Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1015 Spoilers Discussion

[Rulo D.Oro]

Oda just ruined Sanji. He could've gave us the best Sanji fight ever. I dont consider him a monster trio member from now on. If he fight Queen and Perospero at the same time then maybe but nah

 

[Doggo]

Imagine not finding Sanji taking on a YC2 to be hype.
Only in this fandom.

To be fair.
Sanji was already on the Live Floor.
Removing him, making him run around in circles, only to bring him back and go for the easy route in fighting Queen because he talked about Judge is underwhelming.
Sanji vs Queen is not bad.
But the stalling we had to endure in order to get here gives zero feelings of accomplishment.
That's the problem.

 

[OneZoro]

Yeah sanji is trash too...roronoa and vinsmoke are trash

 

[Peroroncino]

We zorobois have been drowning in Ws and Oda just keeps giving us more.

 

[Zowo]

Oda just ruined Sanji. He could've gave us the best Sanji fight ever. I dont consider him a monster trio member from now on. If he fight Queen and Perospero at the same time then maybe but nah

but but sanji vs king it was just hte new sanji vs katakuri

 

[Rayleigh-Sama]

looks like I was the only one right about the matchups

Spoiler

Because I wrote every possible scenario and reasoning behind it, and thanks to myself because I wasnt pushing any agenda

 

[Lion of Olympus]

Imagine not finding Sanji taking on a YC2 to be hype.
Only in this fandom.

I would if the YC2 he were fighting was actually a competent. Queen has done nothing but take Ls...the dude got slammed and slapped by fucking Chopper

 

[Cinera]

Guys, realize that these fights are for the worst generation, not the old generation, and it becomes far easier to understand why Marco probably isn't fighting King until the end. That fight literally does nothing for the reader. Marco is not a main character, he showed up 30 chapters ago. King is one of the main villains this arc. It virtually makes no sense to have Marco defeat someone like him.

And before people claim "but Kyros vs Diamante", Kyros was a main character in Dressrosa with a full flashback set to have revenge in Diamante. I'd sooner believe Inu will defeat Jack than Marco defeating King for this exact reason

Quoting myself from a convo:

Do you get the feeling that King is underdeveloped/underutilised as a character? At least compared to his fellow Calamities?

Jack was the main antagonist of Zou.
Queen was a main/secondary antagonist in Udon and even on Onigashima itself, he's had a larger presence than King.

King has shown himself to be competent, and proactive in dealing with problems on the Beast Pirates side. He took charge of the situation with Yamato and again during Onigashima when the raid was discovered. He was also proactive in taking out Momonosuke and dealing with Sanji.

Despite all of this, it feels like he's had noticeably less panel time than Queen.

The Live Floor and game with the antidotes was orchestrated by Queen and featured Queen as the main antagonist.

Then we had Chopper vs Queen (which continued this chapter).

Even when the Live Floor was shown, we only got Chopper vs Queen and a shot of Marco, but King was nowhere to be found.

I feel like especially compared to Queen, King hasn't had the kind of prominence/focus/development you'd expect of an M3's main fight. I'm wondering if maybe he's not meant to be an opponent for the Strawhats after all.

I feel like even Ulti has been fleshed out/characterised better (and she's only Nami's opponent).


A major caveat would be that even if Zoro fights King, he wouldn't be Zoro's main opponent. All of Zoro's narrative is with Kaido, and King would just be a sideshow, so King doesn't need to be as prominent as Queen as been to work as an opponent for Zoro. King vs Zoro wouldn't be Zoro's highlight for the arc.

King doesn't give me the impression that he's meant to be the main opponent of one of the Monster Trio. Especially not when you compare him to Queen (who is). Now I don't think King can be Zoro's main opponent, so this doesn't debunk Zoro vs King (King can be used for Zoro to practice Haoshoku cladding or as a hypetool before Zoro's second confrontation with Kaido).

But as far as I'm aware, you, @ImmaIvanoM, @Weeman, @Celestial D. Dragon and others believe King to be Zoro's main fight this arc?

I think that as he is King is way too underdeveloped to be the main fight for an M3 member. All we know about him:

• He's strong
• He's competent
• He comes from a rare race

What is his personality? What are his habits? What are his hobbies? He hardly feels like a person the way Queen does.

I think King's superficial development is perfect for an opponent like Marco, so I can see it working out.

Again, the caveat of him being a sideshow if he fights Zoro might explain why he's so relatively underdeveloped.

 

[KINGKONGGUN15]

ass pulled RS gonna pull up soon

a suit that his entire family uses and he got in the last arc is now suddenly an asspull. yall are running out of complaints tbh

 

[nik87]

@nik87 what did i freaking tell you. Ussop, Nami and Chopper fans really taught they could beat a flying 6 fairly or that chopper could beat a freaking Commander. Smh USE COMMON SENSE

Hold your horses. If there is no massive blood coming from Queen, Chopper's slap looks better.
As if Sanji's firepower was so good to significantly damage a tank like Queen... He needs miracles to keep him down.

 

[Rivaille]

difference is even in that ancient post there's a lot of truth in it and also close calls

and I didn't criticize Zolo fans for expecting him to fight the Shogun even tho it was a dumb prediction, I said it was their first L, then they took even more Ls after, and they're taking them even now, but they act like they never took Ls and only Sanji fans have been predicting the story wrong

You do realize that you are doing the same thing? Or do you not have any self awareness?

As i said, you are not so different.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Some of y’all are really playing up the surprise factor as if this wasn’t written in the fucking stars the second two characters named “King” and “Queen” were introduced

 

[Julius]

Having Sanji basically disappear for 20+ chapters only for him to fight trash ass, garbage, L taker Queen...

King and Queen are side by side on incompetence, but thats because they knew Kaido would win
Queen is more competent than King
Change my mind

 

[m0nst3Rx]

Don’t worry guys, I learned my lesson. I was stupid to think that Oda having Sanji running around doing nothing 20+ chapters would be anything more than him dragging the plot. All of that just for Sanji to fight Queen....

Looks like Sanji is just a shitty cook after all...

dont worry brother. sanji will defeat queen EXT Diff if he gets help

Anyway You can expect More than that from a Cheif ​

 

[BBsZehahaInTheNewWorld]

WHERE IS LORD SMOOTHIE IN THE POLL

 

[gamaran]

sanji vs 1.3b man still hype tough
queen all rounder guns swords lasers and who knows what weapons he has left to show + poison

For real the fight is sick but i had to fight for sanji vs king till the end

 

[Courier]

It's happening . Sanji vs king queen and perospero !!!!

 

[Shisui]

nah its really matter if people mistook zoro as that weak ass condom who getting KO one by one meanhwile The grandmaster didnt even got KO by Kaido + Big Meme​

Don't you ever get fed up of spewing the same crap

 

[Fn Lucci]

It's definitely sabo or the revos

If I'm not giving a bullshit answer I think it's just as likely to be grand fleet or Marines. Any huge ally kind of undermines Luffy and the revolutionary army in particular has their own shit to sort

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Aside from the obvious Sanji vs King trolling that's gonna follow because of some Sanji fans' over-confidence in the matchup, Queen is a very capable combatant himself who was powerful enough to knock the memories out of fucking Big Mom. It's gonna be a good fucking fight nonetheless. I didn't think earlier that it would be a very good fight from a visual PoV but may Oda prove me wrong.

I don't think people actually see Queen as weak just that well Sanji fans ignored him for King all the time.