confirmed as Immortality Operation Recipient, even?
- Is Imu already confirmed as Immortality Operation Recipient, even?
They wouldn’t topple Imu because they genuinely worship him.
Topman and the other Gorosei are born into an elite society where they believe themselves to be divine dragons, apart and above the other races of the world like humans, fishmen, giants etc.
This belief is based on them being descendants of twenty kings who created the world government. They believe they have a divine right to rule that stems from those people. That story is the basis for their entire way of life and how the structure of the world is made.
Imu stems from that time. Imu is one of the ancestor creator gods in the flesh. They worship Imu because everything they have comes from Imu and those other kings. Imu is to them the immortal evidence of their own divine right to rule.
That’s the world that the Gorosei were born and raised into. It will have shaped their entire view of the world and acts as a justification for all their actions. Imu is central to that belief.
But they will be wrong, and Imu will be wrong. Imu is not divine. Imu is just a person, same as anyone, who had a DF operation that could happen to anyone. As Homing said
If Imu is genuinely some godly being- Homing is wrong. The Celestial Dragons are a chosen race that stands above humanity.
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And how exactly is this meant to prove that the rulers of the world are somehow unaware that the infamous son of Monkey D Garp (most famous Marine for forty odd years) and father of Monkey D Luffy (worldwide famous criminal and Imu’s personal hated boy), the most wanted criminal in the world, is in fact called Monkey D Dragon?
Ace took his mother’s name deliberately and hid who he was. Was still an open D, mind you, and that caused attention to be drawn to him. And it didn’t stop the World Gov from finding out that Ace was really Gol D Ace.
Topman and the other Gorosei are born into an elite society where they believe themselves to be divine dragons, apart and above the other races of the world like humans, fishmen, giants etc.
This belief is based on them being descendants of twenty kings who created the world government. They believe they have a divine right to rule that stems from those people. That story is the basis for their entire way of life and how the structure of the world is made.
Imu stems from that time. Imu is one of the ancestor creator gods in the flesh. They worship Imu because everything they have comes from Imu and those other kings. Imu is to them the immortal evidence of their own divine right to rule.
That’s the world that the Gorosei were born and raised into. It will have shaped their entire view of the world and acts as a justification for all their actions. Imu is central to that belief.
But they will be wrong, and Imu will be wrong. Imu is not divine. Imu is just a person, same as anyone, who had a DF operation that could happen to anyone. As Homing said
If Imu is genuinely some godly being- Homing is wrong. The Celestial Dragons are a chosen race that stands above humanity.
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And how exactly is this meant to prove that the rulers of the world are somehow unaware that the infamous son of Monkey D Garp (most famous Marine for forty odd years) and father of Monkey D Luffy (worldwide famous criminal and Imu’s personal hated boy), the most wanted criminal in the world, is in fact called Monkey D Dragon?
Ace took his mother’s name deliberately and hid who he was. Was still an open D, mind you, and that caused attention to be drawn to him. And it didn’t stop the World Gov from finding out that Ace was really Gol D Ace.
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Reborn, are you actually reading my posts? Please read my posts lmao
You and @Jailer keep making baseless claims that im saying they arent fighting, when in fact I keep saying they are in 5 times in my posts. Use your eyes, I am talking about outcome, which you agree with at the end of your post.
If I was being biased I would say Shanks is destroying Teach. But no, do not presume to tell me Shanks meeting Luffy is not more important than Shanks and Teach clashing lol, because that shit just makes you sound biased.
Luffy is the story. His relationship with Shanks and Blackbeard separately are more important than their relationship with each other. This is not bias, this is an absolute fact. You telling me otherwise just makes you a hypocrite
You and @Jailer keep making baseless claims that im saying they arent fighting, when in fact I keep saying they are in 5 times in my posts. Use your eyes, I am talking about outcome, which you agree with at the end of your post.
If I was being biased I would say Shanks is destroying Teach. But no, do not presume to tell me Shanks meeting Luffy is not more important than Shanks and Teach clashing lol, because that shit just makes you sound biased.
Luffy is the story. His relationship with Shanks and Blackbeard separately are more important than their relationship with each other. This is not bias, this is an absolute fact. You telling me otherwise just makes you a hypocrite
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None of those scenarios really work.
For (1): How do the Revs assemble at Mariejois and get past Navy HQ? How do they face the forces of the 170 WG nations with just 8 in rebellion? The Strawhat alliance is necessary for any straightforward invasion of Mariejois.
(2) Luffy would basically become Pirate King with no competion, and that would also mean that Blackbeard randomly abandoned that dream.
How do the Blackbeard pirates get past all the WG forces to kill Imu? And why would the Gorosei or Navy HQ listen to him instead of immediately wiping out the BB pirates?
(3) The BB pirates alone would be a much lesser force than a Strawhat + Rev alliance, let alone a worldwide one (Wano, Yonko remnants, Warlords, etc). They’d be laughed into defeat.
Even at the end of Marineford, BB had no hope of defeating everyone present if they chose to focus on him.
The Strawhats & co would also have to be the greatest morons ever to not expect a betrayal from BB and be ready to beat his ass if he takes a wrong step.
The only way for Blackbeard to be the final fight is everyone else being too stupid or BB taking a vacation in hopes everyone else forgets he’s still out there and being a pointless addendum after the weight of 900 years of history has already been taking care of.
For (1): How do the Revs assemble at Mariejois and get past Navy HQ? How do they face the forces of the 170 WG nations with just 8 in rebellion? The Strawhat alliance is necessary for any straightforward invasion of Mariejois.
(2) Luffy would basically become Pirate King with no competion, and that would also mean that Blackbeard randomly abandoned that dream.
How do the Blackbeard pirates get past all the WG forces to kill Imu? And why would the Gorosei or Navy HQ listen to him instead of immediately wiping out the BB pirates?
(3) The BB pirates alone would be a much lesser force than a Strawhat + Rev alliance, let alone a worldwide one (Wano, Yonko remnants, Warlords, etc). They’d be laughed into defeat.
Even at the end of Marineford, BB had no hope of defeating everyone present if they chose to focus on him.
The Strawhats & co would also have to be the greatest morons ever to not expect a betrayal from BB and be ready to beat his ass if he takes a wrong step.
The only way for Blackbeard to be the final fight is everyone else being too stupid or BB taking a vacation in hopes everyone else forgets he’s still out there and being a pointless addendum after the weight of 900 years of history has already been taking care of.
The same way they rescued Kuma from Marijoa
Do you know what Blackbeard is really aiming for? Is it to become the PK / control the world / something else? Heck, Oda even gave Luffy a new dream other than PK recently
There could be some secret passage/connection between Raftel to Marijoa. Lets be honest Luffy and his crew are not again taking a long sea voyage to travel from Raftel to Marijoa
Because gorosei are not strong enough?
BB might not have to face the Navy HQ.
Kizaru could fall in Egghead
Fuji vs Greenbull could fight each other
Akainu alone faces Dragon/Sabo. Dont forget that Aokiji is also part of BB pirates.
Blackbeard had the last laugh though. If I told you before MF arc that BB with his 4 crewmates could kill Whitebeard and take his power in the presence of the entire WB pirates and navy forces, you wouldnt believe me. But thats exactly what happened. He will have a similar plot armor.
You expect the side antagonists to be competent? What manga are you reading?
Do you know what Blackbeard is really aiming for? Is it to become the PK / control the world / something else? Heck, Oda even gave Luffy a new dream other than PK recently
There could be some secret passage/connection between Raftel to Marijoa. Lets be honest Luffy and his crew are not again taking a long sea voyage to travel from Raftel to Marijoa
Because gorosei are not strong enough?
BB might not have to face the Navy HQ.
Kizaru could fall in Egghead
Fuji vs Greenbull could fight each other
Akainu alone faces Dragon/Sabo. Dont forget that Aokiji is also part of BB pirates.
Blackbeard had the last laugh though. If I told you before MF arc that BB with his 4 crewmates could kill Whitebeard and take his power in the presence of the entire WB pirates and navy forces, you wouldnt believe me. But thats exactly what happened. He will have a similar plot armor.
You expect the side antagonists to be competent? What manga are you reading?
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