Character Discussion Did Kaido acknowledged Zoro as a monster samurai like Oden?

[comrade]

oro has to be strong to use enma but enma is the tool that let him cut kaido

So you have a panel stating Zoro needed Enma to cut Kaido? He said he would need to release more of Enma's power, but he didn't even use Haki at all before making that statement. Meaning, Zoro was strongly holding back with Enma for Enma not to draw out too much Haki.

But then again, how is that proof pre Enma Zoro can't cut Kaido? You still haven't explained how Kinemon and Kiku can do it, but Zoro post TS could not, when he unlocked Ryuo early pre TS and had 2 years to hone that ability with the world's most powerful swordsman himself.

 

[HA001]

So you have a panel stating Zoro needed Enma to cut Kaido? He said he would need to release more of Enma's power, but he didn't even use Haki at all before making that statement. Meaning, Zoro was strongly holding back with Enma for Enma not to draw out too much Haki.

But then again, how is that proof pre Enma Zoro can't cut Kaido? You still haven't explained how Kinemon and Kiku can do it, but Zoro post TS could not, when he unlocked Ryuo early pre TS and had 2 years to hone that ability with the world's most powerful swordsman himself.

To Lbino @Albino 👑 and all the other negative iq troglodytes

If enma exudes it's weilders ryou ie flows their haki out by itself

And you say zoro doesn't know ryou and can't cut kaido without enma

How did zoro flow his haki back in his arm ? When flowing haki is the concept of ryou

 

[comrade]

To Lbino @Albino 👑 and all the other negative iq troglodytes

If enma exudes it's weilders ryou ie flows their haki out by itself

And you say zoro doesn't know ryou and can't cut kaido without enma

How did zoro flow his haki back in his arm ? When flowing haki is the concept of ryou

They make it sound like Enma is a magic sword. It's still a O Wazamono. Maybe exceptional for its rank, but still in the same rank as Shusui and Wado. And it's not the only sword with a powerful soul. Tengu said that the Kitetsu lineage is similar as they cannot be wielded by the weak.

It is Zoro's power that tames Enma, it is Zoro's Ryuo used by Enma, just in mor excessive amounts if Zoro doesn't restrain himself.

And unless someone thinks that Kinemon and Kiku > Zoro after training 2 years with the WSS and honing his Ryuo, after already unlocking it pre TS which indicates a strong affinity and talent in the first place, I don't know what we are debating here? @Albino 👑 are you saying that 2 years training with the WSS left Zoro lacking behind Kinemon..? That dude copied Kinemon's fox fire style just after witnessing it; that's the level of talent Zoro has. Yet as someone who has unlocked Ryuo pre TS and training with the WSS for 2 years, won't achieve what Kinemon can?

 

[Finalbeta]

I think he acknowledged some of his potential but he wasn't capable to probably scar him due to obvious reasons and that version of Zoro was weaker than the Current one

 

[Albino 👑]

If its enma doing it not zoro who your opinion doesn't know how to use ryou. How did zoro get his haki back the first time he used enma ?

like what? He's literally just overflowing his haki more than usual - he can do that with any of his swords

So you have a panel stating Zoro needed Enma to cut Kaido? He said he would need to release more of Enma's power, but he didn't even use Haki at all before making that statement. Meaning, Zoro was strongly holding back with Enma for Enma not to draw out too much Haki.

But then again, how is that proof pre Enma Zoro can't cut Kaido? You still haven't explained how Kinemon and Kiku can do it, but Zoro post TS could not, when he unlocked Ryuo early pre TS and had 2 years to hone that ability with the world's most powerful swordsman himself.

1. Zoro first gets enma with it trying to suck out all of his haki
2. Zoro stops it from doing so stating how much stronger he'll get when hes used to it
3. Zoro trains with enma before the raid
4. Zoro is freely capable of using his haki after the training without enma reacting negatively. Even using it against sanji in a joke
5. Zoro is in onigashima fighting hella people still no problem
6. Zoro fights apoo with drake using haki attacks against him multiple times. With his swords even being black
7. Zoro sees luffy hurt kaido with the haki he was training. Likely meaning zoro was given at least some information by someone about either kaido or why luffy was specifically training his armament
8. Zoro goes up to the roof and uses onigiri on kaido with the attack not cutting stating he needs to use more of enma specifically
   • Not more of wado
   • Not more of sandai
   • Not just he needs to start using haki because he forgot
9. Zoro uses haki on enma to block an air slash. Showing hes perfectly capable of using haki and enma again
10. Zoro tries to use flying dragon blaze this time enma being surrounded by a deep dark aura
    • Linlin calls out the sword for being special
    • Kaido calls it out for how weird it is that it bears the presence of oden in it
11. Zoro uses tatsumaki with haki and again enma is surrounded by a dark aura. This time it actually landing
    • Kaido calls out the sword again for being the source of the strange haki
    • Kaido says it must be odens after it cut him
    • The same dark aura didn't appear when he used the same attack against king. With the latter one being noticable smaller
12. Zoro for his last stand against kaido puts in all the haki he can into enma with aura again. Trying to finish him off with his strongest attack asura. Finally being able to scar kaido
13. Zoro goes back down to the main floor and as soon as he starts fighting king he starts using haki and enma perfectly fine
14. Zoro uses tatsumaki again no aura around enms and its smaller
15. Either after hearing hiyori music and/or zoro getting his shit kicked in enma starts to test zoro. Doing the same thing it did when zoro first held it but this time doing it on and off + not stopping when zoro tries to stop it
16. Zoro realizes what enma is doing and lets it take as much haki as it wants. Leading zoro to unlock king of hell aka enma mode
    • Stating how oden was able to casually do so
    • Stating if he kept it up for too long enma specifically as in the sword will kill him
    • King of hell being the nickname kozaburo gave enma
17. Zoro stats again that he cant use koh mode long because enma the sword the thing he named the mode after will kill him. Again if he used it too long enma could kill him
    • Not wado
    • Not sandai
    • Not zoro doing it to himself
    • Enma the sword

 

[comrade]

@Albino 👑 your point? Are you stating that post TS Shusui Zoro cannot cut Kaido while Kinemon and Kiku can? I need an explicit answer right now. Zoro, who has a strong Ryuo affinity, as proven when he used it in the early pre TS and had 2 years with the WSS to hone that ability, cannot accomplish what Kinemon and Kiku can?

 

[Albino 👑]

@Albino 👑 your point? Are you stating that post TS Shusui Zoro cannot cut Kaido while Kinemon and Kiku can? I need an explicit answer right now. Zoro, who has a strong Ryuo affinity, as proven when he used it in the early pre TS and had 2 years with the WSS to hone that ability, cannot accomplish what Kinemon and Kiku can?

He needed enma to do so no
Zoro before he got enma couldn't cut kaido
Zoro explicitly said he needed to use that specific sword more after he failed to cut kaido

After being able to perfectly use haki ever since he got to onigashima and after seeing how luffy hurt kaido and after being told about luffy needing to train his armament in order to hurt kaido

 

[Franosuke]

Not yet

 

[Shishi]

• Not wado
• Not sandai
• Not zoro doing it to himself
• Enma the sword

Are you slow?

Enma's unique property is that it FORCEFULLY exudes the wielder's ryuo when unrestrained. Doesn't change the fact that zoro can equally apply adv CoC and his KoH ryuo on all his swords

 

[comrade]

He needed enma to do so no
Zoro before he got enma couldn't cut kaido
Zoro explicitly said he needed to use that specific sword more after he failed to cut kaido

After being able to perfectly use haki ever since he got to onigashima and after seeing how luffy hurt kaido and after being told about luffy needing to train his armament in order to hurt kaido

We know that Enma's Ryuo absorbing ability affects other swords too, hence in King of Hell, all 3 of Zoro's swords were coated in the process, and hence it was said that Enma was the only blade to scar Kaido despite Oden using both swords.

So restraining his Ryuo for Enma meant he was restraining his Ryuo overall for all blades.

There is no other way around it; Zoro is a confirmed Ryuo user and does so at high level. Shusui Zoro will cut Kaido.

 

[Albino 👑]

Are you slow?

Enma's unique property is that it FORCEFULLY exudes the wielder's ryuo when unrestrained. Doesn't change the fact that zoro can equally apply adv CoC and his KoH ryuo on all his swords

Even when zoro used haki on all swords during tatsumaki only enma was able to cut

We know that Enma's Ryuo absorbing ability affects other swords too, hence in King of Hell, all 3 of Zoro's swords were coated in the process, and hence it was said that Enma was the only blade to scar Kaido despite Oden using both swords.

So restraining his Ryuo for Enma meant he was restraining his Ryuo overall for all blades.

There is no other way around it; Zoro is a confirmed Ryuo user and does so at high level. Shusui Zoro will cut Kaido.

Zoro could use haki on all his swords since the start of onigashima completely fine
Still failed to cut know until he used enma more

 

[Blother Fertitta]

you are free to translate the prev page
I interpreted the last
that will be enough for you --> TLDR TIME TO BOUNCE .


zoro in 4 attempts still wouldnt win as I have previously stated
he went down and found his level in king
you make a deal of luffy getting sent down but oddly enough he is the only one kaido recognized could go toe to toe with him from the onset of the battle alongside people like oden so really I couldnt care less.

Ok but... what is current zoro doing to kaido if they meet

 

[Albino 👑]

Zoro vs apoo

Zoro seeing luffy hurt kaido

 

[Shishi]

Zoro vs apoo

Zoro seeing luffy hurt kaido

Yes, luffy has ID while zoro does not. What’s your point

 

[HA001]

Even when zoro used haki on all swords during tatsumaki only enma was able to cut

Zoro could use haki on all his swords since the start of onigashima completely fine
Still failed to cut know until he used enma more

BECAUSE HE USED NO HAKI IN THAT ONIGIRI ON ANY SWORD

1. Zoro first gets enma with it trying to suck out all of his haki
2. Zoro stops it from doing so stating how much stronger he'll get when hes used to it
3. Zoro trains with enma before the raid
4. Zoro is freely capable of using his haki after the training without enma reacting negatively. Even using it against sanji in a joke
5. Zoro is in onigashima fighting hella people still no problem
6. Zoro fights apoo with drake using haki attacks against him multiple times. With his swords even being black
7. Zoro sees luffy hurt kaido with the haki he was training. Likely meaning zoro was given at least some information by someone about either kaido or why luffy was specifically training his armament
8. Zoro goes up to the roof and uses onigiri on kaido with the attack not cutting stating he needs to use more of enma specifically
   • Not more of wado
   • Not more of sandai
   • Not just he needs to start using haki because he forgot
9. Zoro uses haki on enma to block an air slash. Showing hes perfectly capable of using haki and enma again
10. Zoro tries to use flying dragon blaze this time enma being surrounded by a deep dark aura
    • Linlin calls out the sword for being special
    • Kaido calls it out for how weird it is that it bears the presence of oden in it
11. Zoro uses tatsumaki with haki and again enma is surrounded by a dark aura. This time it actually landing
    • Kaido calls out the sword again for being the source of the strange haki
    • Kaido says it must be odens after it cut him
    • The same dark aura didn't appear when he used the same attack against king. With the latter one being noticable smaller
12. Zoro for his last stand against kaido puts in all the haki he can into enma with aura again. Trying to finish him off with his strongest attack asura. Finally being able to scar kaido
13. Zoro goes back down to the main floor and as soon as he starts fighting king he starts using haki and enma perfectly fine
14. Zoro uses tatsumaki again no aura around enms and its smaller
15. Either after hearing hiyori music and/or zoro getting his shit kicked in enma starts to test zoro. Doing the same thing it did when zoro first held it but this time doing it on and off + not stopping when zoro tries to stop it
16. Zoro realizes what enma is doing and lets it take as much haki as it wants. Leading zoro to unlock king of hell aka enma mode
    • Stating how oden was able to casually do so
    • Stating if he kept it up for too long enma specifically as in the sword will kill him
    • King of hell being the nickname kozaburo gave enma
17. Zoro stats again that he cant use koh mode long because enma the sword the thing he named the mode after will kill him. Again if he used it too long enma could kill him
    • Not wado
    • Not sandai
    • Not zoro doing it to himself
    • Enma the sword

This doesn't even warrant a response

Zoro cannot get his haki back from enma from the first place if he doesn't know ryou

Ryou is flowing haki

You need ryou to cut kaido

So if zoro didn't have ryou as you are saying
He can't flow his haki back.
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BECAUSE HE USED NO HAKI IN THAT ONIGIRI ON ANY SWORD


This doesn't even warrant a response

Zoro cannot get his haki back from enma from the first place if he doesn't know ryou

Ryou is flowing haki

You need ryou to cut kaido

So if zoro didn't have ryou as you are saying
He can't flow his haki back.

And no tatsumaki on kaido is all 3 swords not just enma
Tatsumaki is one clean slice

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All this talk and @Albino 👑 STILL can't show a SINGLE panel that says enma ADDS power to zoro.

 

[Weeman]

After Asura i'd say yes

 

[KiriNigiri]

I don't think Zoro needs to be acknowledged by Kaido. The Monster Samurai statement referred to someone who could/can kill Kaido. It's more poetic if it's another Samurai, the same warriors Kaido has been dishonoring all arc. It's more important for Zoro to finish off Kaido and for us to learn of his origins that tie him to Wano more closely than for Kaido to compliment him. If anything, the people of Wano should recognize Zoro moreso. He started the arc as a wanted criminal, so he should be recognized as a savior if it's suppose to come full circle.

 

[Malio]

Zoro vs apoo

Zoro seeing luffy hurt kaido

Same Apoo that knocked Luffy out

 

[bennbeckman]

He needed enma to do so no
Zoro before he got enma couldn't cut kaido
Zoro explicitly said he needed to use that specific sword more after he failed to cut kaido

After being able to perfectly use haki ever since he got to onigashima and after seeing how luffy hurt kaido and after being told about luffy needing to train his armament in order to hurt kaido

Subjective statement followed by an attempt to be objective

intriguing none the less

 

[Malio]

Don't get why Zoro fans are going back and forth with folks who suffer from low comprehension. The fact is Zoro with Shisui would have done the same thing he did via Enma. With AdCoC + Shisui he's killing Kaido no doubt

• They bring up Kaido mentioning Odens ryuo, which gets debunked by a swordsmith that tells us what Enma does exactly
• They bring up big mom and her shtick about Enma, which literally gets debunked by the guy that made the damn sword to begin with
• They say Zoro doesn't have ryuo pre-enma, but the explanation for how to use ryuo is the same explanation we got vs Daz bones

These people will always stick to their retarded ass takes when it comes to Zoro. Ignore them like you would a crackhead on the road :cheers: