Break Week Oda won't let Zoro/Sanji fight and beat a Conqueror

#22
well yamato want to leave onigashima and going out to sea, but its quite debunked with some "oden" fanatism.
the only possibility of she having a CoC is because she is Kaido's daughter

Meanwhile, what hint of King having CoC?
In charge of the Beast pirates while Kaido is on the roof.
Katakuri type of guy,that's mainly why I think he may have it combined with Kaido's line which seems to imply he already got Coc users in his crew.
 

Finalbeta

Law Nerd
#25
Why is he going to fight Kaido then ? When i say fight..being the most relevant character outside of Luffy

Why is Oda teasing Zoro having coc ?

Ur gonna cry soon
If he is fighting Kaido and other novas eventually aren't there has to be a reason, just like the reason why Oda makes him state those words after bestowing Enma upon him and making him undergo the training. It definitely can't all be coincidence. Way more elements than with Luffy are present here. It's too much to dismiss that this is Zoro's fight.
 
#27
It's still up for debate whether Zoro has Conqueror's Haki or not. Rayleigh has it too and the right hand man of the new PK will be above the right hand man of the old PK, it's logical. He's also going to surpass Oden, as stated by Tengu who is sure that Zoro will turn Enma black. Something Oden failed to do. Zoro will be far above Katakuri, who is also a conqueror. Katakuri is the first mate of a mere Yonko, while Zoro will be the partner of the new PK who beats the Yonko and overthrows the WG.

If Zoro happens to have conqueror's Haki, how will you reevaluate your power levels, Noodle-san?
 
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Jo_Ndule

#28
It's still up for debate whether Zoro has Conqueror's Haki or not. Rayleigh has it too and the right hand man of the new PK will be above the right hand man of the old PK, it's logical. He's also going to surpass Oden, as stated by Tengu who is sure that Zoro will turn Enma black. Something Oden failed to do. Zoro will be far above Katakuri, who is also a conqueror. Katakuri is the first mate of a mere Yonko, while Zoro will be the partner of the new PK who beats the Yonko and overthrows the WG.

If Zoro happens to have conqueror's Haki, how will you reevaluate your power levels, Noodle-san?
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Tengu never said zoro would surpass Oden anyway.
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King doesnt have CoC.
Nothing about him hints at it

Same with Marco.
 

Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
#31
For swordsmen, a black blade is the benchmark for power. Oden is a swordsman as "pure" as Zoro and Mihawk. No DF, no punching and kicking, just pure swordsmanship. Even a style named after him - Oden Nitoryu.

Tengu saying Enma has yet to become black means, black blade user > Oden.
Lol ofc.

Imagine thinking that commander level Oden > Mihawk.

LMAO.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#32
For swordsmen, a black blade is the benchmark for power. Oden is a swordsman as "pure" as Zoro and Mihawk. No DF, no punching and kicking, just pure swordsmanship. Even a style named after him - Oden Nitoryu.

Tengu saying Enma has yet to become black means, black blade user > Oden.
Yet Mihawk isn't above young shanks
Yet Mihawk isn't above Roger, Ray, Etc...

Making or having black blade isn't a statement that u surpassed someone overall.

Zoro isn't Rayleigh. Oda gave Luffy both Sanji and Zoro for this reason
Imagine Rayleigh would have lower bounty than Scopper or x in the crew except Roger.
Imagine Rayleigh would beg his enemies to train him
Imagine Rayleigh can't even round up people /have people follow him behind for his charisma even when he boast to Roger.

Yeah Conqueror
 
#33
Yet Mihawk isn't above young shanks
Yet Mihawk isn't above Roger, Ray, Etc...

Making or having black blade isn't a statement that u surpassed someone overall.

Zoro isn't Rayleigh. Oda gave Luffy both Sanji and Zoro for this reason
Imagine Rayleigh would have lower bounty than Scopper or x in the crew except Roger.
Imagine Rayleigh would beg his enemies to train him
Imagine Rayleigh can't even round up people /have people follow him behind for his charisma even when he boast to Roger.

Yeah Conqueror
Databook says Mihawk waits for someone who is, stronger than Shanks. Even willing to train said someone by himself.

Sanji received a higher bounty for gag reasons. You are aware that Sanji a bounty raises were only due to association right? He did nothing in Dressrosa and received + 100 million. In WCI (where Zoro wasn't present) he got + 153 million due to his daddy's name.

Zoro bowed down to Mihawk in order to be a good partner for Luffy. Luffy bowed down to Hancock to have her subordinates turned back. Both willing to bow down for the sake of others.

Plus several supernova wondered how a beast like Zoro isn't the captain.
 

Shisui

Never Feed The Badders Pasta
#34
If zoro was in WCI, he would have fought Cracker/Smoothie but not Kata , the same way he fought Pica not Doffy... he didnt even fight Doffy's YC1 , Vergo!
In wano, he wouldn't fight and beat King or Queen if they happen to have CoC.

Zoro would fight the swordmen/sword user who are usually a tier/2 tiers below the conqueror that Luffy fights.
Sanji gets to fight people slightly below Zoro's opponents or equal.

NW versions:
Along: Hody
Buggy :Caesar..."clowns"
Crocodile : Doffy...no need to explain
Lucci + Enel : Katakuri (being logialike with Great CoO and maching luffy gears.)
Oars + WB : Kaido ...WS hype and have oars looks too
Moriah + WB : Linlin ... should I explain?
Kaku : Queen
King : Jabra
BM : Khalifa
Kaku = Queen
King = Jabra......HOW SWAY??
 
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Jo_Ndule

#35
Databook says Mihawk waits for someone who is, stronger than Shanks. Even willing to train said someone by himself.

Sanji received a higher bounty for gag reasons. You are aware that Sanji a bounty raises were only due to association right? He did nothing in Dressrosa and received + 100 million. In WCI (where Zoro wasn't present) he got + 153 million due to his daddy's name.

Zoro bowed down to Mihawk in order to be a good partner for Luffy. Luffy bowed down to Hancock to have her subordinates turned back. Both willing to bow down for the sake of others.

Plus several supernova wondered how a beast like Zoro isn't the captain.
Doesn't matter
At no point Rayleigh or Katakuri will be overshadowed in an arc/in bounty by someone beneath them.
Nobody rivaled/overshadowed Ray in the crew except when oden joined for a year

While sanji rivals Zoro in bounty and Power...
Luffy didn't bow to Hancock to train him...he wanted to save Ace .
Zoro bowed to the man he wants to beat and surpass.

Freaking Ussop got better spotlight at DR than Zoro
Yes... Conqueror Zoro.

Everybody look up to Ray/Oden/Kata... nobody can challenge them strength and fame wise in the crrw
While Zoro is LOl
 
#37
Databook says Mihawk waits for someone who is, stronger than Shanks. Even willing to train said someone by himself.

Sanji received a higher bounty for gag reasons. You are aware that Sanji a bounty raises were only due to association right? He did nothing in Dressrosa and received + 100 million. In WCI (where Zoro wasn't present) he got + 153 million due to his daddy's name.

Zoro bowed down to Mihawk in order to be a good partner for Luffy. Luffy bowed down to Hancock to have her subordinates turned back. Both willing to bow down for the sake of others.

Plus several supernova wondered how a beast like Zoro isn't the captain.
One thing you are missing however is that Zoro does not give “strong” Rayleigh vibes. He definitely has some parallels with the character, but not all of it matches. Rayleigh is intelligent and had the charisma of a leader. Zoro, on the contrary, is not a leader himself. He is a conqueror, a perfect soldier, makes others follow him in battles but not as a captain/leader. Sanji parallels Rayleigh in terms of intelligence and leader charisma. Plus, Rayleigh is also a womanizer :D
I think Sanji and Zoro, in total, make up Rayleigh and I expect it to be the same for Scopper too. If anything, I thought that Scopper was more similar to Zoro in terms of personality from Oden flashbacks (while Sanji is bit more similar to Rayleigh in terms of personality) and he was the only non-introduced Roger pirate that was given plenty of dialogues and screen time in the flashback, which is a sign that he is going to appear or have a role in the series.
 
#40
If zoro was in WCI, he would have fought Cracker/Smoothie but not Kata , the same way he fought Pica not Doffy... he didnt even fight Doffy's YC1 , Vergo!

Zoro would fight the swordmen/sword user who are usually a tier/2 tiers below the conqueror that Luffy fights.
Sanji gets to fight people slightly below Zoro's opponents or equal.

NW versions:
Along: Hody
Buggy :Caesar..."clowns"
Crocodile : Doffy...no need to explain
Lucci + Enel : Katakuri (being logialike with Great CoO and maching luffy gears.)
Oars + WB : Kaido ...WS hype and have oars looks too
Moriah + WB : Linlin ... should I explain?
Kaku : Queen
King : Jabra
BM : Khalifa
...

Doffy >> Vergo > Pica.
Doffy >= Hancock > rest of orginal warlords except Mihawk maybe.
Kata >> Smoothie >= Cracker / King>=Queen /Marco =Jozu
Kaido >> King >= Queen
Teach >> Shiryu

We know Doffy is viewed around Cracker by Linlin while he is clearly above Jozu.
But where does Marco/King/Queen with doffy?

Will zoro and Sanji surpass Doffy then commander version of Kata?
most likely when they beat King and Queen , they will be around/above doffy then when they beat Shiryu who might be inbetweener and Burgess , Zoro will be inbetweener /low top while sanji will be Top high tier

Surpassing Conquerors is Luffy's job during an arc/a saga
Zoro and Sanji won't have such privilege until EoS/End of yonko saga where they will be shown clearly above Doffy and Commander Kata.
None of them is gonna surpass Yonko except Luffy.

They just can't beat Doffy yet... unless you believe Wano zoro and sanji AP > Law gk + g4 attacks
They surely can't Hurt or beat Kata yet... none of them can beat even base kata coz they lack the attack speed and CoO + AP.

Zoro and Sanji are not gonna close the gap coz they will be struggling with people twice weaker/a tier below Luffy's opponents.

Stay Salty or Be sane
vergo wasn't doffy's 1st commander he was said to be most trusted executive like jack and kaido

its like Doffy >> Pica >~ Vergo.

let me correct you Marco >~< King>~< Kata> Jozu > Queen > jack > F6 >~ Smoothie >~ Cracker
 
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