1) You never said why my defense in particular singled me out. What's so different in what Ratchet and Gram are saying today compared to yesterday? Point this out or quote me on this. And yes, you should make a case for every defense of a player's that may have pinged you because it's quite frankly dumb with the amount of posts Ratchet and Gram have made on Muugen's matter to not focus on it. But go ahead and tell me what exactly pinged my defense.
I actually did adress this in our original back and forth
But to quickly summarize why I singled you out, it was simply because the defense you made of Muugen simply felt very weird to me, and yes I know you just made the argument that if I can make a read based on a feeling so can you, but hear me out here.
How do you suggest we figure that out?
The best way to figure out is to see a flip, mechanical results can be tempered with, so they're not exactly 100% to be trusted either
This is really what started my doubt of you lind, because I was working on the assumption that mechanical results would not be reliable when Muugen was under such heavy fire, that if he was being investigated I was certain it wouldn't be trusted.
This is also mainly why I felt like you trying to have him shot came off as very peculiar to me.
Well, hiding in plain sight can be a super effective strategy.
Remember the Garo game?
I'm sure you do, nobody forgets the Garo game
I am a firm believer that hiding in plain sight is just a good strategy as any, and writing people off for the sole reason that they seem "too obvious" just doesn't do it for me.
Don't you think IF, and I say IF, he's innocent that scum wouldn't frame him at this point?
I'm sorry but lind, what you're saying isn't making sense to me
You can see clearly that I don't sus you for no reason at all, I didn't come out of nowhere claiming you were scum, far from it, I even humored your scenario;
Ok so, Lind, let me humor you for a little bit.
Let's assume MUUGEN is indeed innocent in this situation and he has been voted up unbeknownst to him the mafia to frame him intentionally, wouldn't you think that they would have some sort of follow-up for it?
Don't you think they would've considered the possibility that there are people like you who would want to clear it up mechanically?
This is assuming he is indeed Innocent.
There's also the possiblity he might be a scum who scans innocent on scans, for example the GF.
What I'm basically saying is that, one way or another it's way too delicate of a position to be in to be simply cleared mechanically, especially when you can't 100% trust the results..
And I know we discussed this in our back and forth, so I will adress it again for clarity.
While I yes, had no proof that Muugen was neither town nor mafia or indie for that matter, I was working under the assumption that Mafia would benefit from framing Muugen if they had any sort of framing ability.
This is the scenario I was working off of, and I made myself pretty clear on that.
Lind, this reply sounds a lot to me that Muugen is bulletproof
Scumreading you is the last thing I want to do on this earth, but you're making it very hard for me rn..
Why couldn't you just be there for me and see DIO's world unfold before your eyes?
Ahh.. how sad, I will save you from this cursed world, Lind..
Why do you insist on shooting him instead of hanging him?
This is the point where the red alerts start piling up for me and is what snowballed our back and forth.
You going for TAC doesn't have to be NAI. You can claim it to be, which I even supported last day phase by calling back to your previous games, but I'm beginning to doubt it.
Made myself obvious town, yes, I have. You're the one on the road of making serious mistakes Mango.
Well if I'm wrong about you then I really do apologize, but as it stands I am just very suspicious of you.
Not to mention the "I have 100% accurate information that Zem tanked a superkill" just for Muugen to allegedly superkill her in the DP, that whole play (as in theatrical play) was also quite interesting to say the least.
Like what am I to make of that?
But anyway, yeah, I don't blame you for scrutinizing me for what I did. I am more than aware of my actions, but repenting for it will still do nothing, so I doubled down.
5) You're not showing me this. If you are confirmed town then I'll welcome it. But so far, you're just not showing it to me. Your arguments on my posts tells me that you're just ascribing a highly skewed perspective that I still don't know how you came to. Especially the bullet-proof argument.
As for this last line, I may have used words that came across the wrong way in my posts to you. I respect you as a player and a person no matter what you may think of yourself or me. So I'm sorry for any feelings hurt, Mango.
Seems we're just suspicious of one another, which is fine - I believe I've adressed most things you've accused me of now, but if you still want to dance then sure let's go at it.
I'll just say that even if I find you highly suspicious, I still believe Muugen needs to go first.
The order of which we're doing this can be discussed, and there may yet be time for revelations that make you look better, but can you riddle me this;
Why on earth is
@Ekkologix so dead certain you're town?
and likewise, why are you so dead certain Ekko is town?
Is it mechanical or no?