Good morning
Now let's back to business
I went back to go through second day - the day rayan got lynched (keep in mind that TAC was killed on N1l.
Before I go into detail I want to make few things clear - my reads are based on timing of sus raised on rayan and what type of sus was rasied on Rayan.
I will give brief summary related to Rayan and will present my reads.
The day started with nat initially raising a bit doubt on rayan. It was followed by sera raising doubt on rayan and jew but he was more inclined towards jew.
This is nat post she made initially. Not much tbh. No need to quote sera post.
I want to look at
@RayanOO more closely today.
Rayan responded with giving diplomat reads on jew.
Yeah but changing vote last second is really too much for a real scum. I don't think a scum would take that risk. But yeah once again Jew made a weird move.
To be fair even if I don't put you at 100% scum and maybe town you did some shady things yesterday
Then Drago came up and made an interestingly points about melon - point was that out of rayan, cobra, Marimo and zara melon interacted with Only zara. Why this point is important? Well keep reading and you will understand.
Rayan, Cobra, Marimo, Zara and Don Da. I think from these guys, Zara was the only one you interacted with and were questioning, but even then, it was hard to say whether you had a definitive scum read on him.
So why is that Gambit was the only here you targeted for not scum hunting when you got these other guys too? I would like to point out that Gambit was a general suspicion by quite a few people at that the time that you announced your suspicion and vote on him. My point here basically is, I don't think your scum read on Gambit is a real one. But just a sheep vote.
Then jew raised a bit sus on rayan saying that he is playing more like sk.
Rayan definitely leapt to vote for Zara after I did yesterday, then kinda backed off. Seems like he’s shown up a bit today, but hasn’t said much of substance. That’s exactly how he was when he was the SK a while back, so I’m not clearing him yet.
Then nat tagged rayan asking his opinion
Then melon came and she started arguing with Marimo and later put a vote on him.
Now, Marimo is the one of the people who melon didn't interact which drago pointed out.
How would you expect the doctor role to work then?
Why do you think it's not as scummy as what other people have said? I have read everything up to now and I haven't seen your reasoning for this. At the time, Jew confusing SK for jester was not known.
His reason for his suspicion on me was that I wasn't actively scum hunting this game compared to the last. Reborn also commented on this, so did Nat, so it was definitely not for no reason. I explained this didn't deviate from the d1 I had last game, and there was a lack of material for me to start painting a picture of the game, even less so than last game's d1.
On whomst are your reads, and would you be so kind as to share them Drago senpai? :cheers:
Drag, what do you think of Nat's initial reason to lynch Gambit?
You won't even let him defend himself? Even after you so boldy "fell for the set up" Gambit has been talking about? Sounds like you're leaning on your hunch now more than fax
please explain to me, who has never played with Gambit, why you are acting this way.
@Natalija what do you think of Gambit's post below?
Jew again raised sus on Rayan - well this cements that Jew isn't scum mate of rayan so jew is town
@RayanOO came in for a little bit before slinking back to the peripherals. Still don’t know the former’s meta too well, since it seems like he’s super busy whenever we play, but this falls in line with how the latter has acted as scum/SK. Of the two, Rayan makes me more uneasy.
@Cobra. Where you at? We’d all benefit from you explaining a few things.
Then melon kind of given diplomats read on rayan. Why diplomatic? She argued with Marimo and sussed him but says rayan is latin low but is trying more. I didn't see rayan trying at all.
I forgot to mention, but Rayan is definitely laying low, but he is trying slightly more. We will see what he has to say later in the dayphase
Then melon gives her full reads - i will highlight only rayan, Marimo and cobra part
She favored cobra lynch because cobra isn't doing anything ---> Bad
She gave a very iffy read on rayan
And continue to sus Marimo as if she is sure Marimo is scum. I didn't see her following Marimo case later on at all as if she forgot Marimo even existed.
Cobra
If he turns out good or bad, I think town will benefit from the lynch.
Rayan
He has put a little effort but not enough to convince... Anyone really. Including myself. He falls low in the probable townie list and unless he comes up today with some hard work, he has shown himself to be scummy.
Please say more than just this. "Weird things" is not anything specific. Are you just talking about what he has done or something else?
Dodged this question as far as I have seen. Are you being too careful or are you that confused?
Marimo
I need more from him. He is also low on the town list for me. He likes to talk about mechanics and posts unrelated to solving this game. The only time I have seen contribution from him was when he gave his vote too late. I tried to pick a fight with him, I still am with that lynch. Also my hunch.
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then I
quoted all post of rayan to say why rayan is bad. I know I am town
@RayanOO your initial posts were just fluffs and later on your reads lack substance and irks of being diplomatic.
In above post, you aren't sure about anything. Just commenting on what players are doing.
I haven't seen you giving any concrete reads on anyone till now?
What's holding you back?
You wanted to vote jew or cobra?
But in the first post I quoted you said " jew looks sincere" and I haven't seen you saying anything against Cobra.
So why you felt voting like these two?
Also, instead of voting either of them, you casted vote on zara.
This is inconsistent.
Another diplomatic read from you here.
You say it's too much from jew as scum but still end up commenting that's it's weird move.
I am not liking you at all. This is very diplomatic gameplay from you and are totally being low key about stuffs.
Melon then unvoted and voted cobra because cobra replied in non cooperatives way.
You have to be trolling. There's no fuckin way. I have no patience for this.
F Marimo (in the good way)
unvote
Vote Lynch Cobra @AL sama
Then Drago casted vote on rayan (bitch I will take 50% credit for making that case on rayan lol)
Now, fallen came online and went back to read the thread. He then finalized his reads and put rayan immediately as scum
@RayanOO - Red
- He was inactive in beginning of the game , Though he did give decent answer to the repsonse when asked on his read with the TAC/beta feud but i did see stopped himself from scum leaning any reads . Though i wont discount you did give decent explanation but you stopped short from questioning players .
- Too passive in his play and last minute change to lynch Zara and his weird to explanation is weirdly worded about scum changing votes last minute .
- Few things on positive side is he is aware of the players interaction but there was no decent progress on Cobra/ Jew and he changed his mind . So i expect decent eplanation on his part .
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was immediately followed by fallen casting vote on rayan - Fallen looks town to me and not rayan scum mate
Yes ,
Vote lynch Rayanoo
From my
Drago asked nat to vote rayan along with him.
Well yeah, I only had 2 ppl as red lol.
I like her progression with the reads and the explanation of her Gambit vote. The way she's been playing overall has been very townlike to me.
Hmm. Vote for Rayan with me in that case.
It was after this that Tris and nat voted rayan. Well Tris is new player and she said that she is sussed rayan from day one. I went back to look at her posts on day one and yes she did sus rayan for the same reason she casted vote on him. So, she is consistent and I will also give her benefit of doubt that she isn't playing scummy at all as first time player.
So I lean town on tris
Yeah, that’s sounds like a good reason.
I agree with you on this.
Unvote
And I unvote also because I liked what Jew said about Cobra.
That he joined in really just now. So I will you leave you alone this phase. But I still sus you.
Vote Lynch Rayan @AL sama
I have been sussing Rayan since the beginning because he wasn’t really here and in D1 he just left after things started turning serious and come back at the end.
No.
And it's pointless on his part anyway, since we're lynching Rayan it seems.
vote lynch RayanOO
Now, I doubt tris is scum. My concern with here is the reason she has given - she wanted to Lynch Gambit but she voted rayan because majority is sussing him and wanna lynch him. (I will speak on it further below)
Then rayan gave his reads
Hello evryone I think I answer to everyone who quoted me :
Yes I voted againts Zara even if sussed you and Cobra the most last day.
But Zara behavious with Beta was really really off so I decided to vote againts her. I had a case against you because of your weird answers the fact your beg Reborn for his protection and you did several things during day 1 that were weird. But at the end all those things were too much for a scum play and from your only scum play last time this was not your behaviour.
For Cobra because of his inactivity and his cryptics answers I wanted to vote against him too.
But Zara at the end of the day was def a weird one.
Finalbeta voted against her and her only reaction was to ask him to unvote her because it will be better for her and ally against someone else. She didn't really give answers about that and seemed just to want Beta to unvote her not for Town or anything but for personal reason and just for her. I found that behaviour sus and because I didn't have a real real scum on you and Cobra was my vote if I had no one else I voted against Zara.
About my vote yes it may seem I bandwagonned and tried to lynch her among the others but even before yourself or before Gambit I already talked with Sera about her and how I found her game to be weird. It was like one or two pages before you voted against her.
So it was not really a wagon that I followed I was on her.
@Seraphoenix I think this also answer your question about my vote.
I agree that thoses reads were not top notched but frankly the day one was not at all an open book. There was TAC vs Beta, there was Yo Tan vs Sera and Jew behaviour.
Except giving my opinion that all of that was mostly bullshit and doesn't really scum I couldn't really said other wise. And day 1 I am not used to give full amazing read because the situation is often a mess and difficult to read (at least for me).
I don't think that for a day 1 thoses reads were horrible.
Jew weird things were numerous during day 1 even if he explain himself after (and I didn't voted against him because at the end I thought he was not really scum) : Reborn protection, Zara last minute unvote, and other things.
I answer Jew about the Zara vote it is the first part of my post.
Yeah I didn't have a lot of time to play today.
Once again I didn't really did a last minute changing vote. (see the first answer to Jew here).
I have played with TAC a good number of times
I can agree that my reads were soft but I don't think they were off. I still don't believe Beta was scum because of sussing back and lack of activity early day 1 and your play with Sera while extra weird was not a scum move too for me. About Jew thing I already gave an explanation.
And you know me I am always polite ^^
This was the direct answer I will give you my reads before the countdown.
It's after this nat raised objection on rayan and called his meta off. She also said she would prefer gambit lynch but majority disagrees so she is voting him. I didn't like this reason.
On day one, most were on zara but she continued to vote gambit so why on day two she felt like going with majority? This is inconsistent.
You're coasting too much for my taste. Even when you're busy as townie, you still have an attitude. Like when you wanted me lynched as a cat
Last minute Zara vote didn't help, especially since Zara wasn't your top suspect. And now you're telling me you suspect Jew still, which only scum would hang onto.
I would rather lynch Gambit, but town majority disagrees. If you flip town, alas it's a mislynch, we still love youuu
I've read it but I am iffy on that explanation.
Since I went my own way 20 out of 20 games and lost. An individual vote doesn't matter, it's about persuading town.
I already told you why. And I would gladly vote Gambit but it'll get me nowhere like yesterday
Then rayan started questioning nataljia for putting vote on him. (The two post above were nat response to rayan). Now it could go either way. Rayan was getting Lynched. He deliberately argued with nat to give air that they both are against each other and not scum mate or he tried to deflect his sus on nat.
Then rayan gave his reads and nat said you are sounding diplomatic so she will keep his vote on him.
Tbh, nat really didn't sus rayan until the end.
See, this is a very diplomatic read. It doesn't sound like you're looking for scum. I'm fine with the vote on you.
And if Cobra is scum, we'll deal with him later.
Then even melon jumped and casted vote on rayan by giving iffy reads.
If this is as deep as you'll go this late, then to me it's clear
vote lynch Rayan @AL sama
Now, I gave four players town read (including myself). I don't see them flipping scum at all.
Let's apply process of eliminate on remaining ones
Cobra - I really didn't like how he has played this game. Not at all cooperative and pushing headcannon through out the game. Tbh, I still feel he is playing like rookie townie
Marimo - totally inactive and continue to sus cobra and gambit. I didn't see him do anything this game. I didn't feel his presence. Apart from his inactivity, there isn't much on Marimo. We need more from him. Also, in last game I questioned him for being on sideline and thus being scum. I doubt Marimo will make the same mistake again that too in back to back games.
Nat - well she didn't interact with tac as she usually do on first day and I already highlight her stand on rayan on day two.
But she created fuss yesterday to Lynch beta which kind of give vibe that she is either cop or tracker. I don't see any other reason for her being sure on beta to that extent. So, she gets benefit of doubt as of now.
Melon - well yesterday, I already highlighted that rayan didn't put her into any of her reads and nor commented on her. She is the only such player.(you can check my post on this which is made yesterday to get clear Idea)
And, while reading day two and how she approached rayan case, she stands as my primary sus.
Also, she was building cases but the moment I quoted that rayan didn't mention her in any reads her meta went off. What is am trying to say is there is big difference between melon before I highlighted rayan ommiting her from his reads and melon after that.
So basically, melon is my primary sus.
Vote Lynch melon
