Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I do understand gender and am still one of the few alongside you that actually makes the distinction. Just not my problem that man and woman are based on sex as of now.

And yet you use the term man to designate a trans women and refuse to understand that BOTH dictionnaries definition AND encyclopedic+scientific definition are refuting this usage. So no, you don't understand gender.

And where have i ever talked about meritocracy ?!

Indeed, my bad I took you for another (hard to keep up with everyone here)

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

No bitch, telling you the purpose of language and language being obsolete if we stray from definitions everyone and their mothers are using.

Good try i guess though (jk, was real bad)

No.
Many words actually have opposite meanings, such as love and peace.
To some love = unconditional respect and support
To others love = overbearing possessiveness and stalking
To others love = forcing a particular lifestyle/belief on others "for their own good"

To some people peace = accepting each other's differences and trying to live amicably
To others peace = making everyone bow to you if they don't want to be fought into submission



Hence Christianity is the religion of love, Islam the religion of peace but it's pretty much interchangeable.


And don't get me started on Western Harmony vs East Asian harmony.

 

[Zenos7]

And yet you use the term man to designate a trans women and refuse to understand that BOTH dictionnaries definition AND encyclopedic+scientific definition are refuting this usage. So no, you don't understand gender

Nah, transwomen just are men, i.e. adult human males.

And as i mentioned couple posts ago: if the definition will eventually be the one you are pushing, i will stick to using male/female exclusively.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

do understand gender and am still one of the few alongside you that actually makes the distinction. Just not my problem that man and woman are based on sex as of now.

did you read my link aboit the village with 10 genders tho?

 

[Zenos7]

did you read my link aboit the village with 10 genders tho?

Not yet, only the parts you quoted. Sounded interesting for sure.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Not yet, only the parts you quoted. Sounded interesting for sure.

You'll find a lot of different interpretations of sex and gender throughout different cultures if you look into it without personal bias and agenda. I'm pretty sure tho that our friend ravager didn't read the link.

 

[Logiko]

No.
Many words actually have opposite meanings, such as love and peace.
To some love = unconditional respect and support
To others love = overbearing possessiveness and stalking
To others love = forcing a particular lifestyle/belief on others "for their own good"

To some people peace = accepting each other's differences and trying to live amicably
To others peace = making everyone bow to you if they don't want to be fought into submission



Hence Christianity is the religion of love, Islam the religion of peace but it's pretty much interchangeable.


And don't get me started on Western Harmony vs East Asian harmony.

Plus, they don't understand that their vision of language is a very western vision. They do not consider that words can actually have different meaning in different culture hence why dictionnaries are by essence not the best tools to understand a word.

Nah, transwomen just are men, i.e. adult human males.

And... transphobia.

And as i mentioned couple posts ago: if the definition will eventually be the one you are pushing, i will stick to using male/female exclusively

The definition is ALREADY the one I'm pushing ignorant transphobe.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Plus, they don't understand that their vision of language is a very western vision. They do not consider that words can actually have different meaning in different culture hence why dictionnaries are by essence not the best tools to understand a word.

East vs West bs is a very limiting and generalising way of seeing things tho. There's different interpretations of words within the same cultural context.

 

[Logiko]

East vs West bs is a very limiting and generalising way of seeing things tho. There's different interpretations of words within the same cultural context.

Yes, its actually more complicated than that. I was making a big picture for the sake of understanding but you are right, its more complex.

 

[Zenos7]

You'll find a lot of different interpretations of sex and gender throughout different cultures if you look into it without personal bias and agenda. I'm pretty sure tho that our friend ravager didn't read the link.

Dont care about interpretations of sex. We dont need to pretend like we arent mammals with basic mammalian sexual reproduction consisting of two sexes

 

[Uncle Van]

We should all know by now that logiko isnt into definitions
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Exactly. You bigot
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Bro i tried this before. Your efforts are in vain

You have any idea how often he reports you for transphobia? And all because he can't force you to use his made up definition.

It's also hilarious how he constantly talks about "confusionist", when he deliberately uses his own made up versions for political terms and pretends you're the one who's uneducated and biased.

 

[Logiko]

You have any idea how often he reports you for transphobia? And all because he can't force you to use his made up definition.

It's also hilarious how he constantly talks about "confusionist", when he deliberately uses his own made up versions for political terms and pretends you're the one who's uneducated and biased.

I report transphobia when there is transphobia, no more no less. And he knows when I report him as I always explain that he is being transphobe.

But once again, you are proving that you don't understand what you are talking about and you don't understand what transphobia is or how it impacts people.

But really, its not surprising, its completely logical with your reasonning:
- You think that its your place to tell people in difficulty how to act
- You don't understand what meritocracy is
- You keep using the term "buzzword" when someone is calling out a toxic behavior
- You keep trashing leftists here

So why in the hell would you understand what transphobia is or why it hurts people ?



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A little history of how J.K Rowling is transphobic:

 

[Uncle Van]

Ramblings of someone desperate to appear like a good person. Leading people down on a cycle of self destruction and pushing the status quo, all for the sake of their own image and wanting to feel like a savior. One of the worst kinds of people that civil rights leaders would despise.

 

[Logiko]

Ramblings of someone desperate to appear like a good person.

And we are back to what I said here:

Since the day i've been talking here and reporting people, you act and talk like I'm the one who is trying to label people to try to get the moral high ground. But in reality I'm not the one doing that here ... YOU are.

Because YOU are the one who is trying to be edgy while understanding PERFECTLY the political/historical context and reasons why I'm talking the way I do. YOU (and other mods here) are the one denying cases transphobia when after reading people who are literally explaining that trans women are men you throw me a "buzzword", YOU are the one denying cases of clear toxicity, YOU are the one refusing to open the debate on the repolitization of already political subjects.


You are hidding being your power, your derogatory behavior, your casual ignoring but yet clearly targeted sarcasm to appear like you know everything about politics.. when in reality what you have is the surface level.

Your historical and economical knowledge are without a doubt BETTER than mine. But you miss the most important part :

The political knowledge. Or at least, that's what appears through your words.

- Denying transphobia
- Confusing identity and sexual preferences
- Not understanding why I use certain labels the way I do
- Refusing the politicization of discussions
- Targetting the only leftistS in the room with your words
- Not understanding the notion of meritocracy


Dude.. I'm not the one who has a problem of identity here.

THis Van guys seems to think that people can't fight against toxic behavior because they care. No, they HAVE to be malicious or doing that "just to appear as good"

Such cynicism.. but its not illogical with his entire ideology

Leading people down on a cycle of self destruction and pushing the status quo, all for the sake of their own image and wanting to feel like a savior.

Is this guy seriously saying that I'm pushing the status co here ?



@Bisoromi Bear @Toby D. Dog do you feel like I'm promoting or pushing the status co on this thread or on this forum ?

A woman will and never can be a man. The reverse is also true.

Sigh
Educate yourself mate.

C4N can never be a good person for as long as he continues to peddle this bullshit.

How can I appear good if the majority of people here think that I'm bad because I respect Trans and call out Transphobia ?

You are not really a great at this thinking thing, are you Einstein ?

 

[Roo]

I report transphobia when there is transphobia, no more no less. And he knows when I report him as I always explain that he is being transphobe.

But once again, you are proving that you don't understand what you are talking about and you don't understand what transphobia is or how it impacts people.

But really, its not surprising, its completely logical with your reasonning:
- You think that its your place to tell people in difficulty how to act
- You don't understand what meritocracy is
- You keep using the term "buzzword" when someone is calling out a toxic behavior
- You keep trashing leftists here

So why in the hell would you understand what transphobia is or why it hurts people ?



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A little history of how J.K Rowling is transphobic:

What is transphobia to you

 

[Logiko]

You educated yourself on falsehoods, on lies and made up bullshit.

Are you talking about this type of lie:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8896315/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10642006/

?

You prefer your belief and hate over science mate ?

What is transphobia to you

This for example...

Trans and respect are like oil and water it's un-mixable.

... is transphobia.

Transphobia is a massive subject but it can be defined as two things:

1. The irrationnal fear of Trans people
2. All the actions that can create harm to trans people

So for example, on three different level of gravity:

- Killing a women because she is trans is an act of transphobia because transphobia is the reason for the action
- Funding anti-trans movements like J-K Rowling is doing is an act of transphobia because it promotes the visible violence against Trans
- Saying that Transwomen are men is an act of transphobia because its the promotion of the negation of the identity of trans people.

 

[Uncle Van]

Captialism and right wing media has successfully crushed radical movements over the decades. How? Well for starters, they dominate the news and right wingers in power rely in fear mongering to get people to the polls. News stations are profit driven and brings the profit? Viewership. What brings the viewership? Controversy. Who brings the controversy? Enter morons within the leftist and woke movement. The whole woke message is "You are perfect the way you are. It's society that has to change to accommodate you." This combined with social media, speaks to narcissists who are only there for their own self interest. Dismissing any fault of the left, creating new definitions on the fly, rewriting history, saying obesity is healthy, wannabe saviors...these are the ones getting plastered everywhere creating a narrative. These guys are helping fear monger the people into becoming more conservative and right wing.

Trying to dismiss any fault of the left and sweeping these things under the rug is just one of things right wing media love showcasing. Thanks for helping things become more right wing. Good job👍

 

[Zenos7]

You have any idea how often he reports you for transphobia? And all because he can't force you to use his made up definition.

It's also hilarious how he constantly talks about "confusionist", when he deliberately uses his own made up versions for political terms and pretends you're the one who's uneducated and biased.

Lmao.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

 

[Logiko]

Captialism and right wing media has successfully crushed radical movements over the decades. How? Well for starters, they dominate the news and right wingers in power rely in fear mongering to get people to the polls. News stations are profit driven and brings the profit? Viewership. What brings the viewership? Controversy. Who brings the controversy? Enter morons within the leftist and woke movement

Damn.. That's really too, bad. All you post was perfect and SPOT ON about the problem but you HAD to add the final line and make people who say "you are perfect the way you are" responsible of the controversy surrounding woke. Thus COMPLETELY IGNORING that those who actually create this controversy, are right winger and apolitical/liberal confusionnist like you.

You remind me of those ignorant people explaining that women denouncing men are responsible for the hate of men in society, but not at all understanding that men are actually the problem because they abuse women.

You are literally shifting the blame of the source of the problem, not on those who create those controversy in the first place, no no no, on those who fight this toxicity and try to create positivity !

YOU are the F. problem mate

- Not Trans people
- Not fat people
- Not me
- Not people who are actually accepting people for who they are

YOU and rightist people with this fallacious rethoric.

So...

Yes, society HAS to change, because right now:

- Society is systematically racist - https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adj7675
- Society is transphobic - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10171731/
- Society is Patriarcal - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038038589023002004
- Society is fatphobic - https://www.cairn-int.info/journal-...ontre-les-discriminations-2022-1-page-131.htm
- Society is heteronormative - https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/heteronormativity
- Society is Ableist - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9224372/
- And society is entierely meritocratic.. but I won't insult you by giving you a study to prove this claim.

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